alberto.zin@poste.it a écrit :
The GUI itself was not hungry in terms of cpu load (the 46% you can see in the screenshot is just the 128 bp filters in parallel in the patch ;-)
puredata.info is too busy and doesn't respond, could you put your screenshot anywhere else?
I like toxy, but we should admit that TclTk is not the optimum; GriPd, imo, is a bit superior and more similar to a "professional" user interface (let me say like VST instruments or even Reaktor widgets)
What makes you think that GRIPD is that good? It's very limited, the (ugly) widgets provided can't be hacked to get a better looking, and I severly doubt that it's possible to make something as neat as the most basic tcl-tk widget, let's say ix:: dd for example. No, I do not admit that GRIPD is superior, I think it's inferior, pd GOP can be dynamic, GRIPD couldn't.
Of course we have examples of wonderful interfaces in plain PD (using Graph on Parent, ... ), don't you think?
Using graph-of-parent is less complicated and more efficient. With adding toxy/widget, a pd interface could even blow a professional user interface, but it requires some skills in tcl scripting, or just *sarcastic mode* brain cells for figuring out how to use tcl-tk widgets for using the work made by ix and MiXed. *end of sarcastic mode*, salutations, Patco.
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Well, the current PD Gui stuff is not adequate for pro performance situations as far as I'm concerned. Even a small number of Gui elements visible will totally destroy the audio and cause severe dropouts, in my personal experience. And from what I hear this may be true on more than one OS...
So there MUST be a better way, maybe GriPD is not it though. All I know is, I don't have these problems with Ableton and Reaktor even with tons of stuff in the GUI's... Whereas currently my approach to PD is that one should use as little GUI as possible, or it won't run.
~David
Using graph-of-parent is less complicated and more efficient. With adding toxy/widget, a pd interface could even blow a professional user interface, but it requires some skills in tcl scripting, or just *sarcastic mode* brain cells for figuring out how to use tcl-tk widgets for using the work made by ix and MiXed. *end of sarcastic mode*, salutations, Patco.
It seems like there are a couple of options for GUI interfaces other than GRiPD, and I didn't know this. Can you say more about toxy, the Graph on Parent or tcl-tk widgets made by ix and MIXed or any other technique? How can I learn more about these as related specifically to GUI interface building? More important to me than the runtime results --- are these as quick as GRiPD in building the interface? I can throw together a GUI interface in GRiPD that is presentable to users very quickly. That is extremely important to me as I am building rough prototypes which undergo rapid changes in very limited time. If these other techniques also offer those quick results, I am interested. If not...I would just as soon build my own widgets in wxPython and communicate to them w/ sockets when I am ready for more than a rough prototype. And, until then, I'll use GriPD for its speed in the development process. I'm not having any CPU load issues.
-John
Patco wrote:
alberto.zin@poste.it a écrit :
The GUI itself was not hungry in terms of cpu load (the 46% you can see in the screenshot is just the 128 bp filters in parallel in the patch ;-)
puredata.info is too busy and doesn't respond, could you put your screenshot anywhere else?
I like toxy, but we should admit that TclTk is not the optimum; GriPd, imo, is a bit superior and more similar to a "professional" user interface (let me say like VST instruments or even Reaktor widgets)
What makes you think that GRIPD is that good? It's very limited, the (ugly) widgets provided can't be hacked to get a better looking, and I severly doubt that it's possible to make something as neat as the most basic tcl-tk widget, let's say ix:: dd for example. No, I do not admit that GRIPD is superior, I think it's inferior, pd GOP can be dynamic, GRIPD couldn't.
Of course we have examples of wonderful interfaces in plain PD (using Graph on Parent, ... ), don't you think?
Using graph-of-parent is less complicated and more efficient. With adding toxy/widget, a pd interface could even blow a professional user interface, but it requires some skills in tcl scripting, or just *sarcastic mode* brain cells for figuring out how to use tcl-tk widgets for using the work made by ix and MiXed. *end of sarcastic mode*, salutations, Patco.
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