Hi Stefan. I think your message was intended for the list, so I cc them my response.
first of all keep in mind that those are test releases, and in my case quite experimental.
I don't know if the console problem is solved already, but as the last modification has no console, I can't report any error messages.
with the latest version you can use the system console (/Applications/Console.app). If you miss the [print] messages then download it again, thie first one I uploaded had a problem with this
I was running Gerards version of 0.37.4 which tells me that Tcl & Tk 8.4.7 are running. As I remember, Hans-Christophs version, which I tried before, showed me 8.4.6. Does this mean the distribution is loading its own Tcl & Tk version and the version 5 I downloaded before is obsolete?
yes, with this version you don't need to worry about tcl / tk or the wish shell anymore (well hopefully), everything goes bundled
... gerard
El 26/08/2004, a las 10:22, Stefan Tiedje escribió:
Hi Gerard and Hans-Christoph,
Thank you so much for creating these distributions. It is the first time I could easily get PD running on my Powerbook. As I do use Max for years, I was not too much motivated before, to get it running, it probably would have been possible earlier as well ;-)
The first glance is impressive! I am sure I'll encourage a lot of my students to go for PD, though Max is much more easy to deal with, but especially student are short of money.
But of course, I ran into some problems. I don't know if the console problem is solved already, but as the last modification has no console, I can't report any error messages.
I tried to load from Frank Barknechts poolexample the 'tester.pd': nothing happened... after that, even loading my working test patches did not load. This behaviour remained, even after restarting PD. I had to restart OS X (10.3.5) to get it loading patches again. A new attempt to start that tester.pd killed PD (no crashlog, PD just disapeared), a restart of PD was fine this time.
I was running Gerards version of 0.37.4 which tells me that Tcl & Tk 8.4.7 are running. As I remember, Hans-Christophs version, which I tried before, showed me 8.4.6. Does this mean the distribution is loading its own Tcl & Tk version and the version 5 I downloaded before is obsolete? I don't get yet how these four programs (PD, Tcl/Tk, Wish, Terminal) are dependent and how they communicate and call each other. Especially I'd like to know how I can find out from an OS X point of view if and where things are installed (this is also a problem for me with MySQL I'd like to get hands on for quite a while without success). If everything needed is PD centric in its bundle, this is fine for me, then I don't have to deal with it at all. But I just don't know if this is the case.
Again thanks a lot for getting me going. I'll pull out some PD-Max compatibility abhaXions as my contribution for the community as soon I find some time for it.
Stefan
0001 wrote:
hi, I've put a modified version of the test MacOSX application package here:
http://pure-data.info/Members/gerard/pd-0.37.4.dmg
changes:
- moved to the WishKit app package (distributed with tcl / tk BI)
- added -nowish flag to pd
- modified AppMain.tcl and pd.tk to launch pd -nowish and load pdtcl
in the new structure, also completed drag+drop support ;)
- recompiled pdtcl to link with embeded frameworks. For some reason
@executable_path/../Frameworks seems to resolve to inside the Resuorces folder of the package, so I've copied the Frameworks folder there as well as a hackaround.
- added some experimental documentation menu patches.
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Hi Gerard,
0001 wrote:
Hi Stefan. I think your message was intended for the list, so I cc them my response.
Absolutely right, as this did not happen the first time... Is there a way to setup the list with a 'reply-to:pd-list@iem.at' in the header? Any other list I'm subscribed to would automatically reply to the list and not to the author.
first of all keep in mind that those are test releases, and in my case quite experimental.
If the experimental version works and the offical doesn't, its still the more stable one for me. As I just dive in, I'm happy to wait for some wonderfull features I'm not missing yet ;-)
with the latest version you can use the system console (/Applications/Console.app). If you miss the [print] messages then download it again, thie first one I uploaded had a problem with this
Yes that works fine now, thanks
yes, with this version you don't need to worry about tcl / tk or the wish shell anymore (well hopefully), everything goes bundled
Other questions: With Max there is a search path for externals or abstractions. Does Pd has the same concept, or simply, where do I have to put 3rd party externals or my own subpatchers in a way that Pd will find them.
I know PD is a Jack aware application, what do I have to do that Pd recognizes the Jack server? At the moment I get only an error message, cannot connect....
To test it again, I just quit Pd, started Jack, started Pd and when wanting to acces the Media menu, no menu appeared. I wanted to quit Pd, but it would not quit. I forced quit again, but the same behaviour. Pd also does not load any files anymore. (choosing with open a file would do nothing but closing the file selector window) Must be some bug. I guess I have to restart OS X again.
Stefan
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Absolutely right, as this did not happen the first time... Is there a way to setup the list with a 'reply-to:pd-list@iem.at' in the header? Any other list I'm subscribed to would automatically reply to the list and not to the author.
in this one people uses reply-to-all
With Max there is a search path for externals or abstractions. Does Pd has the same concept, or simply, where do I have to put 3rd party externals or my own subpatchers in a way that Pd will find them.
you can use a -path flag in your .pdrc file, I supose it's in the manual.
I know PD is a Jack aware application, what do I have to do that Pd recognizes the Jack server? At the moment I get only an error message, cannot connect....
there 's no jackosx support at the moment
. g
Hallo, Stefan Tiedje hat gesagt: // Stefan Tiedje wrote:
Absolutely right, as this did not happen the first time... Is there a way to setup the list with a 'reply-to:pd-list@iem.at' in the header? Any other list I'm subscribed to would automatically reply to the list and not to the author.
This is not done to avoid embarrasing moments, if a private mail containing rude words unintentionally gets to the list of the intended recipient only.
Other questions: With Max there is a search path for externals or abstractions. Does Pd has the same concept, or simply, where do I have to put 3rd party externals or my own subpatchers in a way that Pd will find them.
Pd has a search path, too. You can see and edit it using "File->Path" and you can also change it using the commandline option "-path /some/path:/another/path" or put this in the file "~/.pdrc", which should work on OS-X, too, AFAIK.
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
0001 wrote:
with the latest version you can use the system console (/Applications/Console.app). If you miss the [print] messages then download it again, thie first one I uploaded had a problem with this
Is the complete cyclone library part of the distribution? I get lots of ... couldn't create ... errors when loading 'all about cyclone from the documentation' after that Pd seemed instable and quit itself.
Stefan
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Is the complete cyclone library part of the distribution? I get lots of ... couldn't create ... errors when loading 'all about cyclone from the documentation' after that Pd seemed instable and quit itself.
I'd say cyclone is included, the problems you mention seem to be related to pddp using some other libraries and that documentation style, which is an experiment. particularly the 5.reference patch is too heavy and can crash the program easily ...
. g
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