Hi list,Does anyone use the Window menu? I've never used it or its keybindings. If no one else needs it I'm going to remove it in the GUI port.
-Jonathan
On 2015-11-10 03:01, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote:
Does anyone use the Window menu?
yes, sometimes i use "Pd window" and "parent window". i've never used next/previous.
I've never used it or its keybindings.
i never used the keybindings either.
fgmasdr IOhannes
hey everybody - i may be off base here but just wondering if removing key bindings would mean having to use the mouse more for various actions inside PD besides the ones already mapped? i haven't used the Window menu but i'd certainly like to have as much under keyboard control as possible when working in PD.
if this is about an entirely different thing than i'm thinking, please disregard.
best, scott
On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 12:16 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoelnig@iem.at wrote:
On 2015-11-10 03:01, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote:
Does anyone use the Window menu?
yes, sometimes i use "Pd window" and "parent window". i've never used next/previous.
I've never used it or its keybindings.
i never used the keybindings either.
fgmasdr IOhannes
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A Window menu is a very common pattern for apps. For example, in OSX Mail where I'm typing this email it has a Window menu with Minimize, Zoom, etc.
There are many things in apps that are just standard and should be left that way. With Pd, you need to consider lots of platforms: GNOME, KDE, XFCE, Windows, OSX, etc.
.hc
On Nov 10, 2015, at 3:01 AM, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote:
Hi list, Does anyone use the Window menu?
I've never used it or its keybindings. If no one else needs it I'm going to remove it in the GUI port.
-Jonathan
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On Tue, 2015-11-10 at 02:01 +0000, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote:
Hi list, Does anyone use the Window menu?
I do use it regularly, often to get the parent window after doing 'find last error' which pops up the canvas causing the error. I also find cycling through Pd windows with Ctrl-PageUp / Ctrl-PageDown while leaving out other windows quite useful. The common Alt-Tab cycles through all windows which is not always convenient.
Roman
I also use it all the time for the same reason Roman does. Also the (on OSX) command-R to bring up the Pd window is essential.
On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 4:57 AM, Roman Haefeli reduzent@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 2015-11-10 at 02:01 +0000, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote:
Hi list, Does anyone use the Window menu?
I do use it regularly, often to get the parent window after doing 'find last error' which pops up the canvas causing the error. I also find cycling through Pd windows with Ctrl-PageUp / Ctrl-PageDown while leaving out other windows quite useful. The common Alt-Tab cycles through all windows which is not always convenient.
Roman
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Yeah, I had a feeling people would want it. I just wanted to experience what it's like to do the opposite of Gnome 3-- that is, take a feature that I have no interest in and port it anyway because people who use it want it. -Jonathan
On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 11:14 AM, Matt Barber <brbrofsvl@gmail.com> wrote:
I also use it all the time for the same reason Roman does. Also the (on OSX) command-R to bring up the Pd window is essential. On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 4:57 AM, Roman Haefeli reduzent@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 2015-11-10 at 02:01 +0000, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote:
Hi list, Does anyone use the Window menu?
I do use it regularly, often to get the parent window after doing 'find last error' which pops up the canvas causing the error. I also find cycling through Pd windows with Ctrl-PageUp / Ctrl-PageDown while leaving out other windows quite useful. The common Alt-Tab cycles through all windows which is not always convenient.
Roman
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Funny you should mention that , blind people really need it. I just added a feature to open scala .scl files from the terminal with pdsend. I ran into a problem when routing a symbol to makefilename to prepend the path and append the .scl extension. No matter if I removed every [symbol $1( message that the filename went through after routing , the string was dropped. Same for if I used a [symbol $1( message between every place the string went through. The fix was to use a [symbol ] box. I wonder why that is so?
On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list < pd-list@lists.iem.at> wrote:
Yeah, I had a feeling people would want it. I just wanted to experience what it's like to do the opposite of Gnome 3-- that is, take a feature that I have no interest in and port it anyway because people who use it want it.
-Jonathan
On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 11:14 AM, Matt Barber brbrofsvl@gmail.com wrote:
I also use it all the time for the same reason Roman does. Also the (on OSX) command-R to bring up the Pd window is essential.
On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 4:57 AM, Roman Haefeli reduzent@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 2015-11-10 at 02:01 +0000, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote:
Hi list, Does anyone use the Window menu?
I do use it regularly, often to get the parent window after doing 'find last error' which pops up the canvas causing the error. I also find cycling through Pd windows with Ctrl-PageUp / Ctrl-PageDown while leaving out other windows quite useful. The common Alt-Tab cycles through all windows which is not always convenient.
Roman
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Hi Billy,Are you saying blind people need the functionality in the window menu? -Jonathan
On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 4:39 PM, Billy Stiltner <billy.stiltner@gmail.com> wrote:
Funny you should mention that , blind people really need it. I just added a feature to open scala .scl files from the terminal with pdsend. I ran into a problem when routing a symbol to makefilename to prepend the path and append the .scl extension. No matter if I removed every [symbol $1( message that the filename went through after routing , the string was dropped. Same for if I used a [symbol $1( message between every place the string went through. The fix was to use a [symbol ] box. I wonder why that is so?
On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list pd-list@lists.iem.at wrote:
Yeah, I had a feeling people would want it. I just wanted to experience what it's like to do the opposite of Gnome 3-- that is, take a feature that I have no interest in and port it anyway because people who use it want it. -Jonathan
On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 11:14 AM, Matt Barber <brbrofsvl@gmail.com> wrote:
I also use it all the time for the same reason Roman does. Also the (on OSX) command-R to bring up the Pd window is essential. On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 4:57 AM, Roman Haefeli reduzent@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 2015-11-10 at 02:01 +0000, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote:
Hi list, Does anyone use the Window menu?
I do use it regularly, often to get the parent window after doing 'find last error' which pops up the canvas causing the error. I also find cycling through Pd windows with Ctrl-PageUp / Ctrl-PageDown while leaving out other windows quite useful. The common Alt-Tab cycles through all windows which is not always convenient.
Roman
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probably that and and a lot of other keybidings that havent been created yet. Is there a way to switch through the control objects with the keyboard?
On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancsika@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi Billy, Are you saying blind people need the functionality in the window menu?
-Jonathan
On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 4:39 PM, Billy Stiltner < billy.stiltner@gmail.com> wrote:
Funny you should mention that , blind people really need it. I just added a feature to open scala .scl files from the terminal with pdsend. I ran into a problem when routing a symbol to makefilename to prepend the path and append the .scl extension. No matter if I removed every [symbol $1( message that the filename went through after routing , the string was dropped. Same for if I used a [symbol $1( message between every place the string went through. The fix was to use a [symbol ] box. I wonder why that is so?
On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list < pd-list@lists.iem.at> wrote:
Yeah, I had a feeling people would want it. I just wanted to experience what it's like to do the opposite of Gnome 3-- that is, take a feature that I have no interest in and port it anyway because people who use it want it.
-Jonathan
On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 11:14 AM, Matt Barber brbrofsvl@gmail.com wrote:
I also use it all the time for the same reason Roman does. Also the (on OSX) command-R to bring up the Pd window is essential.
On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 4:57 AM, Roman Haefeli reduzent@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 2015-11-10 at 02:01 +0000, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote:
Hi list, Does anyone use the Window menu?
I do use it regularly, often to get the parent window after doing 'find last error' which pops up the canvas causing the error. I also find cycling through Pd windows with Ctrl-PageUp / Ctrl-PageDown while leaving out other windows quite useful. The common Alt-Tab cycles through all windows which is not always convenient.
Roman
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Ok, I'll leave it in. @scott: technically it's on topic: finding a nested subcanvas can cause Pd to create a window for a subcanvas that isn't currently displayed. That's something you can't do with window manager keyboard shortcuts. The only problem is that you can't open children solely using the keyboard, so I guess that functionality needs to be added. @hans: I already have zoom functionality/shortcuts. But I don't see any point in adding an in-app minimize menu item. Thanks,Jonathan
On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 4:59 AM, Roman Haefeli reduzent@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 2015-11-10 at 02:01 +0000, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote:
Hi list, Does anyone use the Window menu?
I do use it regularly, often to get the parent window after doing 'find last error' which pops up the canvas causing the error. I also find cycling through Pd windows with Ctrl-PageUp / Ctrl-PageDown while leaving out other windows quite useful. The common Alt-Tab cycles through all windows which is not always convenient.
Roman
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