hi, i need to burn a complete linuxsystem + pd on a cd-rom to make pd run on a computer without harddisk. someone has experience with that? how do i know which software packages are needed for pd? i learn about how to burn bootable cds, so thats not really the problem, but i wonder how many of the system software i can throw out and still bring pd to work. (including pdp). i hope this question is not to "off-topic"... marius.
I know Knoppix has a lot of audio software in it and does a good job of finding devices. I am pretty sure that someone made a pd version of it. If one doesn't already exist, I'd like to help make one. I have a fantasy of doing office-based sound installations. Stick a CD in every computer on an office floor. The CD would then automatically load a patch and starts playing...
.hc
On Saturday, Apr 5, 2003, at 06:57 America/New_York, marius schebella wrote:
hi, i need to burn a complete linuxsystem + pd on a cd-rom to make pd run on a computer without harddisk. someone has experience with that? how do i know which software packages are needed for pd? i learn about how to burn bootable cds, so thats not really the problem, but i wonder how many of the system software i can throw out and still bring pd to work. (including pdp). i hope this question is not to "off-topic"... marius.
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Hello,
On Sat, Apr 05, 2003 at 02:14:56PM -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner said:
I know Knoppix has a lot of audio software in it and does a good job of finding devices. I am pretty sure that someone made a pd version of it. If one doesn't already exist, I'd like to help make one. I have a fantasy of doing office-based sound installations. Stick a CD in every computer on an office floor. The CD would then automatically load a patch and starts playing...
Along that vein, is there a method for sending/receiving arbitrary values and/or module layout and/or audio streams, etc, via a TCP or UDP connection?
A friend and I have a dream; we live a thousand kilometres apart, but would love to be able to collaborate in real time on a music work. PD seems perfect for our needs (different operating systems, for a start).
I don't imagine it would be particularly complicated to write a method to do such a thing - and so has it been done? Perhaps making use of graphics net-render features?
Nick
You should check out the mp3live~ external (http://ydegoyon.free.fr/) and also the built in objects netsend and netreceive objects. I hope these are useful for what you want to do.
-Jordan
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Hello,
On Sat, Apr 05, 2003 at 02:14:56PM -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner said:
I know Knoppix has a lot of audio software in it and does a good job of finding devices. I am pretty sure that someone made a pd version of it. If one doesn't already exist, I'd like to help make one. I have a fantasy of doing office-based sound installations. Stick a CD in every computer on an office floor. The CD would then automatically load a patch and starts playing...
Along that vein, is there a method for sending/receiving arbitrary values and/or module layout and/or audio streams, etc, via a TCP or UDP connection?
A friend and I have a dream; we live a thousand kilometres apart, but would love to be able to collaborate in real time on a music work. PD seems perfect for our needs (different operating systems, for a start).
I don't imagine it would be particularly complicated to write a method to do such a thing - and so has it been done? Perhaps making use of graphics net-render features?
Nick
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On Sun, 6 Apr 2003, Nick Morrison wrote:
Along that vein, is there a method for sending/receiving arbitrary values and/or module layout and/or audio streams, etc, via a TCP or UDP connection?
A friend and I have a dream; we live a thousand kilometres apart, but would love to be able to collaborate in real time on a music work. PD seems perfect for our needs (different operating systems, for a start).
You're only really going to get acceptable latency if you stick to using messages. There is a lot of latency to streaming audio on the web. Some research projects at universities have managed to get audio streaming at close to realtime, but that was using Internet2, which is a restricted access high-speed network.
But on the other hand its pretty easy to make a Pd patch that interacts over a network. You might even be able to get decent latency. [netsend] and [netreceive] are built-in, but [netserver] and [netclient] in Olaf Matthes' maxlib are much easier to use.
.hc
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Hi,
Playing music over the Internet from different locations but at the same time, has always been a dream and all the attempts so far have all encountered the same problems due to latency that has always been considered as drawbacks of today technology rather than tools to incorporate into music composition.
I am using pd at the moment to construct an application that allows three musicians (or group of) to play together from different locations (New York, Biarritz in France and London). I use the Olaf' s shout*~ and Ogg*~ objects and have a system that records audio on a tempo, sends it through a shoutcast/icecast server and re-synchronizes it on the computer of the listener. Latency,here is used in two ways and makes essential part of the composition:
- the audio is buffered and snapped to the tempo (on a crotchet or
division of it) according to the will of the players.
- the audio is buffered during n bars, the way players can change notes
and compose unique piece depending on their location. It is very experimental but I think it brings new ways of thinking and tackling the musical composition. It is still at its experimental phase but I am constantly working on it.
note: The official gig online will be presented the 3.4.5.6 of July at Common Wealth Conference Center in London, Festival of Electronic Music in Vera (Basque Country) and at The University of Digital Arts in New York. The three different streams will also be available to stream.
On Friday, April 18, 2003, at 03:12 am, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Along that vein, is there a method for sending/receiving arbitrary values and/or module layout and/or audio streams, etc, via a TCP or UDP connection?
A friend and I have a dream; we live a thousand kilometres apart, but would love to be able to collaborate in real time on a music work. PD seems perfect for our needs (different operating systems, for a start).
You're only really going to get acceptable latency if you stick to using messages. There is a lot of latency to streaming audio on the web.
Some research projects at universities have managed to get audio streaming at close to realtime, but that was using Internet2, which is a restricted access high-speed network.But on the other hand its pretty easy to make a Pd patch that interacts over a network. You might even be able to get decent latency.
[netsend] and [netreceive] are built-in, but [netserver] and [netclient] in Olaf Matthes' maxlib are much easier to use.
have a look at "streaps" from Oliver Thuns, a pd application that maybe do the job for you ...
http://radiostudio.org/streaps/software.php
it is be done by pdogg too ...
radiostudio.org is based in bauhaus weimar, and has a open icecast server for streaming too ...
Alex wrote:
Hi,
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note: The official gig online will be presented the 3.4.5.6 of July at Common Wealth Conference Center in London, Festival of Electronic Music in Vera (Basque Country) and at The University of Digital Arts in New York. The three different streams will also be available to stream.
[snipped something]
... if i get a good connection i want to listen, or to be part of it ...
love + beeps kiilo
Another solution is todo it the hard way , ala Diskless-HOWTO, install a minimal system on a 640 MB partition, and minimize it.
The knoppix team is trying to provide a costumized live CD builder, if they are finished with that, it is probably the easiest way to go. (check out the knoppix mailing lists, etc)
Greetings,
Guenter
On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
I know Knoppix has a lot of audio software in it and does a good job of finding devices. I am pretty sure that someone made a pd version of it. If one doesn't already exist, I'd like to help make one. I have a fantasy of doing office-based sound installations. Stick a CD in every computer on an office floor. The CD would then automatically load a patch and starts playing...
.hc
On Saturday, Apr 5, 2003, at 06:57 America/New_York, marius schebella wrote:
hi, i need to burn a complete linuxsystem + pd on a cd-rom to make pd run on a computer without harddisk. someone has experience with that? how do i know which software packages are needed for pd? i learn about how to burn bootable cds, so thats not really the problem, but i wonder how many of the system software i can throw out and still bring pd to work. (including pdp). i hope this question is not to "off-topic"... marius.
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Another solution is todo it the hard way , ala Diskless-HOWTO, install a minimal system on a 640 MB partition, and minimize it.
The knoppix team is trying to provide a costumized live CD builder, if they are finished with that, it is probably the easiest way to go. (check out the knoppix mailing lists, etc)
Greetings,
Guenter
that's what i am trying to do. i really want to have a minimum system of linux, because in my pd-patch i have some big soundfiles, which also have to fit on the cd... so the small size is one problem, the other problem is, that the system is has to boot from alone. just power on and play (no keyboard, monitor...) and i have not the possibilities to work on the computer, so after the computer is out, i will not be able to access it any more (for changes/updates in the patch i will burn a new cd and send it to the user...) i found a tutorial/howto for diskless systems, but things are always slightly different and so i ran into some problems. i hope to figure it out today. do you think knoppix can do that? what about "mklive-cd" which i heard about in the debian distribution? (i am using suse) marius.
Hallo, marius schebella hat gesagt: // marius schebella wrote:
that's what i am trying to do. i really want to have a minimum system of linux, because in my pd-patch i have some big soundfiles, which also have to fit on the cd...
Maybe Morphix is an alternative? http://morphix.sourceforge.net/modules/news/
It's based on Knoppix, but seems a bit farther along in modularity. There also are build-scripts available.
ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
do you think knoppix can do that? what about "mklive-cd" which i heard about in the debian distribution? (i am using suse) marius.
definitly knoppix is a possible way to go.
I did something like a pd knoppix some time ago. maybe you can make some use of it. it can be found at: http://stream.sil.at/pdknoppix/
since this is more or less a dirty and quick remaster, I think of doing an update in near future.. maybe one could share some work here....
m.
hi,
dynebolic comes with pd included - have a look at
.... and for a list of included software
martin
On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
I know Knoppix has a lot of audio software in it and does a good job of finding devices. I am pretty sure that someone made a pd version of it. If one doesn't already exist, I'd like to help make one. I have a fantasy of doing office-based sound installations. Stick a CD in every computer on an office floor. The CD would then automatically load a patch and starts playing...
.hc
On Saturday, Apr 5, 2003, at 06:57 America/New_York, marius schebella wrote:
hi, i need to burn a complete linuxsystem + pd on a cd-rom to make pd run on a computer without harddisk. someone has experience with that? how do i know which software packages are needed for pd? i learn about how to burn bootable cds, so thats not really the problem, but i wonder how many of the system software i can throw out and still bring pd to work. (including pdp). i hope this question is not to "off-topic"... marius.
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