Hello everyone!
There was a discussion not too long ago about suitability of Pd in a live context (off the "smoother audio" thread i think). I just wanted to say that i use Pd everytime i play a gig with my band as a super multi effects. I have never experienced any crash in Pd, and the sound is just excellent, and everybody keeps asking me what the hell are these pedals and this software and how the eff do i make all these sounds, and well, i just think this is the future. I m just hoping that sometime soon we'll have a piece of hardware that's small and powerful enough to run Pd in realtime and I'll have the perfect gear (perfect for me). Just wanted to share this.
Cheers!
Pierre
I m just hoping that sometime soon we'll have a piece of hardware >that's
small and powerful enough to run Pd in realtime and I'll have >the perfect gear (perfect for me).
http://www.bluemelon.org/index.php/Products/BM7505_BluePD_programmable_Pure_...
Never tried it though... seems interesting.
On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone!
There was a discussion not too long ago about suitability of Pd in a live context (off the "smoother audio" thread i think). I just wanted to say that i use Pd everytime i play a gig with my band as a super multi effects. I have never experienced any crash in Pd, and the sound is just excellent, and everybody keeps asking me what the hell are these pedals and this software and how the eff do i make all these sounds, and well, i just think this is the future. I m just hoping that sometime soon we'll have a piece of hardware that's small and powerful enough to run Pd in realtime and I'll have the perfect gear (perfect for me). Just wanted to share this.
Cheers!
Pierre
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On Sun, 2 May 2010, Pedro Lopes wrote:
I m just hoping that sometime soon we'll have a piece of hardware >that's small and powerful enough to run Pd in realtime and I'll have >the perfect
gear (perfect for me). http://www.bluemelon.org/index.php/Products/BM7505_BluePD_programmable_Pure_... Never tried it though... seems interesting.
See also homemade http://www.workinprogress.ca/biscuit-box-computer/ by Patrick S Coulombe.
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that sounds like an amazing piece of kit
From: pedro.lopes@ist.utl.pt Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 17:21:15 +0100 To: pimassat@gmail.com CC: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Gigs with Pd
I m just hoping that sometime soon we'll have a piece of hardware that's small and powerful enough to run Pd in realtime and I'll have the perfect gear (perfect for me).
http://www.bluemelon.org/index.php/Products/BM7505_BluePD_programmable_Pure_...
Never tried it though... seems interesting.
On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone!
There was a discussion not too long ago about suitability of Pd in a live context (off the "smoother audio" thread i think). I just wanted to say that i use Pd everytime i play a gig with my band as a super multi effects. I have never experienced any crash in Pd, and the sound is just excellent, and everybody keeps asking me what the hell are these pedals and this software and how the eff do i make all these sounds, and well, i just think this is the future. I m just hoping that sometime soon we'll have a piece of hardware that's small and powerful enough to run Pd in realtime and I'll have the perfect gear (perfect for me).
Just wanted to share this.
Cheers!
Pierre
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I like the biscuit box. The thing is that we need enough USB and/or firewire ports for the device to be usable. I need at least two USB ports plus a mouse to control my patches. that's why i can't use a smartphone, for instance. Assuming that the device would be powerful enough, it'd be pointless to use it if i can't plug in my soundcard and my controller.
@ Alexandre: I don't think there is anything very interesting to share in my patch, as i stole most of it from the work of people here and there. I have a simple synthesizer (using sigmund to get the pitch), a pitchshifter (thank you, Miller Puckette!), an auto arpeggiator (using sigmund again, i capture the different notes i want to have in the chord one by one, and they are played back randomly by a set of tabread~), and a digital reverb (based on freeverb). So there is nothing very interesting at all, i m afraid. Maybe this: i have recently found out that a frequency shifter could make a surprisingly good phaser effect for a guitar. It's the closest i've come so far to the old Univibe pedal that Hendrix used on songs like Machine Gun or Hey Baby. It's quite different from the sound of an Electro Harmonix Small Stone and its clones. It's very wet and shiny. Simply beautiful. It also works very well on analog synth sounds (the univibe was originally created to simulate a Leslie cabinet). But then again, i also stole the frequency shifter from the DIY2 package (was it made by Hardoff?). So i'm not doing anything really amazing for the viewpoint of a resonably proficient Pd user. The point of this post was just to say (if needed) that Pd "sounds good" and that it is definitely stable enough to use it live during an entire gig (provided that your patches are written well enough...).
I quite obviously use the hid object to command my patch with my home-made foot controller.
Pierre 2010/5/3 Andrew Faraday jbturgid@hotmail.com
that sounds like an amazing piece of kit
From: pedro.lopes@ist.utl.pt
Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 17:21:15 +0100 To: pimassat@gmail.com CC: pd-list@iem.at
Subject: Re: [PD] Gigs with Pd
I m just hoping that sometime soon we'll have a piece of hardware >that's
small and powerful enough to run Pd in realtime and I'll have >the perfect gear (perfect for me).
http://www.bluemelon.org/index.php/Products/BM7505_BluePD_programmable_Pure_...
Never tried it though... seems interesting.
On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone!
There was a discussion not too long ago about suitability of Pd in a live context (off the "smoother audio" thread i think). I just wanted to say that i use Pd everytime i play a gig with my band as a super multi effects. I have never experienced any crash in Pd, and the sound is just excellent, and everybody keeps asking me what the hell are these pedals and this software and how the eff do i make all these sounds, and well, i just think this is the future. I m just hoping that sometime soon we'll have a piece of hardware that's small and powerful enough to run Pd in realtime and I'll have the perfect gear (perfect for me). Just wanted to share this.
Cheers!
Pierre
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On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Pedro Lopes pedro.lopes@ist.utl.pt wrote:
I m just hoping that sometime soon we'll have a piece of hardware >that's
small and powerful enough to run Pd in realtime and I'll have >the perfect gear (perfect for me).
http://www.bluemelon.org/index.php/Products/BM7505_BluePD_programmable_Pure_...
Never tried it though... seems interesting.
We tried to buy one last year but they apparently stopped making those boxes.
From the front page:
- Dear customers and visitors, *
*We regret to announce that Blue Melon will no longer sell its BlueSense line of products.
jm
On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone!
There was a discussion not too long ago about suitability of Pd in a live context (off the "smoother audio" thread i think). I just wanted to say that i use Pd everytime i play a gig with my band as a super multi effects. I have never experienced any crash in Pd, and the sound is just excellent, and everybody keeps asking me what the hell are these pedals and this software and how the eff do i make all these sounds, and well, i just think this is the future. I m just hoping that sometime soon we'll have a piece of hardware that's small and powerful enough to run Pd in realtime and I'll have the perfect gear (perfect for me). Just wanted to share this.
Cheers!
Pierre
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It would be great to see some documentation of this setup so that
others can learn from it. You might be interested in Pd on Android,
iPhone, Maemo, etc. and other mobile devices. Mobile devices are
getting quite powerful, and they are already small. Then you'd even
have a battery powered setup ;)
.hc
On May 2, 2010, at 8:37 AM, Pierre Massat wrote:
Hello everyone!
There was a discussion not too long ago about suitability of Pd in a
live context (off the "smoother audio" thread i think). I just
wanted to say that i use Pd everytime i play a gig with my band as a
super multi effects. I have never experienced any crash in Pd, and
the sound is just excellent, and everybody keeps asking me what the
hell are these pedals and this software and how the eff do i make
all these sounds, and well, i just think this is the future. I m
just hoping that sometime soon we'll have a piece of hardware that's
small and powerful enough to run Pd in realtime and I'll have the
perfect gear (perfect for me). Just wanted to share this.Cheers!
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I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my
telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out
how to use my telephone." --Bjarne Stroustrup (creator of C++)
What kind of documentation would you like? I can tell you about the hardware:
- Dell D520 Laptop with Intel Core2 Duo, with Fedora 12 and the Planet CCRMA
rt kernel.
- EMU 0404 USB soundcard (2 ins 2 outs)
- A small Shure transformer to turn the balanced output of the soundcard
into an unbalanced input for the amp.
- Foot controller made off the cheapest USB analog gamepad one can find (I'd
recommend going for a higher quality, though...)
I could send you some pictures of the controller, too. As i said before i doubt that my patch is written well enough for it to be worth sharing. Yet i'll always be there to help if someone wants to make his own.
Pierre
2010/5/7 Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at
It would be great to see some documentation of this setup so that others can learn from it. You might be interested in Pd on Android, iPhone, Maemo, etc. and other mobile devices. Mobile devices are getting quite powerful, and they are already small. Then you'd even have a battery powered setup ;)
.hc
On May 2, 2010, at 8:37 AM, Pierre Massat wrote:
Hello everyone!
There was a discussion not too long ago about suitability of Pd in a live context (off the "smoother audio" thread i think). I just wanted to say that i use Pd everytime i play a gig with my band as a super multi effects. I have never experienced any crash in Pd, and the sound is just excellent, and everybody keeps asking me what the hell are these pedals and this software and how the eff do i make all these sounds, and well, i just think this is the future. I m just hoping that sometime soon we'll have a piece of hardware that's small and powerful enough to run Pd in realtime and I'll have the perfect gear (perfect for me). Just wanted to share this.
Cheers!
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Hello list,
Well i do have in mind some ideas i want to implement with pd/hardware, one of them is using a single board computer to run pd without GUI, just using some little lcd screen. Maybe using a beagle board, that features a ARM Cortex A8 that has some floating point support, with the NEON instruction SET(I will need to recompile Pd for that).
Other than that i can also post the Hardware/Setup i used on some performances.
The hardware list is : Computer - Dell Studio 1737 Audio Interface - Edirol FA-101 MIDI Foot controller - Behringer FCB1010 Bassoon bocal pickup a wireless send/receive from Sennheiser and sometimes I use external sensors, like the wiimote, or some others connected to an Arduino board.
Software side is:
OS: UbuntuStudio, Driver/sound server: Jack/FFADO and of course, Pd
I have a video of one of the performances, it was my first public performance using RT effects and using Pd, It is not very good, but I am looking forward to improve it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNsOtl8ia0k
2010/5/7 Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com
What kind of documentation would you like? I can tell you about the hardware:
- Dell D520 Laptop with Intel Core2 Duo, with Fedora 12 and the Planet
CCRMA rt kernel.
- EMU 0404 USB soundcard (2 ins 2 outs)
- A small Shure transformer to turn the balanced output of the soundcard
into an unbalanced input for the amp.
- Foot controller made off the cheapest USB analog gamepad one can find
(I'd recommend going for a higher quality, though...)
I could send you some pictures of the controller, too. As i said before i doubt that my patch is written well enough for it to be worth sharing. Yet i'll always be there to help if someone wants to make his own.
Pierre
2010/5/7 Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at
It would be great to see some documentation of this setup so that others can learn from it. You might be interested in Pd on Android, iPhone, Maemo, etc. and other mobile devices. Mobile devices are getting quite powerful, and they are already small. Then you'd even have a battery powered setup ;)
.hc
On May 2, 2010, at 8:37 AM, Pierre Massat wrote:
Hello everyone!
There was a discussion not too long ago about suitability of Pd in a live context (off the "smoother audio" thread i think). I just wanted to say that i use Pd everytime i play a gig with my band as a super multi effects. I have never experienced any crash in Pd, and the sound is just excellent, and everybody keeps asking me what the hell are these pedals and this software and how the eff do i make all these sounds, and well, i just think this is the future. I m just hoping that sometime soon we'll have a piece of hardware that's small and powerful enough to run Pd in realtime and I'll have the perfect gear (perfect for me). Just wanted to share this.
Cheers!
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I will be working on a gumstix or beagleboard setup on the fall for robotcowboy and should have my embedded pd scripting/software environment and software available for download. I've found a number of guides on running Ubuntu on both of these platforms and would appreciate any info you have on compiling pd, etc.
On May 7, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Ricardo Lameiro wrote:
Hello list,
Well i do have in mind some ideas i want to implement with pd/hardware, one of them is using a single board computer to run pd without GUI, just using some little lcd screen. Maybe using a beagle board, that features a ARM Cortex A8 that has some floating point support, with the NEON instruction SET(I will need to recompile Pd for that).
Other than that i can also post the Hardware/Setup i used on some performances.
The hardware list is : Computer - Dell Studio 1737 Audio Interface - Edirol FA-101 MIDI Foot controller - Behringer FCB1010 Bassoon bocal pickup a wireless send/receive from Sennheiser and sometimes I use external sensors, like the wiimote, or some others connected to an Arduino board.
Software side is:
OS: UbuntuStudio, Driver/sound server: Jack/FFADO and of course, Pd
I have a video of one of the performances, it was my first public performance using RT effects and using Pd, It is not very good, but I am looking forward to improve it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNsOtl8ia0k
2010/5/7 Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com What kind of documentation would you like? I can tell you about the hardware:
- Dell D520 Laptop with Intel Core2 Duo, with Fedora 12 and the Planet CCRMA rt kernel.
- EMU 0404 USB soundcard (2 ins 2 outs)
- A small Shure transformer to turn the balanced output of the soundcard into an unbalanced input for the amp.
- Foot controller made off the cheapest USB analog gamepad one can find (I'd recommend going for a higher quality, though...)
I could send you some pictures of the controller, too. As i said before i doubt that my patch is written well enough for it to be worth sharing. Yet i'll always be there to help if someone wants to make his own.
Pierre
2010/5/7 Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at
It would be great to see some documentation of this setup so that others can learn from it. You might be interested in Pd on Android, iPhone, Maemo, etc. and other mobile devices. Mobile devices are getting quite powerful, and they are already small. Then you'd even have a battery powered setup ;)
.hc
On May 2, 2010, at 8:37 AM, Pierre Massat wrote:
Hello everyone!
There was a discussion not too long ago about suitability of Pd in a live context (off the "smoother audio" thread i think). I just wanted to say that i use Pd everytime i play a gig with my band as a super multi effects. I have never experienced any crash in Pd, and the sound is just excellent, and everybody keeps asking me what the hell are these pedals and this software and how the eff do i make all these sounds, and well, i just think this is the future. I m just hoping that sometime soon we'll have a piece of hardware that's small and powerful enough to run Pd in realtime and I'll have the perfect gear (perfect for me). Just wanted to share this.
Cheers!
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I would like to exclude my laptop from live performance, so to be able to upload my pd patch (or patches) to a device like the beagleboard seems perfect for my needs.
@Dan Wilcox - Where you able to build your setup? which one did you go for? how would you be using it (live processing, generation, or sampling,etc.?)
@Pierre Massat - Can you post pics or a video (with some performance maybe )of your setup?
Latency is an important issue of course so your thoughts on how to improve it would be greatly appreciated.
Jeff
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 7:33 AM, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com wrote:
I will be working on a gumstix or beagleboard setup on the fall for robotcowboy http://www.robotcowboy.com/ and should have my embedded pd scripting/software environment and software available for download. I've found a number of guides on running Ubuntu on both of these platforms and would appreciate any info you have on compiling pd, etc.
On May 7, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Ricardo Lameiro wrote:
Hello list,
Well i do have in mind some ideas i want to implement with pd/hardware, one of them is using a single board computer to run pd without GUI, just using some little lcd screen. Maybe using a beagle board, that features a ARM Cortex A8 that has some floating point support, with the NEON instruction SET(I will need to recompile Pd for that).
Other than that i can also post the Hardware/Setup i used on some performances.
The hardware list is : Computer - Dell Studio 1737 Audio Interface - Edirol FA-101 MIDI Foot controller - Behringer FCB1010 Bassoon bocal pickup a wireless send/receive from Sennheiser and sometimes I use external sensors, like the wiimote, or some others connected to an Arduino board.
Software side is:
OS: UbuntuStudio, Driver/sound server: Jack/FFADO and of course, Pd
I have a video of one of the performances, it was my first public performance using RT effects and using Pd, It is not very good, but I am looking forward to improve it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNsOtl8ia0k
2010/5/7 Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com
What kind of documentation would you like? I can tell you about the hardware:
- Dell D520 Laptop with Intel Core2 Duo, with Fedora 12 and the Planet
CCRMA rt kernel.
- EMU 0404 USB soundcard (2 ins 2 outs)
- A small Shure transformer to turn the balanced output of the soundcard
into an unbalanced input for the amp.
- Foot controller made off the cheapest USB analog gamepad one can find
(I'd recommend going for a higher quality, though...)
I could send you some pictures of the controller, too. As i said before i doubt that my patch is written well enough for it to be worth sharing. Yet i'll always be there to help if someone wants to make his own.
Pierre
2010/5/7 Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at
It would be great to see some documentation of this setup so that others can learn from it. You might be interested in Pd on Android, iPhone, Maemo, etc. and other mobile devices. Mobile devices are getting quite powerful, and they are already small. Then you'd even have a battery powered setup ;)
.hc
On May 2, 2010, at 8:37 AM, Pierre Massat wrote:
Hello everyone!
There was a discussion not too long ago about suitability of Pd in a live context (off the "smoother audio" thread i think). I just wanted to say that i use Pd everytime i play a gig with my band as a super multi effects. I have never experienced any crash in Pd, and the sound is just excellent, and everybody keeps asking me what the hell are these pedals and this software and how the eff do i make all these sounds, and well, i just think this is the future. I m just hoping that sometime soon we'll have a piece of hardware that's small and powerful enough to run Pd in realtime and I'll have the perfect gear (perfect for me). Just wanted to share this.
Cheers!
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hi,
why not using a small, but full-feature computer with an usb soundcard. cheap, fast, solid: http://www.workinprogress.ca/biscuit-box-computer/
the main advantage: intel cpu - no need to recompile everything / anything.
à + pat
hi Jeffrey,
I ll try and post some pics next week. My setup is nothing special:
- a Dell laptop (core 2 duo, 1,6 Ghz, and 0,9 GB of RAM)
- an EMU 0404 usb soundcard
- Fedora 12 with a rt kernel, JACK and Pd-extended
- an electric guitar, and some custom foot controllers based on a cheap usb
gamepad.
I get about 5ms of latency, maybe 4.5. I don't do anything too fancy in Pd, because it needs to be playable (i play in a rock band), but i can process both my guitar and my voice in real time without dropouts (and i use some rather cpu-intensive patches, based on fft analysis and stuff). The only tricky thing i was faced with when trying to put this setup together was the output impedence of my soundcard, which had to match that of my amp's input (i bought a shure impedence matching transformer and it solved the problem).
Hope it helps.
Pierre
2010/7/29 Jeffrey Concepcion jeffreyconcepcion@gmail.com
I would like to exclude my laptop from live performance, so to be able to upload my pd patch (or patches) to a device like the beagleboard seems perfect for my needs.
@Dan Wilcox - Where you able to build your setup? which one did you go for? how would you be using it (live processing, generation, or sampling,etc.?)
@Pierre Massat - Can you post pics or a video (with some performance maybe )of your setup?
Latency is an important issue of course so your thoughts on how to improve it would be greatly appreciated.
Jeff
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 7:33 AM, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com wrote:
I will be working on a gumstix or beagleboard setup on the fall for robotcowboy http://www.robotcowboy.com/ and should have my embedded pd scripting/software environment and software available for download. I've found a number of guides on running Ubuntu on both of these platforms and would appreciate any info you have on compiling pd, etc.
On May 7, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Ricardo Lameiro wrote:
Hello list,
Well i do have in mind some ideas i want to implement with pd/hardware, one of them is using a single board computer to run pd without GUI, just using some little lcd screen. Maybe using a beagle board, that features a ARM Cortex A8 that has some floating point support, with the NEON instruction SET(I will need to recompile Pd for that).
Other than that i can also post the Hardware/Setup i used on some performances.
The hardware list is : Computer - Dell Studio 1737 Audio Interface - Edirol FA-101 MIDI Foot controller - Behringer FCB1010 Bassoon bocal pickup a wireless send/receive from Sennheiser and sometimes I use external sensors, like the wiimote, or some others connected to an Arduino board.
Software side is:
OS: UbuntuStudio, Driver/sound server: Jack/FFADO and of course, Pd
I have a video of one of the performances, it was my first public performance using RT effects and using Pd, It is not very good, but I am looking forward to improve it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNsOtl8ia0k
2010/5/7 Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com
What kind of documentation would you like? I can tell you about the hardware:
- Dell D520 Laptop with Intel Core2 Duo, with Fedora 12 and the Planet
CCRMA rt kernel.
- EMU 0404 USB soundcard (2 ins 2 outs)
- A small Shure transformer to turn the balanced output of the soundcard
into an unbalanced input for the amp.
- Foot controller made off the cheapest USB analog gamepad one can find
(I'd recommend going for a higher quality, though...)
I could send you some pictures of the controller, too. As i said before i doubt that my patch is written well enough for it to be worth sharing. Yet i'll always be there to help if someone wants to make his own.
Pierre
2010/5/7 Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at
It would be great to see some documentation of this setup so that others can learn from it. You might be interested in Pd on Android, iPhone, Maemo, etc. and other mobile devices. Mobile devices are getting quite powerful, and they are already small. Then you'd even have a battery powered setup ;)
.hc
On May 2, 2010, at 8:37 AM, Pierre Massat wrote:
Hello everyone!
There was a discussion not too long ago about suitability of Pd in a live context (off the "smoother audio" thread i think). I just wanted to say that i use Pd everytime i play a gig with my band as a super multi effects. I have never experienced any crash in Pd, and the sound is just excellent, and everybody keeps asking me what the hell are these pedals and this software and how the eff do i make all these sounds, and well, i just think this is the future. I m just hoping that sometime soon we'll have a piece of hardware that's small and powerful enough to run Pd in realtime and I'll have the perfect gear (perfect for me). Just wanted to share this.
Cheers!
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On Jul 29, 2010, at 8:30 PM, Jeffrey Concepcion wrote:
I would like to exclude my laptop from live performance, so to be able to upload my pd patch (or patches) to a device like the beagleboard seems perfect for my needs.
@Dan Wilcox - Where you able to build your setup? which one did you go for? how would you be using it (live processing, generation, or sampling,etc.?)
I use a Xybernaut wearable computer running a minimal, no gui Ubuntu and pd with realtime priority and a Roland UA-25 soundcard. It's a slow computer (500Mhz) but with the right settings I have 2 channels in (voice and guitar) and a mixed stereo out with around 12-16ms latency, which is acceptable. The only time I get dropouts are when switching between song patches, which is not a big deal.
Pd does realtime generation and processing from control and incoming audio. A master patch contains the audio in/out, osc in/out, and playlist. An 8 channel global mixer mixes down to stereo and each song is recorded to wav as I play. Each song is a separate patch noted in the [coll] playlist text file. Switching between songs closes the current song and then opens the new one. A compact flash card contains the songs and media and a small script which is called when the cf card is mounted which tells pd which playlist to load on the card. This way I have different sets per card. The same could be done using usb thumbsticks (should be faster then cf cards) but I used cf cards since the wearable has a slot for one.
Software wise I have scripting that automatically starts everything and autoconnects alsa midi to pd. A custom daemon grabs hid gamepad events and sends them to pd over osc. The hids are automatically opened when udev detects a new hid device which is super important on a headless machine with no mouse or keyboard. I have a simple visual engine that accepts commands over osc from pd. The overhead with everything running is around 180-230 MB of RAM on a machine with only 256 but it works. I had to fiddle with getting the nice settings just right so the applications work well together.
I am currently in the process of cleaning up my setup. Once it's ready you can download and try it out on Ubuntu.
Here's my (a bit empty for now) trac project page : http://trac.robotcowboy.com/ and source repository: http://trac.robotcowboy.com/browser/robotcowboy/trunk
In the future I plan to try out a beagle board or gumstix. If I could get funding/sponsorship, I'd drop the 7 grand for one of these: http://www.bdatech.com/switchback/ a military grade UMPC. The Xybernaut I have is industrial grade (cost $10000 new, but I got for $350 on ebay) and it will outlast any netbook or consumer laptop on the road. Do not underestimate the quality and durability of the hardware you consider while building a performance machine. One option is to buy a mini-itx board and mount it and a soundcard etc into a pelican case ala AudioPint.
Also: the computer will fuck you no matter how much time you put into making it work. Make sure to have a *back up* plan for when it crashes. If you have everything setup correctly, you can just reboot and do a little song and dance ... :D My experience is that 1 reboot is enjoyed by the audience, a second is tolerated, and 3 or more means the promoter will chew you out and wonder why you don't use a Mac and Albeton etc ...
Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Jeffrey Concepcion jeffreyconcepcion@gmail.com wrote:
I would like to exclude my laptop from live performance, so to be able to upload my pd patch (or patches) to a device like the beagleboard seems perfect for my needs.
I suppose that by "exclude" you mean you want to avoid interacting with your laptop directly?
I don't know what platform you are on but you may want to consider using a netbook. It gives you more power than a beagle board, you can develop/test your stuff right on the thing, it is small and you could even fit it in a small backpack that you could carry on stage. If you are familiar with linux you should search linux-audio-users list for some info about getting it done. Ivica Ico Bukvic (who is also on this list) does a laptop orchestra with netbooks running linux, Ken Restivo uses an eepc for live shows as a softsynth and DSP (IIRC) and I was recently involved in a project where a mobile setup with netbooks, speakers and microphones was used and carried by musicians in backpacks: http://vimeo.com/12997228
Thanks guys, i'll definitely be looking at your suggestions, i think it's pretty clear that i should make the move to linux, but i just haven't gotten to it. i already have an acer netbook, but the issues there are horrifying latency and breakup of the sound (at least on windows), pierre's solution seems like my ticket for now, as i don't need to have the system on me. although the bisquitbox, audiopint , beagleboard ,etc. seem like good possibilities.
To be continued...
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Michal Seta mis@artengine.ca wrote:
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Jeffrey Concepcion jeffreyconcepcion@gmail.com wrote:
I would like to exclude my laptop from live performance, so to be able to upload my pd patch (or patches) to a device like the beagleboard seems perfect for my needs.
I suppose that by "exclude" you mean you want to avoid interacting with your laptop directly?
I don't know what platform you are on but you may want to consider using a netbook. It gives you more power than a beagle board, you can develop/test your stuff right on the thing, it is small and you could even fit it in a small backpack that you could carry on stage. If you are familiar with linux you should search linux-audio-users list for some info about getting it done. Ivica Ico Bukvic (who is also on this list) does a laptop orchestra with netbooks running linux, Ken Restivo uses an eepc for live shows as a softsynth and DSP (IIRC) and I was recently involved in a project where a mobile setup with netbooks, speakers and microphones was used and carried by musicians in backpacks: http://vimeo.com/12997228
-- ./MiS
Yeah, do make the move to Linux. And don't give up after trying out Ubuntu (or whatever) and finding out that i won't work properly on your machine. I tried at least three different distros of Ubuntu and Pure Dyne before i installed Fedora. I don't believe anybody can tell for sure which distro will work fine on your computer, but there has to be one. Just be patient!
(Slightly off topic) Just in case, i'd recommend downloading and burning Gparted Live and Super Grub Disk before you start experimenting with various linux distributions. They'll come in handy when it comes to formating your linux partition and accessing Windows again. Also, when you have a linux distribution installed, first thing you should do is download and install the realtime kernel (when available), and then try JACK to see what the minimal latency is. If it's not way less than in windows then there's something wrong. Then download, install and run Pd, and make sure it works normally (it didn't in Ubuntu 9.04 on my laptop).
Pierre
2010/7/31 Jeffrey Concepcion jeffreyconcepcion@gmail.com
Thanks guys, i'll definitely be looking at your suggestions, i think it's pretty clear that i should make the move to linux, but i just haven't gotten to it. i already have an acer netbook, but the issues there are horrifying latency and breakup of the sound (at least on windows), pierre's solution seems like my ticket for now, as i don't need to have the system on me. although the bisquitbox, audiopint , beagleboard ,etc. seem like good possibilities.
To be continued...
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Michal Seta mis@artengine.ca wrote:
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Jeffrey Concepcion jeffreyconcepcion@gmail.com wrote:
I would like to exclude my laptop from live performance, so to be able
to
upload my pd patch (or patches) to a device like the beagleboard seems perfect for my needs.
I suppose that by "exclude" you mean you want to avoid interacting with your laptop directly?
I don't know what platform you are on but you may want to consider using a netbook. It gives you more power than a beagle board, you can develop/test your stuff right on the thing, it is small and you could even fit it in a small backpack that you could carry on stage. If you are familiar with linux you should search linux-audio-users list for some info about getting it done. Ivica Ico Bukvic (who is also on this list) does a laptop orchestra with netbooks running linux, Ken Restivo uses an eepc for live shows as a softsynth and DSP (IIRC) and I was recently involved in a project where a mobile setup with netbooks, speakers and microphones was used and carried by musicians in backpacks: http://vimeo.com/12997228
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If you're looking for low latency, than you're propably looking for the Linux rt-kernel. The generic kernel already does low latency very well, but the rt-kernel can be a level higher.
Don't know how much the hardware is relevant to the choice of a distro, other than that of my own experience with NVIDIA graphic cards, in which case I've come to believe that NVIDIA works easier on on "Ubuntu" RT-kernels than on much of the competition, unless you compile the kernel module yourself. Specifically in RT-kernels the difference may be striking.
I've tried Fedora withPlanet CCRMA, last autumn (on Pentium 3 and AMD Sempron), but had to give up after loosing two harddisks at once (on the same machine). I seemed to have problems with something to do with no=acpi, or something on that road (I'm not a wizard at these things, as you may have gathered). I made some extensive research on the subject, but the solutions given on different forums were not enough for my hardware, at least. Shutting down didn't work very well. Often I had to use the Power button to shut the whole thing down. This was on a clean Fedora + CCRMA system, with no other additions other than: a pci usb 2.0 card (which may have caused the problem due to IRQ, if I understand correctly) a pci m-audio sound-card and a pci wireless network card.
Puredyne uses the "Ubuntu" RT-kernel, to my knowledge (it's been a while since I updated that machine), That is the system I use as a "production machine". The pre-installed Pure Data did not work for me. Neither on the 32 bit system or the 64 bit system. The input sound was not right (distorted, wrong samplerate, somtehing like that). However, the daily build of pd-extended (at this date being the release candidate 5 (rc-5)), works perfectly. And the Ubuntu RT-kernel, together with the minimal Puredyne, XFCE desktop is a dream for the live musician. It "just" works for me. At home, when "rt" is not as important, but easy desktop-use is, I use the standard Ubuntu (though not crash-free).
Can't find a straight answer to which is the best system. I haven't had stainless experiences with any of them. 99% of the time, though, I prefer Ubuntu-based systems.
On 08/01/2010 12:23 AM, Pierre Massat wrote:
Yeah, do make the move to Linux. And don't give up after trying out Ubuntu (or whatever) and finding out that i won't work properly on your machine. I tried at least three different distros of Ubuntu and Pure Dyne before i installed Fedora. I don't believe anybody can tell for sure which distro will work fine on your computer, but there has to be one. Just be patient!
(Slightly off topic) Just in case, i'd recommend downloading and burning Gparted Live and Super Grub Disk before you start experimenting with various linux distributions. They'll come in handy when it comes to formating your linux partition and accessing Windows again. Also, when you have a linux distribution installed, first thing you should do is download and install the realtime kernel (when available), and then try JACK to see what the minimal latency is. If it's not way less than in windows then there's something wrong. Then download, install and run Pd, and make sure it works normally (it didn't in Ubuntu 9.04 on my laptop).
Pierre
2010/7/31 Jeffrey Concepcion <jeffreyconcepcion@gmail.com mailto:jeffreyconcepcion@gmail.com>
Thanks guys, i'll definitely be looking at your suggestions, i think it's pretty clear that i should make the move to linux, but i just haven't gotten to it. i already have an acer netbook, but the issues there are horrifying latency and breakup of the sound (at least on windows), pierre's solution seems like my ticket for now, as i don't need to have the system on me. although the bisquitbox, audiopint , beagleboard ,etc. seem like good possibilities. To be continued... On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Michal Seta <mis@artengine.ca <mailto:mis@artengine.ca>> wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Jeffrey Concepcion <jeffreyconcepcion@gmail.com <mailto:jeffreyconcepcion@gmail.com>> wrote: > I would like to exclude my laptop from live performance, so to be able to > upload my pd patch (or patches) to a device like the beagleboard seems > perfect for my needs. I suppose that by "exclude" you mean you want to avoid interacting with your laptop directly? I don't know what platform you are on but you may want to consider using a netbook. It gives you more power than a beagle board, you can develop/test your stuff right on the thing, it is small and you could even fit it in a small backpack that you could carry on stage. If you are familiar with linux you should search linux-audio-users list for some info about getting it done. Ivica Ico Bukvic (who is also on this list) does a laptop orchestra with netbooks running linux, Ken Restivo uses an eepc for live shows as a softsynth and DSP (IIRC) and I was recently involved in a project where a mobile setup with netbooks, speakers and microphones was used and carried by musicians in backpacks: http://vimeo.com/12997228 -- ./MiS -- www.avmachinists.org <http://www.avmachinists.org> Puerto Rico based Art Collective/ Non-Profit Org _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Jeffrey Concepcion jeffreyconcepcion@gmail.com wrote:
i already have an acer netbook, but the issues there are horrifying latency and breakup of the sound (at least on windows), pierre's solution seems like my ticket for now, as i don't need to have the system on me.
FYI, we have purchased some recent eeepc (I cannot tell exactly which, I don't have the info at hand). It was pre-loaded with windows 7. I installed ubuntu loaded with the necessary libraries and pd. I have experimented with running our pd patches under windows but the performance terrible compared to linux (even before tweaking any settings to improve performance). I could run the same setup on an Acer Aspire One but the processing is not very intensive, in any case. On the other hand, I do not know how to make Windows efficient, it must be possible since there are so many people relying on it for performance and studio work.
./MiS
I don't know much about this, but i'm pretty sure you can't get as low a latency as that of Linux and Mac OS in windows. The thing is that "performance and studio" doesn't mean anything per se. If you only need a drum machine or a sequencer for your performance, then you don't really care about latency at all. Same for recording. Latency only becomes a problem when you need to process your sound in real time (if you want to apply an effect on a voice for instance), or when you need to do some overdubbing (recording a track while listening to another). For this you need a real low latency, which implies direct access to the processor for your audio data, and i don't think Windows allows that.
2010/8/1 Michal Seta mis@artengine.ca
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Jeffrey Concepcion jeffreyconcepcion@gmail.com wrote:
i already have an acer netbook, but the issues there are horrifying latency and breakup of the sound (at least on windows), pierre's solution seems like my ticket for now, as i don't need to have the system on me.
FYI, we have purchased some recent eeepc (I cannot tell exactly which, I don't have the info at hand). It was pre-loaded with windows 7. I installed ubuntu loaded with the necessary libraries and pd. I have experimented with running our pd patches under windows but the performance terrible compared to linux (even before tweaking any settings to improve performance). I could run the same setup on an Acer Aspire One but the processing is not very intensive, in any case. On the other hand, I do not know how to make Windows efficient, it must be possible since there are so many people relying on it for performance and studio work.
./MiS
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This performance is awesome! I haven't seen experimental bassoon before. It makes me wish I'd kept up with it after junior high school.
~Kyle
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 5:46 AM, Ricardo Lameiro ricardolameiro@gmail.comwrote:
Hello list,
Well i do have in mind some ideas i want to implement with pd/hardware, one of them is using a single board computer to run pd without GUI, just using some little lcd screen. Maybe using a beagle board, that features a ARM Cortex A8 that has some floating point support, with the NEON instruction SET(I will need to recompile Pd for that).
Other than that i can also post the Hardware/Setup i used on some performances.
The hardware list is : Computer - Dell Studio 1737 Audio Interface - Edirol FA-101 MIDI Foot controller - Behringer FCB1010 Bassoon bocal pickup a wireless send/receive from Sennheiser and sometimes I use external sensors, like the wiimote, or some others connected to an Arduino board.
Software side is:
OS: UbuntuStudio, Driver/sound server: Jack/FFADO and of course, Pd
I have a video of one of the performances, it was my first public performance using RT effects and using Pd, It is not very good, but I am looking forward to improve it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNsOtl8ia0k
2010/5/7 Pierre Massat pimassat@gmail.com
What kind of documentation would you like?
I can tell you about the hardware:
- Dell D520 Laptop with Intel Core2 Duo, with Fedora 12 and the Planet
CCRMA rt kernel.
- EMU 0404 USB soundcard (2 ins 2 outs)
- A small Shure transformer to turn the balanced output of the soundcard
into an unbalanced input for the amp.
- Foot controller made off the cheapest USB analog gamepad one can find
(I'd recommend going for a higher quality, though...)
I could send you some pictures of the controller, too. As i said before i doubt that my patch is written well enough for it to be worth sharing. Yet i'll always be there to help if someone wants to make his own.
Pierre
2010/5/7 Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at
It would be great to see some documentation of this setup so that others can learn from it. You might be interested in Pd on Android, iPhone, Maemo, etc. and other mobile devices. Mobile devices are getting quite powerful, and they are already small. Then you'd even have a battery powered setup ;)
.hc
On May 2, 2010, at 8:37 AM, Pierre Massat wrote:
Hello everyone!
There was a discussion not too long ago about suitability of Pd in a live context (off the "smoother audio" thread i think). I just wanted to say that i use Pd everytime i play a gig with my band as a super multi effects. I have never experienced any crash in Pd, and the sound is just excellent, and everybody keeps asking me what the hell are these pedals and this software and how the eff do i make all these sounds, and well, i just think this is the future. I m just hoping that sometime soon we'll have a piece of hardware that's small and powerful enough to run Pd in realtime and I'll have the perfect gear (perfect for me). Just wanted to share this.
Cheers!
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