I just discovered this! It looks like it shipped with extended? Also looks like it is in Max?
This thing is awesome because it solves a problem I often have with LFO wave-shaping.
I have an LFO like [osc~ 3] which has a range of (-1, 1). I want to be able to use this to represent a frequency scaler.
So let's say that +1 is like +1VDC @ 1VDC/octave (like a modular synth). So +1 is like 12 semitones up (octave) and -1 is like 12 semitones down.
However this seems really complicated to take a sine wave with a range -1,1 and scale that to 0.5,2 to represent a frequency scalar. (f * 0.5 = one octave down, f * 2 = one octave up).
if V~ is your LFO voltage value (input) and you want to generate your voltage-scalar S~: Then it's something like
*S~ = (2^(1/12)) ^ (V~ * 12)* This can be done with an [expr~] or with some math~, but it seems cumbersome to me.
But if I can convert a (float) MIDI value to frequency value, *at signal rate*, then I can simply ADD my ordinary [osc~ 3] LFO (and also linear Bend-value) and i'm done.
(I think of this signal-rate "voltage" representing frequency to be actually like
- F~ = MIDIval + LFO~ + Bend)*
This is so handy, I would like to ask that [mtof~] be added to Vanilla (if it's not already there) or maybe Alexandre can report if it is in his new Cyclone?
Thanks, BH
On 2016-10-05 09:06, William Huston wrote:
This is so handy, I would like to ask that [mtof~] be added to Vanilla (if it's not already there)
zhmm, so you've written that long email and did not bother to check whether it actually is included in vanilla? (it is, at least since 0.33, which was released about 2001)
fgasdr IOhannes
Well I *did. *But I also stated that I wasn't sure.
I have several different versions of Pd installed, and I generally point to a bunch of external libraries from -extended.
I searched my machine for things like:
mtof~.dll mtof~-help.pd
I DID find the help in \pd-extended\externals\vanilla\ (Windows machine) But NOT under my Vanilla install (0.47-1).
I also went to the top of my 0.47-1 install tree and looked for any file called mtof~ and *FOUND NOTHING. *
So maybe you can tell me how, when I instantiate *[mtof~]*, where exactly it is coming from? Is it an internal? Is it an external?
Thanks, BH
On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 3:57 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoelnig@iem.at wrote:
On 2016-10-05 09:06, William Huston wrote:
This is so handy, I would like to ask that [mtof~] be added to Vanilla (if it's not already there)
zhmm, so you've written that long email and did not bother to check whether it actually is included in vanilla? (it is, at least since 0.33, which was released about 2001)
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Pd -> help -> list of objects
Here you can see all objects that are part of Pd vanilla.
Vanilla build-in objects can indeed be overwritten by externals but you should get a warning in the console *). If you're not sure which object has actually been loaded, just create one and open the help patch. If you get a vanilla help patch, it's vanilla ;-) Christof
*) which is not always true. after I've created [zexy/wrap], [wrap] will always give me the zexy version, without a warning that the vanilla [wrap] has been overwritten...
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 05. Oktober 2016 um 10:31 Uhr Von: "William Huston" williamahuston@gmail.com An: "IOhannes m zmoelnig" zmoelnig@iem.at Cc: "pd-list@lists.iem.at" pd-list@lists.iem.at Betreff: Re: [PD] [mtof~] !!!
Well I did. But I also stated that I wasn't sure. I have several different versions of Pd installed, and I generally point to a bunch of external libraries from -extended. I searched my machine for things like: mtof~.dll mtof~-help.pdI DID find the help in \pd-extended\externals\vanilla\ (Windows machine) But NOT under my Vanilla install (0.47-1). I also went to the top of my 0.47-1 install tree and looked for any file called mtof~ and FOUND NOTHING. So maybe you can tell me how, when I instantiate [mtof~], where exactly it is coming from? Is it an internal? Is it an external? Thanks, BH On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 3:57 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig@iem.at[mailto:zmoelnig@iem.at]> wrote:On 2016-10-05 09:06, William Huston wrote:
This is so handy, I would like to ask that [mtof~] be added to Vanilla (if it's not already there)
zhmm, so you've written that long email and did not bother to check whether it actually is included in vanilla? (it is, at least since 0.33, which was released about 2001)
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On 2016-10-05 11:26, Christof Ressi wrote:
mtof~.dll mtof~-help.pd I DID find the help in \pd-extended\externals\vanilla\ (Windows machine) But NOT under my Vanilla install (0.47-1).
this is because pd-vanilla has very few externals (an "external" is an object that comes from a file other than the Pd-binary itself).
Pd-extended attempted to remove all internal objects from Pd and put them into a "vanilla" library. that's why you see a mtof~.dll
I also went to the top of my 0.47-1 install tree and looked for any file called mtof~ and FOUND NOTHING.
see above.
So maybe you can tell me how, when I instantiate [mtof~], where exactly it is coming from? Is it an internal? Is it an external?
well, christof already gave you the quick and dirty way: open the help-patch of the object and see if it is a Pd-vanilla help patch.
a more correct (though cumbersome) way would be to start Pd-vanilla without any libraries and paths loaded
pd -noprefs -nostdpath -verbose
create the object and see whether it instantiates. if it does, check the Pd-console to make sure that it was not loaded from some local file. if it instantiates and is not from a local file, then it is an internal.
fgasdrm IOhannes
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or right click on an empty spot in your patch and ask for help
listed there is all vanilla objects
2016-10-05 6:26 GMT-03:00 Christof Ressi christof.ressi@gmx.at:
Pd -> help -> list of objects
Here you can see all objects that are part of Pd vanilla.
Vanilla build-in objects can indeed be overwritten by externals but you should get a warning in the console *). If you're not sure which object has actually been loaded, just create one and open the help patch. If you get a vanilla help patch, it's vanilla ;-)
Christof
*) which is not always true. after I've created [zexy/wrap], [wrap] will always give me the zexy version, without a warning that the vanilla [wrap] has been overwritten...
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 05. Oktober 2016 um 10:31 Uhr Von: "William Huston" williamahuston@gmail.com An: "IOhannes m zmoelnig" zmoelnig@iem.at Cc: "pd-list@lists.iem.at" pd-list@lists.iem.at Betreff: Re: [PD] [mtof~] !!!
Well I did. But I also stated that I wasn't sure.
I have several different versions of Pd installed, and I generally point to a bunch of external libraries from -extended.
I searched my machine for things like:
mtof~.dll mtof~-help.pdI DID find the help in \pd-extended\externals\vanilla
(Windows machine) But NOT under my Vanilla install (0.47-1).I also went to the top of my 0.47-1 install tree and looked for any file called mtof~ and FOUND NOTHING.
So maybe you can tell me how, when I instantiate [mtof~], where exactly it is coming from? Is it an internal? Is it an external?
Thanks, BH
On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 3:57 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig@iem.at [mailto:zmoelnig@iem.at]> wrote:On 2016-10-05 09:06, William Huston wrote:
This is so handy, I would like to ask that [mtof~] be added to Vanilla (if it's not already there)
zhmm, so you've written that long email and did not bother to check whether it actually is included in vanilla? (it is, at least since 0.33, which was released about 2001)
fgasdr IOhannes
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xensynth http://archive.org/details/xensynth has abstractioins [ntof] and [ntof~] which are not bound to the midi 100 cent interval intervals can be set with a list message in frequency ratio format xensynth can load scala .scl tuning files and when a .scl file is loaded it sends the interval list to all the ntof and ntof interval arrays. ntof was based on xtof , memory of original xtof library name escapes me at the moment. i do remember the xtof version i had didnt work with non octave tunings so i rewrote the patch to work with non octave tunings and added the audio rate version seems like the differences in the control and audio versions might have been [mod] and [%~] or % in an expr~
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