Hello,
I'm interested in learning more about creating Flash frontends for a few PD patches of mine and hosting them on the web.
I've installed the flashserver external; however, I only have a rudimentary working knowledge of Flash and I'm in need of some advice on where to tread next.
A few questions:
- Is it neccessary to learn Actionscript in order to
create interaction between PD and Flash, or will just a few rote lines of memorized code suffice? At the moment, all I want to do is build some sliders and have PD recieve the numerical data.
- I'm not hosting any webspace on a local box, though
I do have telnet access. Will it be possible to boot my patch through my telnet-accessed comand line? If not, is there any way of pulling this off short of building my own webserver?
- Has anyone tried to stream audio data back through
Flash? Is this feasible? If not, what's the most widely-accessible way of sharing the audio data? Icecast?
Any further tips and pointers on this task would be appreciated. Once I've successfully pulled this off, I'd like to write a simple tutorial for pure-data.org on how it was done.
Thanks! Marcus.
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Hi Marcus,
I've done a bunch of stuff with PD and Flash at first using PHP scripts to send data to PD but now I have a project that utilizes flashserver. It's a very open project and you can find some informative files to help you get started with Flash and PD:
There's even a .fla file that has all the socket stuff already prepared. You can't do this sort of thing without knowing quite a bit about ActionScript. You can stream the audio directly to the flash movie but when I've tried it's been very choppy and poor. Best way is to stream it seperately either as Mp3 or Ogg. Mp3 is more widely supported but Ogg is true open source. You pretty much need your own server. The PD patch has to run as a constant process and somehow I doubt that many hosting deals will let you do that kind of thing without paying extra (you'd have to install PD as well as run your patch). Also, streaming audio isn't something that someone is just going to give you free reign over. That's probably going to be another (pricey) addition to your hosting service. Even if you do run your own server, the Mp3 stream is going to get expensive if you're on a hired connection. Best thing is to get a university or something to sponsor your project and let you hook your server up to their connection for free (which is what I did).
Good luck,
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcus" ubiquity7@yahoo.com To: pd-list@iem.at Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 12:24 AM Subject: [PD] Advice on PD/Flash Usage
Hello,
I'm interested in learning more about creating Flash frontends for a few PD patches of mine and hosting them on the web.
I've installed the flashserver external; however, I only have a rudimentary working knowledge of Flash and I'm in need of some advice on where to tread next.
A few questions:
- Is it neccessary to learn Actionscript in order to
create interaction between PD and Flash, or will just a few rote lines of memorized code suffice? At the moment, all I want to do is build some sliders and have PD recieve the numerical data.
- I'm not hosting any webspace on a local box, though
I do have telnet access. Will it be possible to boot my patch through my telnet-accessed comand line? If not, is there any way of pulling this off short of building my own webserver?
- Has anyone tried to stream audio data back through
Flash? Is this feasible? If not, what's the most widely-accessible way of sharing the audio data? Icecast?
Any further tips and pointers on this task would be appreciated. Once I've successfully pulled this off, I'd like to write a simple tutorial for pure-data.org on how it was done.
Thanks! Marcus.
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On Sat, Nov 29, 2003 at 12:53:25AM +0000, Pall Thayer wrote:
I've done a bunch of stuff with PD and Flash at first using PHP scripts to send data to PD but now I have a project that utilizes flashserver. It's a very open project and you can find some informative files to help you get started with Flash and PD:
There's even a .fla file that has all the socket stuff already prepared. You can't do this sort of thing without knowing quite a bit about ActionScript.
I've also done a Flash frontend, but I used the Ming library instead of the Flash application: http://ming.sourceforge.net/ It works only with Flash 5 ActionScript, but it's enough for many projects, and everything can be authored on Linux with free software (except for the Flash plugin, of course...) -- Marc
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On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 08:43:11PM -0500, Marc Lavallée wrote:
I've also done a Flash frontend, but I used the Ming library instead of the Flash application: http://ming.sourceforge.net/ It works only with Flash 5 ActionScript, but it's enough for many projects, and everything can be authored on Linux with free software (except for the Flash plugin, of course...) -- Marc
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Marcus wrote:
- Is it neccessary to learn Actionscript in order to
create interaction between PD and Flash, or will just a few rote lines of memorized code suffice? At the moment, all I want to do is build some sliders and have PD recieve the numerical data.
If you have a look at the files that come with flashserver there already is an example file doing just that: sending values from sliders to flashserver. If you modify the look of it you can get your own version without too much ActionScripting. Just change the server name to piont your hostname or IP (this can be found in the 'action' layer).
- I'm not hosting any webspace on a local box, though
I do have telnet access. Will it be possible to boot my patch through my telnet-accessed comand line? If not, is there any way of pulling this off short of building my own webserver?
In the end you have to have flashserver / Pd and the webserver that hosts the flash file running on the same machine! Flash PlugIns only connect to the IP / hostname they have been loaded from. If you start the flash movie from harddisk this does not apply....
You can install and run Pd through telent access.
- Has anyone tried to stream audio data back through
Flash?
You will need Icecast anyway but you can play mp3 streams directly in Flash. So users don't have to start a separate player for that.
Olaf
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