dear list
i've downloaded the svn version of ffmpeg and configured it with: ./configure --enable-mp3lame --enable-libogg --enable-vorbis --enable-gpl
i tried also manipulating the "Makefile" and added the variables:
/usr/local/src/pd/ffmpeg/libavutil/libavutil.a in PDP_PIDIP_LIBS and -I/usr/loacal/src/pd/ffmpeg/libavutil in PDP_PIDIP_INCLUDES
but i got allways after a:
./configure --with-pd=../../ --with-pdp=../pdp/ --with-ffmpeg=../../../ffmpeg-svn/
make clean make ( and make CC=gcc-3.4 )
........many, many..... /usr/local/src/pd/ffmpeg-svn/libavformat/avformat.h:251: warning: ‘AVFrac’ is deprecated pdp_live~.c: In function ‘pdp_live_decode_packet’: pdp_live~.c:282: error: request for member ‘codec_type’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:297: warning: passing argument 1 of ‘avcodec_decode_audio’ from incompatible pointer type pdp_live~.c:297: warning: passing argument 3 of ‘avcodec_decode_audio’ from incompatible pointer type pdp_live~.c:342: error: request for member ‘channels’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:343: error: request for member ‘sample_rate’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:347: error: request for member ‘channels’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:349: error: request for member ‘sample_rate’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:354: error: request for member ‘channels’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:400: error: request for member ‘width’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:401: error: request for member ‘height’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:403: error: request for member ‘frame_rate’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:410: warning: passing argument 1 of ‘avcodec_decode_video’ from incompatible pointer type pdp_live~.c:410: warning: passing argument 3 of ‘avcodec_decode_video’ from incompatible pointer type pdp_live~.c:411: error: request for member ‘pix_fmt’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:414: error: request for member ‘pix_fmt’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:445: error: request for member ‘width’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:446: error: request for member ‘height’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c: In function ‘pdp_live_connect_to_url’: pdp_live~.c:589: error: ‘AVFormatParameters’ has no member named ‘image_format’ pdp_live~.c:651: error: request for member ‘codec_type’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:655: error: request for member ‘codec_type’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:658: error: request for member ‘codec_id’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:658: error: request for member ‘bit_rate’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:660: error: request for member ‘sample_rate’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:660: error: request for member ‘channels’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:663: error: request for member ‘codec_type’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:666: error: request for member ‘codec_id’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:667: error: request for member ‘bit_rate’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:669: error: request for member ‘frame_rate’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:670: error: request for member ‘width’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:671: error: request for member ‘height’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:685: error: request for member ‘codec_id’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:699: warning: passing argument 1 of ‘avcodec_open’ from incompatible pointer type pdp_live~.c: In function ‘pdp_live_disconnect’: pdp_live~.c:782: warning: passing argument 1 of ‘avcodec_close’ from incompatible pointer type pdp_live~.c: In function ‘pdp_live_perform’: pdp_live~.c:938: warning: passing argument 2 of ‘pdp_packet_pass_if_valid’ from incompatible pointer type make[1]: *** [pdp_live~.o] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/pd/pd/externals/pidip/modules' make: *** [pdp_pidip_all] Error 2
yes, sorry. i don't use ffmpeg anymore since a while and do not follow ffmpeg changes, so, err, can tell you : 'feel free to fix it' ?
( i know it's a bad answer but all i can do )
suerte, sevy
Patrick wrote:
dear list
i've downloaded the svn version of ffmpeg and configured it with: ./configure --enable-mp3lame --enable-libogg --enable-vorbis --enable-gpl
i tried also manipulating the "Makefile" and added the variables:
/usr/local/src/pd/ffmpeg/libavutil/libavutil.a in PDP_PIDIP_LIBS and -I/usr/loacal/src/pd/ffmpeg/libavutil in PDP_PIDIP_INCLUDES
but i got allways after a:
./configure --with-pd=../../ --with-pdp=../pdp/ --with-ffmpeg=../../../ffmpeg-svn/
make clean make ( and make CC=gcc-3.4 )
........many, many..... /usr/local/src/pd/ffmpeg-svn/libavformat/avformat.h:251: warning: ‘AVFrac’ is deprecated pdp_live~.c: In function ‘pdp_live_decode_packet’: pdp_live~.c:282: error: request for member ‘codec_type’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:297: warning: passing argument 1 of ‘avcodec_decode_audio’ from incompatible pointer type pdp_live~.c:297: warning: passing argument 3 of ‘avcodec_decode_audio’ from incompatible pointer type pdp_live~.c:342: error: request for member ‘channels’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:343: error: request for member ‘sample_rate’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:347: error: request for member ‘channels’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:349: error: request for member ‘sample_rate’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:354: error: request for member ‘channels’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:400: error: request for member ‘width’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:401: error: request for member ‘height’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:403: error: request for member ‘frame_rate’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:410: warning: passing argument 1 of ‘avcodec_decode_video’ from incompatible pointer type pdp_live~.c:410: warning: passing argument 3 of ‘avcodec_decode_video’ from incompatible pointer type pdp_live~.c:411: error: request for member ‘pix_fmt’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:414: error: request for member ‘pix_fmt’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:445: error: request for member ‘width’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:446: error: request for member ‘height’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c: In function ‘pdp_live_connect_to_url’: pdp_live~.c:589: error: ‘AVFormatParameters’ has no member named ‘image_format’ pdp_live~.c:651: error: request for member ‘codec_type’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:655: error: request for member ‘codec_type’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:658: error: request for member ‘codec_id’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:658: error: request for member ‘bit_rate’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:660: error: request for member ‘sample_rate’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:660: error: request for member ‘channels’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:663: error: request for member ‘codec_type’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:666: error: request for member ‘codec_id’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:667: error: request for member ‘bit_rate’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:669: error: request for member ‘frame_rate’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:670: error: request for member ‘width’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:671: error: request for member ‘height’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:685: error: request for member ‘codec_id’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:699: warning: passing argument 1 of ‘avcodec_open’ from incompatible pointer type pdp_live~.c: In function ‘pdp_live_disconnect’: pdp_live~.c:782: warning: passing argument 1 of ‘avcodec_close’ from incompatible pointer type pdp_live~.c: In function ‘pdp_live_perform’: pdp_live~.c:938: warning: passing argument 2 of ‘pdp_packet_pass_if_valid’ from incompatible pointer type make[1]: *** [pdp_live~.o] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/pd/pd/externals/pidip/modules' make: *** [pdp_pidip_all] Error 2
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Tonight I headed down this same path, doing the equivalent of adding the variables and getting the same errors. I have concluded that pidip compiles only with the ffmpeg sources Yves provides on the pidip web page: http://ydegoyon.free.fr/pidip.html
I put rather terse directions for compiling for ubuntu Dapper on a wiki: http://cratel.wichita.edu/cratel/cratel_PiDiP_ubuntu
These were adapted from earlier directions I put for compiling on ubuntu Breezy: http://wikihost.org/wikis/techartsound/wiki/ubuntu_breezy
-John
Yves Degoyon wrote:
yes, sorry. i don't use ffmpeg anymore since a while and do not follow ffmpeg changes, so, err, can tell you : 'feel free to fix it' ?
( i know it's a bad answer but all i can do )
suerte, sevy
Patrick wrote:
dear list
i've downloaded the svn version of ffmpeg and configured it with: ./configure --enable-mp3lame --enable-libogg --enable-vorbis --enable-gpl
i tried also manipulating the "Makefile" and added the variables:
/usr/local/src/pd/ffmpeg/libavutil/libavutil.a in PDP_PIDIP_LIBS and -I/usr/loacal/src/pd/ffmpeg/libavutil in PDP_PIDIP_INCLUDES
but i got allways after a:
./configure --with-pd=../../ --with-pdp=../pdp/ --with-ffmpeg=../../../ffmpeg-svn/
make clean make ( and make CC=gcc-3.4 )
........many, many..... /usr/local/src/pd/ffmpeg-svn/libavformat/avformat.h:251: warning: ‘AVFrac’ is deprecated pdp_live~.c: In function ‘pdp_live_decode_packet’: pdp_live~.c:282: error: request for member ‘codec_type’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:297: warning: passing argument 1 of ‘avcodec_decode_audio’ from incompatible pointer type pdp_live~.c:297: warning: passing argument 3 of ‘avcodec_decode_audio’ from incompatible pointer type pdp_live~.c:342: error: request for member ‘channels’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:343: error: request for member ‘sample_rate’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:347: error: request for member ‘channels’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:349: error: request for member ‘sample_rate’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:354: error: request for member ‘channels’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:400: error: request for member ‘width’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:401: error: request for member ‘height’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:403: error: request for member ‘frame_rate’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:410: warning: passing argument 1 of ‘avcodec_decode_video’ from incompatible pointer type pdp_live~.c:410: warning: passing argument 3 of ‘avcodec_decode_video’ from incompatible pointer type pdp_live~.c:411: error: request for member ‘pix_fmt’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:414: error: request for member ‘pix_fmt’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:445: error: request for member ‘width’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:446: error: request for member ‘height’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c: In function ‘pdp_live_connect_to_url’: pdp_live~.c:589: error: ‘AVFormatParameters’ has no member named ‘image_format’ pdp_live~.c:651: error: request for member ‘codec_type’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:655: error: request for member ‘codec_type’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:658: error: request for member ‘codec_id’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:658: error: request for member ‘bit_rate’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:660: error: request for member ‘sample_rate’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:660: error: request for member ‘channels’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:663: error: request for member ‘codec_type’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:666: error: request for member ‘codec_id’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:667: error: request for member ‘bit_rate’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:669: error: request for member ‘frame_rate’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:670: error: request for member ‘width’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:671: error: request for member ‘height’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:685: error: request for member ‘codec_id’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:699: warning: passing argument 1 of ‘avcodec_open’ from incompatible pointer type pdp_live~.c: In function ‘pdp_live_disconnect’: pdp_live~.c:782: warning: passing argument 1 of ‘avcodec_close’ from incompatible pointer type pdp_live~.c: In function ‘pdp_live_perform’: pdp_live~.c:938: warning: passing argument 2 of ‘pdp_packet_pass_if_valid’ from incompatible pointer type make[1]: *** [pdp_live~.o] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/pd/pd/externals/pidip/modules' make: *** [pdp_pidip_all] Error 2
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pidip is included in the nightly builds for GNU/Linux, including the
Ubuntu Dapper build.
http://autobuild.puredata.info
.hc
On Dec 18, 2006, at 12:18 AM, John Harrison wrote:
Tonight I headed down this same path, doing the equivalent of
adding the variables and getting the same errors. I have concluded
that pidip compiles only with the ffmpeg sources Yves provides on
the pidip web page: http://ydegoyon.free.fr/pidip.htmlI put rather terse directions for compiling for ubuntu Dapper on a
wiki: http://cratel.wichita.edu/cratel/cratel_PiDiP_ubuntuThese were adapted from earlier directions I put for compiling on
ubuntu Breezy: http://wikihost.org/wikis/techartsound/wiki/ubuntu_breezy-John
Yves Degoyon wrote:
yes, sorry. i don't use ffmpeg anymore since a while and do not follow ffmpeg changes, so, err, can tell you : 'feel free to fix it' ?
( i know it's a bad answer but all i can do )
suerte, sevy
Patrick wrote:
dear list
i've downloaded the svn version of ffmpeg and configured it with: ./configure --enable-mp3lame --enable-libogg --enable-vorbis --enable-gpl
i tried also manipulating the "Makefile" and added the variables:
/usr/local/src/pd/ffmpeg/libavutil/libavutil.a in PDP_PIDIP_LIBS and -I/usr/loacal/src/pd/ffmpeg/libavutil in PDP_PIDIP_INCLUDES
but i got allways after a:
./configure --with-pd=../../ --with-pdp=../pdp/ --with-ffmpeg=../../../ffmpeg-svn/
make clean make ( and make CC=gcc-3.4 )
........many, many..... /usr/local/src/pd/ffmpeg-svn/libavformat/avformat.h:251: warning: ‘AVFrac’ is deprecated pdp_live~.c: In function ‘pdp_live_decode_packet’: pdp_live~.c:282: error: request for member ‘codec_type’ in
something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:297: warning: passing argument 1 of
‘avcodec_decode_audio’ from incompatible pointer type pdp_live~.c:297: warning: passing argument 3 of
‘avcodec_decode_audio’ from incompatible pointer type pdp_live~.c:342: error: request for member ‘channels’ in
something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:343: error: request for member ‘sample_rate’ in
something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:347: error: request for member ‘channels’ in
something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:349: error: request for member ‘sample_rate’ in
something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:354: error: request for member ‘channels’ in
something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:400: error: request for member ‘width’ in something
not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:401: error: request for member ‘height’ in something
not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:403: error: request for member ‘frame_rate’ in
something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:410: warning: passing argument 1 of
‘avcodec_decode_video’ from incompatible pointer type pdp_live~.c:410: warning: passing argument 3 of
‘avcodec_decode_video’ from incompatible pointer type pdp_live~.c:411: error: request for member ‘pix_fmt’ in something
not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:414: error: request for member ‘pix_fmt’ in something
not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:445: error: request for member ‘width’ in something
not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:446: error: request for member ‘height’ in something
not a structure or union pdp_live~.c: In function ‘pdp_live_connect_to_url’: pdp_live~.c:589: error: ‘AVFormatParameters’ has no member named ‘image_format’ pdp_live~.c:651: error: request for member ‘codec_type’ in
something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:655: error: request for member ‘codec_type’ in
something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:658: error: request for member ‘codec_id’ in
something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:658: error: request for member ‘bit_rate’ in
something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:660: error: request for member ‘sample_rate’ in
something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:660: error: request for member ‘channels’ in
something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:663: error: request for member ‘codec_type’ in
something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:666: error: request for member ‘codec_id’ in
something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:667: error: request for member ‘bit_rate’ in
something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:669: error: request for member ‘frame_rate’ in
something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:670: error: request for member ‘width’ in something
not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:671: error: request for member ‘height’ in something
not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:685: error: request for member ‘codec_id’ in
something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:699: warning: passing argument 1 of ‘avcodec_open’ from incompatible pointer type pdp_live~.c: In function ‘pdp_live_disconnect’: pdp_live~.c:782: warning: passing argument 1 of ‘avcodec_close’ from incompatible pointer type pdp_live~.c: In function ‘pdp_live_perform’: pdp_live~.c:938: warning: passing argument 2 of ‘pdp_packet_pass_if_valid’ from incompatible pointer type make[1]: *** [pdp_live~.o] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/pd/pd/externals/pidip/modules' make: *** [pdp_pidip_all] Error 2
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yeh, hans, but i guess pidip is compiled _without_ ffmpeg which has been a hell to follow anyway with so many unstable releases, buggy, crashing ... so i gave up ...
if you really want experimental support of ffmepg in pidip, that's with --with-ffmpeg=/path/to/ffmpeg
but i haven't tried this for years ( am i so old ? )
well, suerte a los jovenes, good instructions anyway ..
sevy
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
pidip is included in the nightly builds for GNU/Linux, including the
Ubuntu Dapper build.http://autobuild.puredata.info
.hc
On Dec 18, 2006, at 12:18 AM, John Harrison wrote:
Tonight I headed down this same path, doing the equivalent of adding the variables and getting the same errors. I have concluded that pidip compiles only with the ffmpeg sources Yves provides on the pidip web page: http://ydegoyon.free.fr/pidip.html
I put rather terse directions for compiling for ubuntu Dapper on a
wiki: http://cratel.wichita.edu/cratel/cratel_PiDiP_ubuntuThese were adapted from earlier directions I put for compiling on
ubuntu Breezy: http://wikihost.org/wikis/techartsound/wiki/ubuntu_breezy-John
Yves Degoyon wrote:
yes, sorry. i don't use ffmpeg anymore since a while and do not follow ffmpeg changes, so, err, can tell you : 'feel free to fix it' ?
( i know it's a bad answer but all i can do )
suerte, sevy
Patrick wrote:
dear list
i've downloaded the svn version of ffmpeg and configured it with: ./configure --enable-mp3lame --enable-libogg --enable-vorbis --enable-gpl
i tried also manipulating the "Makefile" and added the variables:
/usr/local/src/pd/ffmpeg/libavutil/libavutil.a in PDP_PIDIP_LIBS and -I/usr/loacal/src/pd/ffmpeg/libavutil in PDP_PIDIP_INCLUDES
but i got allways after a:
./configure --with-pd=../../ --with-pdp=../pdp/ --with-ffmpeg=../../../ffmpeg-svn/
make clean make ( and make CC=gcc-3.4 )
........many, many..... /usr/local/src/pd/ffmpeg-svn/libavformat/avformat.h:251: warning: ‘AVFrac’ is deprecated pdp_live~.c: In function ‘pdp_live_decode_packet’: pdp_live~.c:282: error: request for member ‘codec_type’ in
something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:297: warning: passing argument 1 of
‘avcodec_decode_audio’ from incompatible pointer type pdp_live~.c:297: warning: passing argument 3 of
‘avcodec_decode_audio’ from incompatible pointer type pdp_live~.c:342: error: request for member ‘channels’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:343: error: request for member ‘sample_rate’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:347: error: request for member ‘channels’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:349: error: request for member ‘sample_rate’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:354: error: request for member ‘channels’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:400: error: request for member ‘width’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:401: error: request for member ‘height’ in something
not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:403: error: request for member ‘frame_rate’ in
something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:410: warning: passing argument 1 of
‘avcodec_decode_video’ from incompatible pointer type pdp_live~.c:410: warning: passing argument 3 of
‘avcodec_decode_video’ from incompatible pointer type pdp_live~.c:411: error: request for member ‘pix_fmt’ in something
not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:414: error: request for member ‘pix_fmt’ in something
not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:445: error: request for member ‘width’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:446: error: request for member ‘height’ in something
not a structure or union pdp_live~.c: In function ‘pdp_live_connect_to_url’: pdp_live~.c:589: error: ‘AVFormatParameters’ has no member named ‘image_format’ pdp_live~.c:651: error: request for member ‘codec_type’ in
something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:655: error: request for member ‘codec_type’ in
something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:658: error: request for member ‘codec_id’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:658: error: request for member ‘bit_rate’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:660: error: request for member ‘sample_rate’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:660: error: request for member ‘channels’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:663: error: request for member ‘codec_type’ in
something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:666: error: request for member ‘codec_id’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:667: error: request for member ‘bit_rate’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:669: error: request for member ‘frame_rate’ in
something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:670: error: request for member ‘width’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:671: error: request for member ‘height’ in something
not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:685: error: request for member ‘codec_id’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:699: warning: passing argument 1 of ‘avcodec_open’ from incompatible pointer type pdp_live~.c: In function ‘pdp_live_disconnect’: pdp_live~.c:782: warning: passing argument 1 of ‘avcodec_close’ from incompatible pointer type pdp_live~.c: In function ‘pdp_live_perform’: pdp_live~.c:938: warning: passing argument 2 of ‘pdp_packet_pass_if_valid’ from incompatible pointer type make[1]: *** [pdp_live~.o] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/pd/pd/externals/pidip/modules' make: *** [pdp_pidip_all] Error 2
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