Hi, can we only have 4 multiple midi inputs in od?
what is the workaround?
thanks
On 22. August 2014 09:37:54 MESZ, Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, can we only have 4 multiple midi inputs in od?
what is the workaround?
A midi merger (either hard or software)
IIRC you can have more than 4 devices if you ask for them in command line. It's just the graphical interface that is limited to 4 n
Le 22/08/2014 17:41, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit :
On 22. August 2014 09:37:54 MESZ, Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, can we only have 4 multiple midi inputs in od?
what is the workaround?
A midi merger (either hard or software)
hmm, I'm curious about that nicolas - one way or another I think it'd be good to epxand this limit by default, I don't see what would be the problem for that, right?
don't know any midi merger software, any recommendations?
cheers
2014-08-22 13:09 GMT-03:00 Nicolas Montgermont <nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr
:
IIRC you can have more than 4 devices if you ask for them in command line. It's just the graphical interface that is limited to 4 n
Le 22/08/2014 17:41, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit :
On 22. August 2014 09:37:54 MESZ, Alexandre Torres Porres <
porres@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, can we only have 4 multiple midi inputs in od?
what is the workaround?
A midi merger (either hard or software)
Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
moreover, aren't there any flags to call for multiple input/output devices automatically? I'm being able to call only one
cheers
2014-08-22 14:41 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com:
hmm, I'm curious about that nicolas - one way or another I think it'd be good to epxand this limit by default, I don't see what would be the problem for that, right?
don't know any midi merger software, any recommendations?
cheers
2014-08-22 13:09 GMT-03:00 Nicolas Montgermont < nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr>:
IIRC you can have more than 4 devices if you ask for them in command line.
It's just the graphical interface that is limited to 4 n
Le 22/08/2014 17:41, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit :
On 22. August 2014 09:37:54 MESZ, Alexandre Torres Porres <
porres@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, can we only have 4 multiple midi inputs in od?
what is the workaround?
A midi merger (either hard or software)
Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
I've also been wondering what the flags to control the number of MIDI devices are. I'm using ALSA MIDI and I often have 3 MIDI devices connected, but at least in pd-l2ork the default is 2 devices and I'm not sure how to change it.
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com wrote:
moreover, aren't there any flags to call for multiple input/output devices automatically? I'm being able to call only one
cheers
2014-08-22 14:41 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com:
hmm, I'm curious about that nicolas - one way or another I think it'd be
good to epxand this limit by default, I don't see what would be the problem for that, right?
don't know any midi merger software, any recommendations?
cheers
2014-08-22 13:09 GMT-03:00 Nicolas Montgermont < nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr>:
IIRC you can have more than 4 devices if you ask for them in command line.
It's just the graphical interface that is limited to 4 n
Le 22/08/2014 17:41, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit :
On 22. August 2014 09:37:54 MESZ, Alexandre Torres Porres <
porres@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, can we only have 4 multiple midi inputs in od?
what is the workaround?
A midi merger (either hard or software)
Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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just do for midi input: pd -midiindev 1,2,3,4,5 n
Le 22/08/2014 19:41, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :
hmm, I'm curious about that nicolas - one way or another I think it'd be good to epxand this limit by default, I don't see what would be the problem for that, right?
don't know any midi merger software, any recommendations?
cheers
2014-08-22 13:09 GMT-03:00 Nicolas Montgermont <nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr mailto:nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr>:
IIRC you can have more than 4 devices if you ask for them in command line. It's just the graphical interface that is limited to 4 n Le 22/08/2014 17:41, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit : > On 22. August 2014 09:37:54 MESZ, Alexandre Torres Porres <porres@gmail.com <mailto:porres@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Hi, can we only have 4 multiple midi inputs in od? >> >> what is the workaround? >> > A midi merger (either hard or software) > > > -- http://www.nimon.org _______________________________________________ Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Or, as of 0.46, you can specify them by name (in case the numbers switch around):
pd -midiaddindev device-name-1 -midiaddindev device-name-2 [...]
You can get the device names by looking at the MID dialog, or by starting
pd -listdev
Theoretically, you can add all the -midiaddindev (etc) garbage to Pd's command line in the "startup" dialog -- I haven't tried that myself.
cheers Miller
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 08:44:34PM +0200, Nicolas Montgermont wrote:
just do for midi input: pd -midiindev 1,2,3,4,5 n
Le 22/08/2014 19:41, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :
hmm, I'm curious about that nicolas - one way or another I think it'd be good to epxand this limit by default, I don't see what would be the problem for that, right?
don't know any midi merger software, any recommendations?
cheers
2014-08-22 13:09 GMT-03:00 Nicolas Montgermont <nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr mailto:nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr>:
IIRC you can have more than 4 devices if you ask for them in command line. It's just the graphical interface that is limited to 4 n Le 22/08/2014 17:41, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit : > On 22. August 2014 09:37:54 MESZ, Alexandre Torres Porres <porres@gmail.com <mailto:porres@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Hi, can we only have 4 multiple midi inputs in od? >> >> what is the workaround? >> > A midi merger (either hard or software) > > > -- http://www.nimon.org _______________________________________________ Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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"just do for midi input: pd -midiindev 1,2,3,4,5"
doesn't seem to work, is this exactly what I need to insert in the startup flags?
cheers
2014-08-22 15:44 GMT-03:00 Nicolas Montgermont <nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr
:
just do for midi input: pd -midiindev 1,2,3,4,5 n
Le 22/08/2014 19:41, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :
hmm, I'm curious about that nicolas - one way or another I think it'd be good to epxand this limit by default, I don't see what would be the problem for that, right?
don't know any midi merger software, any recommendations?
cheers
2014-08-22 13:09 GMT-03:00 Nicolas Montgermont < nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr>:
IIRC you can have more than 4 devices if you ask for them in command line. It's just the graphical interface that is limited to 4 n
Le 22/08/2014 17:41, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit :
On 22. August 2014 09:37:54 MESZ, Alexandre Torres Porres <
porres@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, can we only have 4 multiple midi inputs in od?
what is the workaround?
A midi merger (either hard or software)
Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
The startup flags should just be "-midiindev 1,2,3,4,5" (without the "pd").
cheers M
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 08:23:23PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
"just do for midi input: pd -midiindev 1,2,3,4,5"
doesn't seem to work, is this exactly what I need to insert in the startup flags?
cheers
2014-08-22 15:44 GMT-03:00 Nicolas Montgermont <nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr
:
just do for midi input: pd -midiindev 1,2,3,4,5 n
Le 22/08/2014 19:41, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :
hmm, I'm curious about that nicolas - one way or another I think it'd be good to epxand this limit by default, I don't see what would be the problem for that, right?
don't know any midi merger software, any recommendations?
cheers
2014-08-22 13:09 GMT-03:00 Nicolas Montgermont < nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr>:
IIRC you can have more than 4 devices if you ask for them in command line. It's just the graphical interface that is limited to 4 n
Le 22/08/2014 17:41, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit :
On 22. August 2014 09:37:54 MESZ, Alexandre Torres Porres <
porres@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, can we only have 4 multiple midi inputs in od?
what is the workaround?
A midi merger (either hard or software)
Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
hey, works, thought I had tried it exactly like this too, but maybe not. Now, I couldn't do it by calling the devices by name, how should I do it?
Cool, now I'm running 5 inputs, but the midiin dialog only shows the first 4 devices. Is there a way to make it show more than that?
What is the maximum number of inputs now? I assume there is a limit.
I also always wondered how the devices are numbered in a sequence - I mean, why they are listed in the order they show up. Is there a way to control the order? Same doubt applies to audio soundcard input.
This might be useful because MIDI channel number depend on this order, right?
thanks
2014-08-22 21:26 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu:
The startup flags should just be "-midiindev 1,2,3,4,5" (without the "pd").
cheers M
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 08:23:23PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
"just do for midi input: pd -midiindev 1,2,3,4,5"
doesn't seem to work, is this exactly what I need to insert in the
startup
flags?
cheers
2014-08-22 15:44 GMT-03:00 Nicolas Montgermont <
nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr
:
just do for midi input: pd -midiindev 1,2,3,4,5 n
Le 22/08/2014 19:41, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :
hmm, I'm curious about that nicolas - one way or another I think it'd
be
good to epxand this limit by default, I don't see what would be the
problem
for that, right?
don't know any midi merger software, any recommendations?
cheers
2014-08-22 13:09 GMT-03:00 Nicolas Montgermont < nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr>:
IIRC you can have more than 4 devices if you ask for them in command
line.
It's just the graphical interface that is limited to 4 n
Le 22/08/2014 17:41, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit :
On 22. August 2014 09:37:54 MESZ, Alexandre Torres Porres <
porres@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, can we only have 4 multiple midi inputs in od?
what is the workaround?
A midi merger (either hard or software)
Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management ->
What OS are you on? (I just found out there are problems finding MIDI devices by name in linux, FWIW)
thanks Miller
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 11:21:19PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
hey, works, thought I had tried it exactly like this too, but maybe not. Now, I couldn't do it by calling the devices by name, how should I do it?
Cool, now I'm running 5 inputs, but the midiin dialog only shows the first 4 devices. Is there a way to make it show more than that?
What is the maximum number of inputs now? I assume there is a limit.
I also always wondered how the devices are numbered in a sequence - I mean, why they are listed in the order they show up. Is there a way to control the order? Same doubt applies to audio soundcard input.
This might be useful because MIDI channel number depend on this order, right?
thanks
2014-08-22 21:26 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu:
The startup flags should just be "-midiindev 1,2,3,4,5" (without the "pd").
cheers M
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 08:23:23PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
"just do for midi input: pd -midiindev 1,2,3,4,5"
doesn't seem to work, is this exactly what I need to insert in the
startup
flags?
cheers
2014-08-22 15:44 GMT-03:00 Nicolas Montgermont <
nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr
:
just do for midi input: pd -midiindev 1,2,3,4,5 n
Le 22/08/2014 19:41, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :
hmm, I'm curious about that nicolas - one way or another I think it'd
be
good to epxand this limit by default, I don't see what would be the
problem
for that, right?
don't know any midi merger software, any recommendations?
cheers
2014-08-22 13:09 GMT-03:00 Nicolas Montgermont < nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr>:
IIRC you can have more than 4 devices if you ask for them in command
line.
It's just the graphical interface that is limited to 4 n
Le 22/08/2014 17:41, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit :
On 22. August 2014 09:37:54 MESZ, Alexandre Torres Porres <
porres@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, can we only have 4 multiple midi inputs in od? > > what is the workaround? > A midi merger (either hard or software)
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Mac Os 10.9
2014-08-23 2:26 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu:
What OS are you on? (I just found out there are problems finding MIDI devices by name in linux, FWIW)
thanks Miller
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 11:21:19PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
hey, works, thought I had tried it exactly like this too, but maybe not. Now, I couldn't do it by calling the devices by name, how should I do it?
Cool, now I'm running 5 inputs, but the midiin dialog only shows the
first
4 devices. Is there a way to make it show more than that?
What is the maximum number of inputs now? I assume there is a limit.
I also always wondered how the devices are numbered in a sequence - I mean, why they are listed in the order they show up. Is there a way to control the order? Same doubt applies to audio soundcard input.
This might be useful because MIDI channel number depend on this order, right?
thanks
2014-08-22 21:26 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu:
The startup flags should just be "-midiindev 1,2,3,4,5" (without the
"pd").
cheers M
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 08:23:23PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres
wrote:
"just do for midi input: pd -midiindev 1,2,3,4,5"
doesn't seem to work, is this exactly what I need to insert in the
startup
flags?
cheers
2014-08-22 15:44 GMT-03:00 Nicolas Montgermont <
nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr
:
just do for midi input: pd -midiindev 1,2,3,4,5 n
Le 22/08/2014 19:41, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :
hmm, I'm curious about that nicolas - one way or another I think
it'd
be
good to epxand this limit by default, I don't see what would be the
problem
for that, right?
don't know any midi merger software, any recommendations?
cheers
2014-08-22 13:09 GMT-03:00 Nicolas Montgermont < nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr>:
IIRC you can have more than 4 devices if you ask for them in
command
line.
It's just the graphical interface that is limited to 4 n
Le 22/08/2014 17:41, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit : > On 22. August 2014 09:37:54 MESZ, Alexandre Torres Porres < porres@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi, can we only have 4 multiple midi inputs in od? >> >> what is the workaround? >> > A midi merger (either hard or software) > > >
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... and indeed I can't get it to work either. So the only way in the GUI to specify it is numericaly (like -midiindev 1,2,3,4,5). It can be done on the sommand line (from a "terminal window" like this:
[...]/Pd-0.46-0test3.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
-midiaddindev "Logidy UMI3"
-midiaddindev "nanoKONTROL2 SLIDER/KNOB"
[etc...]
but I don't have enough MIDI devices to test it out past 4 of them. To get their names run
"[...]/Pd-0.46-0test3.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd -listdev
cheers Miller
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 09:46:04AM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Mac Os 10.9
2014-08-23 2:26 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu:
What OS are you on? (I just found out there are problems finding MIDI devices by name in linux, FWIW)
thanks Miller
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 11:21:19PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
hey, works, thought I had tried it exactly like this too, but maybe not. Now, I couldn't do it by calling the devices by name, how should I do it?
Cool, now I'm running 5 inputs, but the midiin dialog only shows the
first
4 devices. Is there a way to make it show more than that?
What is the maximum number of inputs now? I assume there is a limit.
I also always wondered how the devices are numbered in a sequence - I mean, why they are listed in the order they show up. Is there a way to control the order? Same doubt applies to audio soundcard input.
This might be useful because MIDI channel number depend on this order, right?
thanks
2014-08-22 21:26 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu:
The startup flags should just be "-midiindev 1,2,3,4,5" (without the
"pd").
cheers M
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 08:23:23PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres
wrote:
"just do for midi input: pd -midiindev 1,2,3,4,5"
doesn't seem to work, is this exactly what I need to insert in the
startup
flags?
cheers
2014-08-22 15:44 GMT-03:00 Nicolas Montgermont <
nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr
:
just do for midi input: pd -midiindev 1,2,3,4,5 n
Le 22/08/2014 19:41, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :
hmm, I'm curious about that nicolas - one way or another I think
it'd
be
good to epxand this limit by default, I don't see what would be the
problem
for that, right?
don't know any midi merger software, any recommendations?
cheers
2014-08-22 13:09 GMT-03:00 Nicolas Montgermont < nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr>:
> IIRC you can have more than 4 devices if you ask for them in
command
line.
> It's just the graphical interface that is limited to 4 > n > > > Le 22/08/2014 17:41, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit : > > On 22. August 2014 09:37:54 MESZ, Alexandre Torres Porres < > porres@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, can we only have 4 multiple midi inputs in od? > >> > >> what is the workaround? > >> > > A midi merger (either hard or software) > > > > > > > > -- > http://www.nimon.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >
Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management ->
Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management ->
Ok, and is there a limit for maximum number of inputs? I think so, but maybe not
I'm still curious how the devices are numbered in the sequence they show up
- and I wonder if there's a way to control the order.
thanks
2014-08-23 20:50 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu:
... and indeed I can't get it to work either. So the only way in the GUI to specify it is numericaly (like -midiindev 1,2,3,4,5). It can be done on the sommand line (from a "terminal window" like this:
[...]/Pd-0.46-0test3.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
-midiaddindev "Logidy UMI3"
-midiaddindev "nanoKONTROL2 SLIDER/KNOB"
[etc...]but I don't have enough MIDI devices to test it out past 4 of them. To get their names run
"[...]/Pd-0.46-0test3.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd -listdev
cheers Miller
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 09:46:04AM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Mac Os 10.9
2014-08-23 2:26 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu:
What OS are you on? (I just found out there are problems finding MIDI devices by name in linux, FWIW)
thanks Miller
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 11:21:19PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres
wrote:
hey, works, thought I had tried it exactly like this too, but maybe
not.
Now, I couldn't do it by calling the devices by name, how should I
do it?
Cool, now I'm running 5 inputs, but the midiin dialog only shows the
first
4 devices. Is there a way to make it show more than that?
What is the maximum number of inputs now? I assume there is a limit.
I also always wondered how the devices are numbered in a sequence - I mean, why they are listed in the order they show up. Is there a way
to
control the order? Same doubt applies to audio soundcard input.
This might be useful because MIDI channel number depend on this
order,
right?
thanks
2014-08-22 21:26 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu:
The startup flags should just be "-midiindev 1,2,3,4,5" (without
the
"pd").
cheers M
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 08:23:23PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres
wrote:
"just do for midi input: pd -midiindev 1,2,3,4,5"
doesn't seem to work, is this exactly what I need to insert in
the
startup
flags?
cheers
2014-08-22 15:44 GMT-03:00 Nicolas Montgermont <
nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr
>:
> just do for midi input: > pd -midiindev 1,2,3,4,5 > n > > Le 22/08/2014 19:41, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit : > > hmm, I'm curious about that nicolas - one way or another I
think
it'd
be
> good to epxand this limit by default, I don't see what would
be the
problem
> for that, right? > > don't know any midi merger software, any recommendations? > > cheers > > > 2014-08-22 13:09 GMT-03:00 Nicolas Montgermont < > nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr>: > >> IIRC you can have more than 4 devices if you ask for them in
command
line.
>> It's just the graphical interface that is limited to 4 >> n >> >> >> Le 22/08/2014 17:41, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit : >> > On 22. August 2014 09:37:54 MESZ, Alexandre Torres Porres < >> porres@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi, can we only have 4 multiple midi inputs in od? >> >> >> >> what is the workaround? >> >> >> > A midi merger (either hard or software) >> > >> > >> > >> >> -- >> http://www.nimon.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> > > > -- http://www.nimon.org > >
Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management ->
Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management ->
Limit is 32 devices, in and out. I don't think there's any way to control the order they appear in, unless the OS has something for that.
cheers M
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 11:46:54PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Ok, and is there a limit for maximum number of inputs? I think so, but maybe not
I'm still curious how the devices are numbered in the sequence they show up
- and I wonder if there's a way to control the order.
thanks
2014-08-23 20:50 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu:
... and indeed I can't get it to work either. So the only way in the GUI to specify it is numericaly (like -midiindev 1,2,3,4,5). It can be done on the sommand line (from a "terminal window" like this:
[...]/Pd-0.46-0test3.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
-midiaddindev "Logidy UMI3"
-midiaddindev "nanoKONTROL2 SLIDER/KNOB"
[etc...]but I don't have enough MIDI devices to test it out past 4 of them. To get their names run
"[...]/Pd-0.46-0test3.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd -listdev
cheers Miller
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 09:46:04AM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Mac Os 10.9
2014-08-23 2:26 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu:
What OS are you on? (I just found out there are problems finding MIDI devices by name in linux, FWIW)
thanks Miller
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 11:21:19PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres
wrote:
hey, works, thought I had tried it exactly like this too, but maybe
not.
Now, I couldn't do it by calling the devices by name, how should I
do it?
Cool, now I'm running 5 inputs, but the midiin dialog only shows the
first
4 devices. Is there a way to make it show more than that?
What is the maximum number of inputs now? I assume there is a limit.
I also always wondered how the devices are numbered in a sequence - I mean, why they are listed in the order they show up. Is there a way
to
control the order? Same doubt applies to audio soundcard input.
This might be useful because MIDI channel number depend on this
order,
right?
thanks
2014-08-22 21:26 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu:
The startup flags should just be "-midiindev 1,2,3,4,5" (without
the
"pd").
cheers M
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 08:23:23PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres
wrote:
> "just do for midi input: > pd -midiindev 1,2,3,4,5" > > doesn't seem to work, is this exactly what I need to insert in
the
startup > flags? > > cheers > > > 2014-08-22 15:44 GMT-03:00 Nicolas Montgermont < nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr > >: > > > just do for midi input: > > pd -midiindev 1,2,3,4,5 > > n > > > > Le 22/08/2014 19:41, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit : > > > > hmm, I'm curious about that nicolas - one way or another I
think
it'd
be > > good to epxand this limit by default, I don't see what would
be the
problem > > for that, right? > > > > don't know any midi merger software, any recommendations? > > > > cheers > > > > > > 2014-08-22 13:09 GMT-03:00 Nicolas Montgermont < > > nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr>: > > > >> IIRC you can have more than 4 devices if you ask for them in
command
line. > >> It's just the graphical interface that is limited to 4 > >> n > >> > >> > >> Le 22/08/2014 17:41, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit : > >> > On 22. August 2014 09:37:54 MESZ, Alexandre Torres Porres < > >> porres@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Hi, can we only have 4 multiple midi inputs in od? > >> >> > >> >> what is the workaround? > >> >> > >> > A midi merger (either hard or software) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> http://www.nimon.org > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > >> > > > > > > -- http://www.nimon.org > > > >
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but I don't have enough MIDI devices to test it out past 4 of them. To get their names run
I have one that calls for 3 ports (Qnexus), and another for 2 (BCF) so the two alonw gac go over 4 :)
2014-08-23 20:50 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu:
... and indeed I can't get it to work either. So the only way in the GUI to specify it is numericaly (like -midiindev 1,2,3,4,5). It can be done on the sommand line (from a "terminal window" like this:
[...]/Pd-0.46-0test3.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
-midiaddindev "Logidy UMI3"
-midiaddindev "nanoKONTROL2 SLIDER/KNOB"
[etc...]but I don't have enough MIDI devices to test it out past 4 of them. To get their names run
"[...]/Pd-0.46-0test3.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd -listdev
cheers Miller
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 09:46:04AM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Mac Os 10.9
2014-08-23 2:26 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu:
What OS are you on? (I just found out there are problems finding MIDI devices by name in linux, FWIW)
thanks Miller
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 11:21:19PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres
wrote:
hey, works, thought I had tried it exactly like this too, but maybe
not.
Now, I couldn't do it by calling the devices by name, how should I
do it?
Cool, now I'm running 5 inputs, but the midiin dialog only shows the
first
4 devices. Is there a way to make it show more than that?
What is the maximum number of inputs now? I assume there is a limit.
I also always wondered how the devices are numbered in a sequence - I mean, why they are listed in the order they show up. Is there a way
to
control the order? Same doubt applies to audio soundcard input.
This might be useful because MIDI channel number depend on this
order,
right?
thanks
2014-08-22 21:26 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu:
The startup flags should just be "-midiindev 1,2,3,4,5" (without
the
"pd").
cheers M
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 08:23:23PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres
wrote:
"just do for midi input: pd -midiindev 1,2,3,4,5"
doesn't seem to work, is this exactly what I need to insert in
the
startup
flags?
cheers
2014-08-22 15:44 GMT-03:00 Nicolas Montgermont <
nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr
>:
> just do for midi input: > pd -midiindev 1,2,3,4,5 > n > > Le 22/08/2014 19:41, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit : > > hmm, I'm curious about that nicolas - one way or another I
think
it'd
be
> good to epxand this limit by default, I don't see what would
be the
problem
> for that, right? > > don't know any midi merger software, any recommendations? > > cheers > > > 2014-08-22 13:09 GMT-03:00 Nicolas Montgermont < > nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr>: > >> IIRC you can have more than 4 devices if you ask for them in
command
line.
>> It's just the graphical interface that is limited to 4 >> n >> >> >> Le 22/08/2014 17:41, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit : >> > On 22. August 2014 09:37:54 MESZ, Alexandre Torres Porres < >> porres@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi, can we only have 4 multiple midi inputs in od? >> >> >> >> what is the workaround? >> >> >> > A midi merger (either hard or software) >> > >> > >> > >> >> -- >> http://www.nimon.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> > > > -- http://www.nimon.org > >
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Hmm - I had thought (in '98 or so) that MIDI was gradually disappearing and the age of multiple MIDI devices was ending. But now I guess with all those USB "MIDI' devices coming around I need to imagine a future that will never be MIDI free.
It would be easy for me to increase the number of possible deviced in the MIDI dialog to some other arbitrary number... but I have no idea what would be a good one (7? 9?) - at some point it gets unmanageable (and makes the window too big for anyone with a very small screen to work with).
So here's a question for Pd users everywhere - if you have more than 4 MIDI devices on your systems, how many do you actualy have?
cheers Miller
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 02:29:26AM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
but I don't have enough MIDI devices to test it out past 4 of them. To get their names run
I have one that calls for 3 ports (Qnexus), and another for 2 (BCF) so the two alonw gac go over 4 :)
Hi Miller,
the box that I'm building with pd uses 4 MIDI devices - 2 x MIDI, 2x MIDI over USB. With the growing number of wireless MIDI over USB footswitches, USB-MIDI CC pedales, etc. a number of 8 input devices sounds like a good idea.
In the good old days (90's) I would have never made it with less than 16 MIDI in/outs ...
The problem that I'm fighting with (in Ubuntu) is still the order of the devices. Modprobe.d looks like the only way for now. UDEV doesn't seem to be reliable.
Here's a serious problem: when MIDI3 is not present MIDI4 is taking the place of MIDI3 and all numberings shift down by 1 which makes reliable numbering impossible. (So when I heard that using the device names was possible I was pretty excited - looks like it's not working, though. :-(
What about a system of virtual MIDI ports that could assign device names to fixed MIDI port numbers?
Ingo
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Pd-list [mailto:pd-list-bounces@lists.iem.at] Im Auftrag von Miller Puckette Gesendet: Sonntag, 24. August 2014 20:56 An: Alexandre Torres Porres Cc: Nicolas Montgermont; pd-list@lists.iem.at Betreff: Re: [PD] max midi in devices
Hmm - I had thought (in '98 or so) that MIDI was gradually disappearing and the age of multiple MIDI devices was ending. But now I guess with all those USB "MIDI' devices coming around I need to imagine a future that will never be MIDI free.
It would be easy for me to increase the number of possible deviced in the MIDI dialog to some other arbitrary number... but I have no idea what would be a good one (7? 9?) - at some point it gets unmanageable (and makes the window too big for anyone with a very small screen to work with).
So here's a question for Pd users everywhere - if you have more than 4 MIDI devices on your systems, how many do you actualy have?
cheers Miller
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 02:29:26AM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
but I don't have enough MIDI devices to test it out past 4 of them. To get their names run
I have one that calls for 3 ports (Qnexus), and another for 2 (BCF) so
the
two alonw gac go over 4 :)
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I think the problem in Linux is that the "old fashioned" /dev/midi* interface (traditionally but incorrectly callesd "OSS") doesn't give applications any way to get the names of the MIDI devices.
The "ALSA" midi code (which I think was contributed long ago by Guenter Geiger) doesn't seem to support any way of selecting devices - I believe it just opens them all.
cheers Miller
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 10:07:30PM +0200, Ingo wrote:
Hi Miller,
the box that I'm building with pd uses 4 MIDI devices - 2 x MIDI, 2x MIDI over USB. With the growing number of wireless MIDI over USB footswitches, USB-MIDI CC pedales, etc. a number of 8 input devices sounds like a good idea.
In the good old days (90's) I would have never made it with less than 16 MIDI in/outs ...
The problem that I'm fighting with (in Ubuntu) is still the order of the devices. Modprobe.d looks like the only way for now. UDEV doesn't seem to be reliable.
Here's a serious problem: when MIDI3 is not present MIDI4 is taking the place of MIDI3 and all numberings shift down by 1 which makes reliable numbering impossible. (So when I heard that using the device names was possible I was pretty excited - looks like it's not working, though. :-(
What about a system of virtual MIDI ports that could assign device names to fixed MIDI port numbers?
Ingo
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Pd-list [mailto:pd-list-bounces@lists.iem.at] Im Auftrag von Miller Puckette Gesendet: Sonntag, 24. August 2014 20:56 An: Alexandre Torres Porres Cc: Nicolas Montgermont; pd-list@lists.iem.at Betreff: Re: [PD] max midi in devices
Hmm - I had thought (in '98 or so) that MIDI was gradually disappearing and the age of multiple MIDI devices was ending. But now I guess with all those USB "MIDI' devices coming around I need to imagine a future that will never be MIDI free.
It would be easy for me to increase the number of possible deviced in the MIDI dialog to some other arbitrary number... but I have no idea what would be a good one (7? 9?) - at some point it gets unmanageable (and makes the window too big for anyone with a very small screen to work with).
So here's a question for Pd users everywhere - if you have more than 4 MIDI devices on your systems, how many do you actualy have?
cheers Miller
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 02:29:26AM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
but I don't have enough MIDI devices to test it out past 4 of them. To get their names run
I have one that calls for 3 ports (Qnexus), and another for 2 (BCF) so
the
two alonw gac go over 4 :)
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hello,
I think the OSS midi system have been removed from ubuntu after 12.04.
about alsa, pd create devices. then they have to be connected using specific tools like aconnect or aconnectgui. an iem external is also dedicated to this task.
according to aconnectgui, multiples devices out can be routed to a single midi input.
cheers c
Le 24/08/2014 22:53, Miller Puckette a écrit :
I think the problem in Linux is that the "old fashioned" /dev/midi* interface (traditionally but incorrectly callesd "OSS") doesn't give applications any way to get the names of the MIDI devices.
The "ALSA" midi code (which I think was contributed long ago by Guenter Geiger) doesn't seem to support any way of selecting devices - I believe it just opens them all.
cheers Miller
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 10:07:30PM +0200, Ingo wrote:
Hi Miller,
the box that I'm building with pd uses 4 MIDI devices - 2 x MIDI, 2x MIDI over USB. With the growing number of wireless MIDI over USB footswitches, USB-MIDI CC pedales, etc. a number of 8 input devices sounds like a good idea.
In the good old days (90's) I would have never made it with less than 16 MIDI in/outs ...
The problem that I'm fighting with (in Ubuntu) is still the order of the devices. Modprobe.d looks like the only way for now. UDEV doesn't seem to be reliable.
Here's a serious problem: when MIDI3 is not present MIDI4 is taking the place of MIDI3 and all numberings shift down by 1 which makes reliable numbering impossible. (So when I heard that using the device names was possible I was pretty excited - looks like it's not working, though. :-(
What about a system of virtual MIDI ports that could assign device names to fixed MIDI port numbers?
Ingo
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Pd-list [mailto:pd-list-bounces@lists.iem.at] Im Auftrag von Miller Puckette Gesendet: Sonntag, 24. August 2014 20:56 An: Alexandre Torres Porres Cc: Nicolas Montgermont; pd-list@lists.iem.at Betreff: Re: [PD] max midi in devices
Hmm - I had thought (in '98 or so) that MIDI was gradually disappearing and the age of multiple MIDI devices was ending. But now I guess with all those USB "MIDI' devices coming around I need to imagine a future that will never be MIDI free.
It would be easy for me to increase the number of possible deviced in the MIDI dialog to some other arbitrary number... but I have no idea what would be a good one (7? 9?) - at some point it gets unmanageable (and makes the window too big for anyone with a very small screen to work with).
So here's a question for Pd users everywhere - if you have more than 4 MIDI devices on your systems, how many do you actualy have?
cheers Miller
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 02:29:26AM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
but I don't have enough MIDI devices to test it out past 4 of them. To get their names run
I have one that calls for 3 ports (Qnexus), and another for 2 (BCF) so
the
two alonw gac go over 4 :)
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On 2014-08-25 09:54, Cyrille Henry wrote:
according to aconnectgui, multiples devices out can be routed to a single midi input.
this is what i meant with "software midi merger".
fgasdr IOhannes
well, I'm increasing my device numbers, I'm using about 5 or 6 different devices and some of them use more than one port.
Perhaps a nice way would be to have a buttom that adds another device one by one as needed. Or maybe split into two columns the inputs and outputs. I don't think a small screen size would be that much of an issue.
cheers
2014-08-24 17:07 GMT-03:00 Ingo ingo@miamiwave.com:
Hi Miller,
the box that I'm building with pd uses 4 MIDI devices - 2 x MIDI, 2x MIDI over USB. With the growing number of wireless MIDI over USB footswitches, USB-MIDI CC pedales, etc. a number of 8 input devices sounds like a good idea.
In the good old days (90's) I would have never made it with less than 16 MIDI in/outs ...
The problem that I'm fighting with (in Ubuntu) is still the order of the devices. Modprobe.d looks like the only way for now. UDEV doesn't seem to be reliable.
Here's a serious problem: when MIDI3 is not present MIDI4 is taking the place of MIDI3 and all numberings shift down by 1 which makes reliable numbering impossible. (So when I heard that using the device names was possible I was pretty excited - looks like it's not working, though. :-(
What about a system of virtual MIDI ports that could assign device names to fixed MIDI port numbers?
Ingo
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Pd-list [mailto:pd-list-bounces@lists.iem.at] Im Auftrag von Miller Puckette Gesendet: Sonntag, 24. August 2014 20:56 An: Alexandre Torres Porres Cc: Nicolas Montgermont; pd-list@lists.iem.at Betreff: Re: [PD] max midi in devices
Hmm - I had thought (in '98 or so) that MIDI was gradually disappearing and the age of multiple MIDI devices was ending. But now I guess with all those USB "MIDI' devices coming around I need to imagine a future
that
will never be MIDI free.
It would be easy for me to increase the number of possible deviced in the MIDI dialog to some other arbitrary number... but I have no idea what would be a good one (7? 9?) - at some point it gets unmanageable (and makes the window too big for anyone with a very small screen to work with).
So here's a question for Pd users everywhere - if you have more than 4 MIDI devices on your systems, how many do you actualy have?
cheers Miller
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 02:29:26AM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
but I don't have enough MIDI devices to test it out past 4 of them. To get their names run
I have one that calls for 3 ports (Qnexus), and another for 2 (BCF) so
the
two alonw gac go over 4 :)
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OK - it's easier to make a fixed number of devices and just make it larger - I'm nervous about making it unlimited because that would mean re-writing some stuff as loops and that's too much coding for me to do in a test release (too likely to introduce new bugs). So I'll do that for now and try to get a better fix into a later release.
cheers M
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 05:57:18PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
well, I'm increasing my device numbers, I'm using about 5 or 6 different devices and some of them use more than one port.
Perhaps a nice way would be to have a buttom that adds another device one by one as needed. Or maybe split into two columns the inputs and outputs. I don't think a small screen size would be that much of an issue.
cheers
2014-08-24 17:07 GMT-03:00 Ingo ingo@miamiwave.com:
Hi Miller,
the box that I'm building with pd uses 4 MIDI devices - 2 x MIDI, 2x MIDI over USB. With the growing number of wireless MIDI over USB footswitches, USB-MIDI CC pedales, etc. a number of 8 input devices sounds like a good idea.
In the good old days (90's) I would have never made it with less than 16 MIDI in/outs ...
The problem that I'm fighting with (in Ubuntu) is still the order of the devices. Modprobe.d looks like the only way for now. UDEV doesn't seem to be reliable.
Here's a serious problem: when MIDI3 is not present MIDI4 is taking the place of MIDI3 and all numberings shift down by 1 which makes reliable numbering impossible. (So when I heard that using the device names was possible I was pretty excited - looks like it's not working, though. :-(
What about a system of virtual MIDI ports that could assign device names to fixed MIDI port numbers?
Ingo
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Pd-list [mailto:pd-list-bounces@lists.iem.at] Im Auftrag von Miller Puckette Gesendet: Sonntag, 24. August 2014 20:56 An: Alexandre Torres Porres Cc: Nicolas Montgermont; pd-list@lists.iem.at Betreff: Re: [PD] max midi in devices
Hmm - I had thought (in '98 or so) that MIDI was gradually disappearing and the age of multiple MIDI devices was ending. But now I guess with all those USB "MIDI' devices coming around I need to imagine a future
that
will never be MIDI free.
It would be easy for me to increase the number of possible deviced in the MIDI dialog to some other arbitrary number... but I have no idea what would be a good one (7? 9?) - at some point it gets unmanageable (and makes the window too big for anyone with a very small screen to work with).
So here's a question for Pd users everywhere - if you have more than 4 MIDI devices on your systems, how many do you actualy have?
cheers Miller
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 02:29:26AM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
but I don't have enough MIDI devices to test it out past 4 of them. To get their names run
I have one that calls for 3 ports (Qnexus), and another for 2 (BCF) so
the
two alonw gac go over 4 :)
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On 2014-08-24 22:07, Ingo wrote:
In the good old days (90's) I would have never made it with less than 16 MIDI in/outs ...
hold on.
since MIDI has 16 channels, does that mean that you had actually a need to address 256 channels?
i understand the need to plug many devices, but i don't really see why you cannot plug them into a single (logical) port.
there must be simple "midi router" software for each major platform available.
fgasdmr IOhannes
Back then (90's) I had racks of synth that needed to be connected both ways to software editors and sequencers, many MIDI controlled effects, Eqs, routers, etc. All connectd both ways for editing.
I had to connect two MIDI interfaces with 8x8 in/outs. All of those used to have their own port.
I wasn't using Pd at that time, though. Nowadays most synths got replaced by plugins and only the controllers need to be connected by MIDI (or MIDI over USB).
Since the majority of the DAWs don't understand anything but MIDI and neither do most musicians understand anything more complicated than MIDI I'm assuming that MIDI will stay for quite some more time.
Now that many manufacturers are building MIDI controllers (apart from keyboards, MIDI guitars, wind controllers, etc.) like a single foot pedal, a single foot switch or gesture control using a full MIDI interface over USB the number will be growing again. I'm pretty sure of that.
Instead of connecting one arduino that can handle 30-40 sensors each controller uses its own MIDI interface.
Ingo
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On 2014-08-24 22:07, Ingo wrote:
In the good old days (90's) I would have never made it with less than 16 MIDI in/outs ...
hold on.
since MIDI has 16 channels, does that mean that you had actually a need to address 256 channels?
i understand the need to plug many devices, but i don't really see why you cannot plug them into a single (logical) port.
there must be simple "midi router" software for each major platform available.
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On 2014-08-25 12:00, Ingo wrote: [...]
Now that many manufacturers are building MIDI controllers (apart from keyboards, MIDI guitars, wind controllers, etc.) like a single foot pedal, a single foot switch or gesture control using a full MIDI interface over USB the number will be growing again. I'm pretty sure of that.
Instead of connecting one arduino that can handle 30-40 sensors each controller uses its own MIDI interface.
agreed to all of it.
my question was somewhat different: is it necessary to have Pd provide MIDI-ports for each device, or is it better/simpler/... to have all those devices appear on a *few* ports.
let's have an example, connecting a footswitch, a keyboard and a BCF2000 (in some 3-input mode).
if we have each of these assigned to a separate port, the MIDI-messages will appear in Pd as:
- footswitch: channels 1..16
- keyboard: channels 17..32
- BCF2000: channels 33..80
obviously this only works if we get the device order correct (that is: persistent across reboots).
using a MIDI-merger and proper device setup we might as well have all of them come through a single port:
- footswitch: channel 1; CC 64
- keyboard: channels 1..16; noteon/off
- BCF2000: channels 1; CC1..16; channels 17..32 for other ports
this will work regardless of whether Pd (or the system) is able to keep the device order consistent.
i do think that the 2nd method is superior. obviously, it is easy to construct use cases where this setup is not enough. but i think these are edge-case, and we should not reserve too much screen estate for things that will hardly ever be used. (however, it should/must be possible to handle these things in an *advanced* mode (e.g. via cmdline args)
fgmad IOhannes
For me Pd handles it like your second case anyway whether you have a single or multiple interfaces. At least I'm receiving normal MIDI messages that way (using OSS MIDI). If there is another way I'd be interested in finding out. Alsa MIDI was causing problems here recognizing multi in/out MIDI interfaces in a reproducable order.
Whether you need more than one physical MIDI cable/interface depends on the amount of traffic that you are generating. And also on the timing precision needed.
I'm working mostly with wind controllers like the EWI that can send up to 600 midi messages (breath, pitchbend, modulation, etc.) per second. Sending MIDI from two of those on one physical MIDI bus will already create a bus overflow since the MIDI bus can only handle roughly 1000 CCs per second. A merger would be useless in this case. Timing gets absolutely unpredictable for the player at this point. It could even go as far as making the interface unresponsive or causing delays of several seconds caused by the full MIDI buffer.
Playing this renaissance 4 part brass quartett from a sequencer needs 2 MIDI interfaces going to Pd. Otherwise the timing is way off or the MIDI interface even stops working altogether and needs to be disconnected from power to reset the buffer: www.dynasample.com/demos/XPression-Brass_(Dowland).mp3 (This only works on two only cables because there is no pitchbending used. For Jazz with much more bending we'd be looking at MIDI overflows already.)
Since different MIDI controllers like an EWI, a keyboard and a MIDI guitar have to be able to be set up at the same time (in "my" particular case) and usable in parallel multiple physical MIDI ports are necessary to avoid timing problems with realtime (traditional) MIDI intrument playing while expecting a usable timing. That said MIDI over USB can handle multiple MIDI busses at the same time. So a USB interface with multiple ins will work. My OSS MIDI doesn't seem to be able to see these multiple ports, though. I might have to give ALSA MIDI another try maybe. But until now I got the best results with OSS MIDI and single USB2MIDI interfaces.
This is of course totally different in a situation where CC messages are much more spaced out or you're not using timing critical sensors simultaneously. Like when using only a couple of switches, note triggers, etc.
Ingo
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On 2014-08-25 12:00, Ingo wrote: [...]
Now that many manufacturers are building MIDI controllers (apart from keyboards, MIDI guitars, wind controllers, etc.) like a single foot pedal, a single foot switch or gesture control using a full MIDI interface over USB the number will be growing again. I'm pretty sure of that.
Instead of connecting one arduino that can handle 30-40 sensors each controller uses its own MIDI interface.
agreed to all of it.
my question was somewhat different: is it necessary to have Pd provide MIDI-ports for each device, or is it better/simpler/... to have all those devices appear on a *few* ports.
let's have an example, connecting a footswitch, a keyboard and a BCF2000 (in some 3-input mode).
if we have each of these assigned to a separate port, the MIDI-messages will appear in Pd as:
- footswitch: channels 1..16
- keyboard: channels 17..32
- BCF2000: channels 33..80
obviously this only works if we get the device order correct (that is: persistent across reboots).
using a MIDI-merger and proper device setup we might as well have all of them come through a single port:
- footswitch: channel 1; CC 64
- keyboard: channels 1..16; noteon/off
- BCF2000: channels 1; CC1..16; channels 17..32 for other ports
this will work regardless of whether Pd (or the system) is able to keep the device order consistent.
i do think that the 2nd method is superior. obviously, it is easy to construct use cases where this setup is not enough. but i think these are edge-case, and we should not reserve too much screen estate for things that will hardly ever be used. (however, it should/must be possible to handle these things in an *advanced* mode (e.g. via cmdline args)
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On 2014-08-25 14:05, Ingo wrote:
Alsa MIDI was causing problems here recognizing multi in/out MIDI interfaces in a reproducable order.
have you reported a bug? if it's reproducible, it might be fixable as well...
Whether you need more than one physical MIDI cable/interface depends on the amount of traffic that you are generating. And also on the timing precision needed.
yes. that's why i'm talking about logical MIDI ports rather than physical ports. i assume that these logical ports do not suffer from timing problem (as the serial link speed of MIDI does not apply).
For me Pd handles it like your second case anyway whether you have a
single
or multiple interfaces. At least I'm receiving normal MIDI messages
that way
(using OSS MIDI). If there is another way I'd be interested in
finding out.
as cyrille has pointed out, OSS MIDI is really fading out of linux distros.
but in any case, if you are specifying multiple MIDI devices and all are merged within Pd, this sounds like a bug to me (though i might be wrong), as this is inconsistent with e.g. ALSA MIDI, where you get a new "port" (with a new range of 16 channels).
fgmasd IOhannes
I'm learning that the world of MIDI applications is a lot more complicated than I thought...
I don't think using 'OSS MIDI' that there's any way to prevent having the order of the devices switch around - and there seems to be no way to get meaningful names for them either.
I've been hacking on the ASA MIDI code in Pd too, and found the situation highly confusing. Apparently in Pd the first ALSA midi device is 'default' and ones after that are virtual ports that Pd creates (there's other mail in this thread somewhere about that). I'm just now trying to figure it out.
Meanwhile, I hope you can just get the very latest Pd from git and try
pd -alsamidi -mididev 1,2,3,4,5
to make Pd open the 'defaul' plus 4 virtual ports for connecting to stuff.
(in fact, I see the ports open but can't figure out how to do anything with them just yet.)
cheers Miller
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 02:05:44PM +0200, Ingo wrote:
For me Pd handles it like your second case anyway whether you have a single or multiple interfaces. At least I'm receiving normal MIDI messages that way (using OSS MIDI). If there is another way I'd be interested in finding out. Alsa MIDI was causing problems here recognizing multi in/out MIDI interfaces in a reproducable order.
Whether you need more than one physical MIDI cable/interface depends on the amount of traffic that you are generating. And also on the timing precision needed.
I'm working mostly with wind controllers like the EWI that can send up to 600 midi messages (breath, pitchbend, modulation, etc.) per second. Sending MIDI from two of those on one physical MIDI bus will already create a bus overflow since the MIDI bus can only handle roughly 1000 CCs per second. A merger would be useless in this case. Timing gets absolutely unpredictable for the player at this point. It could even go as far as making the interface unresponsive or causing delays of several seconds caused by the full MIDI buffer.
Playing this renaissance 4 part brass quartett from a sequencer needs 2 MIDI interfaces going to Pd. Otherwise the timing is way off or the MIDI interface even stops working altogether and needs to be disconnected from power to reset the buffer: www.dynasample.com/demos/XPression-Brass_(Dowland).mp3 (This only works on two only cables because there is no pitchbending used. For Jazz with much more bending we'd be looking at MIDI overflows already.)
Since different MIDI controllers like an EWI, a keyboard and a MIDI guitar have to be able to be set up at the same time (in "my" particular case) and usable in parallel multiple physical MIDI ports are necessary to avoid timing problems with realtime (traditional) MIDI intrument playing while expecting a usable timing. That said MIDI over USB can handle multiple MIDI busses at the same time. So a USB interface with multiple ins will work. My OSS MIDI doesn't seem to be able to see these multiple ports, though. I might have to give ALSA MIDI another try maybe. But until now I got the best results with OSS MIDI and single USB2MIDI interfaces.
This is of course totally different in a situation where CC messages are much more spaced out or you're not using timing critical sensors simultaneously. Like when using only a couple of switches, note triggers, etc.
Ingo
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On 2014-08-25 12:00, Ingo wrote: [...]
Now that many manufacturers are building MIDI controllers (apart from keyboards, MIDI guitars, wind controllers, etc.) like a single foot pedal, a single foot switch or gesture control using a full MIDI interface over USB the number will be growing again. I'm pretty sure of that.
Instead of connecting one arduino that can handle 30-40 sensors each controller uses its own MIDI interface.
agreed to all of it.
my question was somewhat different: is it necessary to have Pd provide MIDI-ports for each device, or is it better/simpler/... to have all those devices appear on a *few* ports.
let's have an example, connecting a footswitch, a keyboard and a BCF2000 (in some 3-input mode).
if we have each of these assigned to a separate port, the MIDI-messages will appear in Pd as:
- footswitch: channels 1..16
- keyboard: channels 17..32
- BCF2000: channels 33..80
obviously this only works if we get the device order correct (that is: persistent across reboots).
using a MIDI-merger and proper device setup we might as well have all of them come through a single port:
- footswitch: channel 1; CC 64
- keyboard: channels 1..16; noteon/off
- BCF2000: channels 1; CC1..16; channels 17..32 for other ports
this will work regardless of whether Pd (or the system) is able to keep the device order consistent.
i do think that the 2nd method is superior. obviously, it is easy to construct use cases where this setup is not enough. but i think these are edge-case, and we should not reserve too much screen estate for things that will hardly ever be used. (however, it should/must be possible to handle these things in an *advanced* mode (e.g. via cmdline args)
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OK... now up to test5... grab it on http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.html
Should have fixed the pipe crash bug; and I've tinkered some more with MIDI device selection (particularly for ALSA). The dialog can deal with up to 9 devices (you can get up to 32 form the command line).
Also fixed oscparse to unpack 'bundle' OSC messages.
works great!
Thanks :)
https://archive.org/details/belphegor43-2.pd-0.46.0
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu wrote:
OK... now up to test5... grab it on http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.html
Should have fixed the pipe crash bug; and I've tinkered some more with MIDI device selection (particularly for ALSA). The dialog can deal with up to 9 devices (you can get up to 32 form the command line).
Also fixed oscparse to unpack 'bundle' OSC messages.
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*Now that many manufacturers are building MIDI controllers (apart fromkeyboards, MIDI guitars, wind controllers, etc.) like a single foot pedal, asingle foot switch or gesture control using a full MIDI interface over USBthe number will be growing again. I'm pretty sure of that.*
Yeah, I'm guilty of that, I've been buying a couple of these http://www.audiofront.net/MIDIExpression.php
You can plug in any footswitch and it works plug and play as MIDI via USB. It's nice cause sometimes you need a big controller just so you can use the footswitch/expression input, and actually most of cheap MIDI gear won't have it, or maybe just one. Yeah you can do stuff with arduino and plug them in it I suppose, but I'm just lazy with arduino - guess you can build the switches easily too (even lazier with that). So I might end up with 4 of these someday :)
cheers
2014-08-25 7:00 GMT-03:00 Ingo ingo@miamiwave.com:
Back then (90's) I had racks of synth that needed to be connected both ways to software editors and sequencers, many MIDI controlled effects, Eqs, routers, etc. All connectd both ways for editing.
I had to connect two MIDI interfaces with 8x8 in/outs. All of those used to have their own port.
I wasn't using Pd at that time, though. Nowadays most synths got replaced by plugins and only the controllers need to be connected by MIDI (or MIDI over USB).
Since the majority of the DAWs don't understand anything but MIDI and neither do most musicians understand anything more complicated than MIDI I'm assuming that MIDI will stay for quite some more time.
Now that many manufacturers are building MIDI controllers (apart from keyboards, MIDI guitars, wind controllers, etc.) like a single foot pedal, a single foot switch or gesture control using a full MIDI interface over USB the number will be growing again. I'm pretty sure of that.
Instead of connecting one arduino that can handle 30-40 sensors each controller uses its own MIDI interface.
Ingo
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On 2014-08-24 22:07, Ingo wrote:
In the good old days (90's) I would have never made it with less than 16 MIDI in/outs ...
hold on.
since MIDI has 16 channels, does that mean that you had actually a need to address 256 channels?
i understand the need to plug many devices, but i don't really see why you cannot plug them into a single (logical) port.
there must be simple "midi router" software for each major platform available.
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sometimes, up to about 10. Multiple Korg NANO (kontrols, pads), ordinary MIDI keyboard. /m
On 24 Aug 2014, at 19:55, Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu wrote:
Hmm - I had thought (in '98 or so) that MIDI was gradually disappearing and the age of multiple MIDI devices was ending. But now I guess with all those USB "MIDI' devices coming around I need to imagine a future that will never be MIDI free.
It would be easy for me to increase the number of possible deviced in the MIDI dialog to some other arbitrary number... but I have no idea what would be a good one (7? 9?) - at some point it gets unmanageable (and makes the window too big for anyone with a very small screen to work with).
So here's a question for Pd users everywhere - if you have more than 4 MIDI devices on your systems, how many do you actualy have?
cheers Miller
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 02:29:26AM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
but I don't have enough MIDI devices to test it out past 4 of them. To get their names run
I have one that calls for 3 ports (Qnexus), and another for 2 (BCF) so the two alonw gac go over 4 :)
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On 2014-08-24 20:55, Miller Puckette wrote:
But now I guess [...] I need to imagine a future that will never be MIDI free.
oh no.
fgmasdrt IOhannes
... but I did find and fix some more bugs in MIDI input parsing that will show up in test4.
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