Hi all, i'm trying to move all my music apps to 64 bit on Windows (it's the standard and more softwares are adbandoning the 32 bit version) I would really like to try both moonlib and the oliver's abtraction. But everything rely on 32 bits library. Hope to get some 64x version soon. Pd 0.48.2 works fine on Win 64x as a 64x application. A little number of libraries (else, cyclone ) are already compiled for 64x. I hope more and more will follow. I even could help compiling and try to get the knowledge (pd lib builder ) to try some 64x compling.

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On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 2:47 PM Antoine Rousseau antoine@metalu.net wrote:

Thanks for recommending mknob ;-)

I'd like to do an update of moonlib soon, as it has received some improvements: sfread2~ understands a new [index( message (thx to Antoine Villeret), and mknob now better supports zooming.

About the latter, I'd like to hear your opinion (you all mknob users...) about the following problem (and the solution I propose):

mknob poses a particular problem: because its circular shape doesn't comply to Pd graphical paradigm (every other objects are rectangular shaped), iolets are floating in an empty space near the knob; because it's visually ugly, and I don't want to surround the knob with a rectangular box, I chose not to draw the iolets, even when the mknob is not bounded to receive/send symbols. The problem (for explicitly connected knobs) is now that it's somewhat tricky to guess where you have to draw the connection to/from, and that the wire connects to/from nowhere. This is acceptable for small knob, but when it becomes bigger it's really weird.

So the only idea I see (apart from hacking Pd sources...) is to setup 3 inlets and 3 outlets, so that you can connect from/to the one in the middle; the wire is then actually connected to the circle. I succeeded to code this behaviour, keeping to possibility to use any inlet and sending to the three outlets. It's maybe a little far-fetched, but its works. What do you think of it?

Antoine Rousseau http://www.metalu.net http://metalu.net __ http://www.metaluachahuter.com/ http://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/al1-ant1/

Le ven. 7 sept. 2018 à 13:05, Christof Ressi christof.ressi@gmx.at a écrit :

...

I recommend mknob from moonlib, but make sure you get the latest version from deken for pd >= 0.47

Christof

...

Gesendet: Freitag, 07. September 2018 um 12:59 Uhr Von: Clemens reinklang@online.de An: Pd-list@lists.iem.at Betreff: [PD] Slider/Knob

Hello List,

I would like to use knobs instead of sliders,

where can I find them?

Cheers

Clemens

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Thanks Lucas, i already have a msys2 with mingw64 set on my system. Do you suggest me do go that way instead of VS or Code::Blocks with mingw64

Il ven 7 set 2018, 16:07 Lucas Cordiviola lucarda27@hotmail.com ha scritto:

Hi Alfonso,

Back in March, when we got w64 Pd to work and also we tweaked the nuts and bolts of pd-lib-builder, I did some preliminary work on compiling many libs (all 00-extended) for w64. I got in to troubles and found some solutions. May be this week (or next) I'll revisit my files and try to upload them to Deken.

I did all the stuff with Msys2.

Keep in mind that for modern libs that already use pd-lib-builder compiling them for w64 is really straight forward.

:)

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On 9/7/2018 9:57 AM, alfonso santimone wrote:

Hi all, i'm trying to move all my music apps to 64 bit on Windows (it's the standard and more softwares are adbandoning the 32 bit version) I would really like to try both moonlib and the oliver's abtraction. But everything rely on 32 bits library. Hope to get some 64x version soon. Pd 0.48.2 works fine on Win 64x as a 64x application. A little number of libraries (else, cyclone ) are already compiled for 64x. I hope more and more will follow. I even could help compiling and try to get the knowledge (pd lib builder ) to try some 64x compling.

a. www.elgallorojorecords.com soundcloud.com/alfonsosantimone www.facebook.com/alfonsosantimone

On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 2:47 PM Antoine Rousseau antoine@metalu.net wrote:

...

Thanks for recommending mknob ;-)

I'd like to do an update of moonlib soon, as it has received some improvements: sfread2~ understands a new [index( message (thx to Antoine Villeret), and mknob now better supports zooming.

About the latter, I'd like to hear your opinion (you all mknob users...) about the following problem (and the solution I propose):

mknob poses a particular problem: because its circular shape doesn't comply to Pd graphical paradigm (every other objects are rectangular shaped), iolets are floating in an empty space near the knob; because it's visually ugly, and I don't want to surround the knob with a rectangular box, I chose not to draw the iolets, even when the mknob is not bounded to receive/send symbols. The problem (for explicitly connected knobs) is now that it's somewhat tricky to guess where you have to draw the connection to/from, and that the wire connects to/from nowhere. This is acceptable for small knob, but when it becomes bigger it's really weird.

So the only idea I see (apart from hacking Pd sources...) is to setup 3 inlets and 3 outlets, so that you can connect from/to the one in the middle; the wire is then actually connected to the circle. I succeeded to code this behaviour, keeping to possibility to use any inlet and sending to the three outlets. It's maybe a little far-fetched, but its works. What do you think of it?

Antoine Rousseau http://www.metalu.net http://metalu.net __ http://www.metaluachahuter.com/ http://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/al1-ant1/

Le ven. 7 sept. 2018 à 13:05, Christof Ressi christof.ressi@gmx.at a écrit :

...

I recommend mknob from moonlib, but make sure you get the latest version from deken for pd >= 0.47

Christof

...

Gesendet: Freitag, 07. September 2018 um 12:59 Uhr Von: Clemens reinklang@online.de An: Pd-list@lists.iem.at Betreff: [PD] Slider/Knob

Hello List,

I would like to use knobs instead of sliders,

where can I find them?

Cheers

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On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 4:41 PM Lucas Cordiviola lucarda27@hotmail.com wrote:

Yes. I suggest using MinGW64. Pd-lib-builder is ready for that. You are on your own if you use VS and hit all kind of troubles that only and expert can deal (c runtimes, etc, etc).

I never used code::blocks but it should work.

I had no trouble with Msys2 and I like it.

If you want a test you can try compiling Cyclone or Else -> sources:

https://github.com/porres/pd-cyclone/releases

https://github.com/porres/pd-else/releases

These 2 have the latest pd-lib-builder 0.5.1 (strongly recommended)

https://github.com/pure-data/pd-lib-builder

:)

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On 9/7/2018 11:20 AM, alfonso santimone wrote:

...

Thanks Lucas, i already have a msys2 with mingw64 set on my system. Do you suggest me do go that way instead of VS or Code::Blocks with mingw64

Cool, thanks! I guess this implies clone the pd git insed the msys2 scope folder, so that pd lib builder can find all the pd headers. am i right?

a.

www.elgallorojorecords.com soundcloud.com/alfonsosantimone www.facebook.com/alfonsosantimone

On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 4:55 PM Lucas Cordiviola lucarda27@hotmail.com wrote:

And if you want to try compiling a single external say foo.c

Get familiar with the makefile:

• # Makefile for mylib*

• lib.name http://lib.name = mylib*

• class.sources = foo.c*

• datafiles = foo-help.pd README.txt LICENSE.txt*

• include Makefile.pdlibbuilder*

https://github.com/pure-data/pd-lib-builder#basic-usage

:)

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On 9/7/2018 11:46 AM, alfonso santimone wrote:

Awesome, thanks!

www.elgallorojorecords.com soundcloud.com/alfonsosantimone www.facebook.com/alfonsosantimone

On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 4:41 PM Lucas Cordiviola lucarda27@hotmail.com wrote:

...

Yes. I suggest using MinGW64. Pd-lib-builder is ready for that. You are on your own if you use VS and hit all kind of troubles that only and expert can deal (c runtimes, etc, etc).

I never used code::blocks but it should work.

I had no trouble with Msys2 and I like it.

If you want a test you can try compiling Cyclone or Else -> sources:

https://github.com/porres/pd-cyclone/releases

https://github.com/porres/pd-else/releases

These 2 have the latest pd-lib-builder 0.5.1 (strongly recommended)

https://github.com/pure-data/pd-lib-builder

:)

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On 9/7/2018 11:20 AM, alfonso santimone wrote:

...

Thanks Lucas, i already have a msys2 with mingw64 set on my system. Do you suggest me do go that way instead of VS or Code::Blocks with mingw64

Thanks Christof

1. For some reason the latest pd install (64 bit) doesn't have all the

headers and sources in the pd/src folders 2. I don't really understand very well this launcher thing, so i don't understand how i can refer to a general Win system folder from inside the MSys2 shell.

www.elgallorojorecords.com soundcloud.com/alfonsosantimone www.facebook.com/alfonsosantimone

On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 5:16 PM Christof Ressi christof.ressi@gmx.at wrote:

no, you can put the git repo anywhere you like. msys2 comes with special shell launchers which set up the necessary paths. they're called "MSYS2 MSYS shell launcher" (default shell), "MSYS2_MINGW32 shell launcher" (for compiling 32bit binaries) and "MSYS2_MINGW64 shell launcher" (for compiling 64bit binaries). in your case you need to use the last one.

BTW, in case you don't have Pd installed in a standard location, you need to set PDDIR="/my/path/to/pd/folder" in your make command.

Christof

Gesendet: Freitag, 07. September 2018 um 17:04 Uhr Von: "alfonso santimone" alfonso.santimone@gmail.com An: "Lucas Cordiviola" lucarda27@hotmail.com Cc: pd-list@lists.iem.at Betreff: Re: [PD] Compiling externals for w64. (was : Re: Slider/Knob)

Cool, thanks! I guess this implies clone the pd git insed the msys2 scope folder, so that pd lib builder can find all the pd headers. am i right?

a.

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On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 4:55 PM Lucas Cordiviola <lucarda27@hotmail.com [mailto:lucarda27@hotmail.com]> wrote: And if you want to try compiling a single external say foo.c

Get familiar with the makefile:

# Makefile for mylib

lib.name[http://lib.name] = mylib

class.sources = foo.c

datafiles = foo-help.pd README.txt LICENSE.txt

include Makefile.pdlibbuilder

https://github.com/pure-data/pd-lib-builder#basic-usage%5Bhttps://github.com...]

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On 9/7/2018 11:46 AM, alfonso santimone wrote: Awesome, thanks!

www.elgallorojorecords.com[http://www.elgallorojorecords.com] soundcloud.com/alfonsosantimone[http://soundcloud.com/alfonsosantimone] http://soundcloud.com/alfonsosantimone%5Bhttp://soundcloud.com/alfonsosantimone%5D www.facebook.com/alfonsosantimone[http://www.facebook.com/alfonsosantimone] http://www.facebook.com/alfonsosantimone%5Bhttp://www.facebook.com/alfonsosantimone%5D

On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 4:41 PM Lucas Cordiviola <lucarda27@hotmail.com [mailto:lucarda27@hotmail.com]> wrote:Yes. I suggest using MinGW64. Pd-lib-builder is ready for that. You are on your own if you use VS and hit all kind of troubles that only and expert can deal (c runtimes, etc, etc).

I never used code::blocks but it should work.

I had no trouble with Msys2 and I like it.

If you want a test you can try compiling Cyclone or Else -> sources:

https://github.com/porres/pd-cyclone/releases%5Bhttps://github.com/porres/pd...]

https://github.com/porres/pd-else/releases

These 2 have the latest pd-lib-builder 0.5.1 (strongly recommended)

https://github.com/pure-data/pd-lib-builder%5Bhttps://github.com/pure-data/p...]

:)

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On 9/7/2018 11:20 AM, alfonso santimone wrote:

...

Thanks Lucas, i already have a msys2 with mingw64 set on my system. Do you suggest me do go that way instead of VS or Code::Blocks with mingw64

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Yes is what i do. Opening "Msys2 MinGW64 bit" from the start menu. I mean that as far as i remember is not so straightforward to refer to windows file system from inside the Msys2 console. So given that my pd dir is in the windows root C:\ as far as i remember is not so easy to refer to such "external" folders from the MSys2 perspective.

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On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 5:36 PM Lucas Cordiviola lucarda27@hotmail.com wrote:

Just open “Msys2 MinGW64 bit” from the start menu.

in case you have both 32 and 64 bit Pds on your system you have to make sure pd-lib-builder finds the 64bit one.

use:

make PDDIR=full/path/to/64bit/pd(folder) PDLIBDIR=path/youwanttoplacethecompiledobject install

////////////

PDDIR=full/path/to/64bit/pd(folder) > here you get /bin/pd.dll and pd headers /src

PDLIBDIR=path/youwanttoplacethecompiledobject > where you want the output

install > this strips the binaries and other goodies

//////////////

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On 9/7/2018 12:23 PM, alfonso santimone wrote:

Thanks Christof

1. For some reason the latest pd install (64 bit) doesn't have all the

headers and sources in the pd/src folders 2. I don't really understand very well this launcher thing, so i don't understand how i can refer to a general Win system folder from inside the MSys2 shell.

www.elgallorojorecords.com soundcloud.com/alfonsosantimone www.facebook.com/alfonsosantimone

On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 5:16 PM Christof Ressi christof.ressi@gmx.at wrote:

...

no, you can put the git repo anywhere you like. msys2 comes with special shell launchers which set up the necessary paths. they're called "MSYS2 MSYS shell launcher" (default shell), "MSYS2_MINGW32 shell launcher" (for compiling 32bit binaries) and "MSYS2_MINGW64 shell launcher" (for compiling 64bit binaries). in your case you need to use the last one.

BTW, in case you don't have Pd installed in a standard location, you need to set PDDIR="/my/path/to/pd/folder" in your make command.

Christof

Gesendet: Freitag, 07. September 2018 um 17:04 Uhr Von: "alfonso santimone" alfonso.santimone@gmail.com An: "Lucas Cordiviola" lucarda27@hotmail.com Cc: pd-list@lists.iem.at Betreff: Re: [PD] Compiling externals for w64. (was : Re: Slider/Knob)

Cool, thanks! I guess this implies clone the pd git insed the msys2 scope folder, so that pd lib builder can find all the pd headers. am i right?

a.

www.elgallorojorecords.com[http://www.elgallorojorecords.com] soundcloud.com/alfonsosantimone[http://soundcloud.com/alfonsosantimone] http://soundcloud.com/alfonsosantimone%5Bhttp://soundcloud.com/alfonsosantimone%5D

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On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 4:55 PM Lucas Cordiviola <lucarda27@hotmail.com [mailto:lucarda27@hotmail.com]> wrote: And if you want to try compiling a single external say foo.c

Get familiar with the makefile:

# Makefile for mylib

lib.name[http://lib.name] = mylib

class.sources = foo.c

datafiles = foo-help.pd README.txt LICENSE.txt

include Makefile.pdlibbuilder

https://github.com/pure-data/pd-lib-builder#basic-usage%5Bhttps://github.com...]

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On 9/7/2018 11:46 AM, alfonso santimone wrote: Awesome, thanks!

www.elgallorojorecords.com[http://www.elgallorojorecords.com] soundcloud.com/alfonsosantimone[http://soundcloud.com/alfonsosantimone] http://soundcloud.com/alfonsosantimone%5Bhttp://soundcloud.com/alfonsosantimone%5D

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On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 4:41 PM Lucas Cordiviola <lucarda27@hotmail.com [mailto:lucarda27@hotmail.com]> wrote:Yes. I suggest using MinGW64. Pd-lib-builder is ready for that. You are on your own if you use VS and hit all kind of troubles that only and expert can deal (c runtimes, etc, etc).

I never used code::blocks but it should work.

I had no trouble with Msys2 and I like it.

If you want a test you can try compiling Cyclone or Else -> sources:

https://github.com/porres/pd-cyclone/releases%5Bhttps://github.com/porres/pd...]

https://github.com/porres/pd-else/releases

These 2 have the latest pd-lib-builder 0.5.1 (strongly recommended)

https://github.com/pure-data/pd-lib-builder%5Bhttps://github.com/pure-data/p...]

:)

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On 9/7/2018 11:20 AM, alfonso santimone wrote:

...

Thanks Lucas, i already have a msys2 with mingw64 set on my system. Do you suggest me do go that way instead of VS or Code::Blocks with mingw64

_______________________________________________ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list%5Bhttps://lists.puredata.info/l...]

Oh thanks Christof ...simple almost unoticeable thingie :-) www.elgallorojorecords.com soundcloud.com/alfonsosantimone www.facebook.com/alfonsosantimone

On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 5:37 PM Christof Ressi christof.ressi@gmx.at wrote:

...

1. For some reason the latest pd install (64 bit) doesn't have all the

headers and sources in the pd/src folders

for most externals, you should only rely on "m_pd.h". all other headers are considered not public and therefore unsafe to use.

...

2. I don't really understand very well this launcher thing, so i don't

understand how i can refer to a general Win system folder from inside the MSys2 shell.

msys2 emulates a unix environment, so you need to use forward slahes for file paths. to see the content of you C drive type the following:

...

cd /c ls

Christof

Gesendet: Freitag, 07. September 2018 um 17:23 Uhr Von: "alfonso santimone" alfonso.santimone@gmail.com An: "Christof Ressi" christof.ressi@gmx.at Cc: "Lucas Cordiviola" lucarda27@hotmail.com, pd-list@lists.iem.at Betreff: Re: Re: [PD] Compiling externals for w64. (was : Re: Slider/Knob)

Thanks Christof

1. For some reason the latest pd install (64 bit) doesn't have all the

headers and sources in the pd/src folders 2. I don't really understand very well this launcher thing, so i don't understand how i can refer to a general Win system folder from inside the MSys2 shell.

www.elgallorojorecords.com[http://www.elgallorojorecords.com] soundcloud.com/alfonsosantimone[http://soundcloud.com/alfonsosantimone] http://soundcloud.com/alfonsosantimone%5Bhttp://soundcloud.com/alfonsosantimone%5D www.facebook.com/alfonsosantimone[http://www.facebook.com/alfonsosantimone] http://www.facebook.com/alfonsosantimone%5Bhttp://www.facebook.com/alfonsosantimone%5D

On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 5:16 PM Christof Ressi <christof.ressi@gmx.at [mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at]> wrote:no, you can put the git repo anywhere you like. msys2 comes with special shell launchers which set up the necessary paths. they're called "MSYS2 MSYS shell launcher" (default shell), "MSYS2_MINGW32 shell launcher" (for compiling 32bit binaries) and "MSYS2_MINGW64 shell launcher" (for compiling 64bit binaries). in your case you need to use the last one.

BTW, in case you don't have Pd installed in a standard location, you need to set PDDIR="/my/path/to/pd/folder" in your make command.

Christof

Gesendet: Freitag, 07. September 2018 um 17:04 Uhr Von: "alfonso santimone" <alfonso.santimone@gmail.com[mailto: alfonso.santimone@gmail.com]> An: "Lucas Cordiviola" <lucarda27@hotmail.com[mailto:lucarda27@hotmail.com ]> Cc: pd-list@lists.iem.at[mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at] Betreff: Re: [PD] Compiling externals for w64. (was : Re: Slider/Knob)

Cool, thanks! I guess this implies clone the pd git insed the msys2 scope folder, so that pd lib builder can find all the pd headers. am i right?

a.

www.elgallorojorecords.com[http://www.elgallorojorecords.com][ http://www.elgallorojorecords.com%5Bhttp://www.elgallorojorecords.com]]

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On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 4:55 PM Lucas Cordiviola <lucarda27@hotmail.com [mailto:lucarda27@hotmail.com][mailto:lucarda27@hotmail.com[mailto: lucarda27@hotmail.com]]> wrote: And if you want to try compiling a single external say foo.c

Get familiar with the makefile:

# Makefile for mylib

lib.name[http://lib.name][http://lib.name%5Bhttp://lib.name]] = mylib

class.sources = foo.c

datafiles = foo-help.pd README.txt LICENSE.txt

include Makefile.pdlibbuilder

https://github.com/pure-data/pd-lib-builder#basic-usage%5Bhttps://github.com...]] https://github.com/pure-data/pd-lib-builder#basic-usage[https://github.com/pure-data/pd-lib-builder%23basic-usage][https://github.com/pure-data/pd-lib-builder%23basic-usage[https://github.com/pure-data/pd-lib-builder%23basic-usage]]

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On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 4:41 PM Lucas Cordiviola <lucarda27@hotmail.com [mailto:lucarda27@hotmail.com][mailto:lucarda27@hotmail.com[mailto: lucarda27@hotmail.com]]> wrote:Yes. I suggest using MinGW64. Pd-lib-builder is ready for that. You are on your own if you use VS and hit all kind of troubles that only and expert can deal (c runtimes, etc, etc).

I never used code::blocks but it should work.

I had no trouble with Msys2 and I like it.

If you want a test you can try compiling Cyclone or Else -> sources:

https://github.com/porres/pd-cyclone/releases%5Bhttps://github.com/porres/pd...] https://github.com/porres/pd-cyclone/releases%5Bhttps://github.com/porres/pd-cyclone/releases%5D%5Bhttps://github.com/porres/pd-cyclone/releases%5Bhttps://github.com/porres/pd-cyclone/releases%5D%5D

https://github.com/porres/pd-else/releases

These 2 have the latest pd-lib-builder 0.5.1 (strongly recommended)

https://github.com/pure-data/pd-lib-builder%5Bhttps://github.com/pure-data/p...] https://github.com/pure-data/pd-lib-builder%5Bhttps://github.com/pure-data/pd-lib-builder%5D%5Bhttps://github.com/pure-data/pd-lib-builder%5Bhttps://github.com/pure-data/pd-lib-builder%5D%5D

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On 9/7/2018 11:20 AM, alfonso santimone wrote:

...

Thanks Lucas, i already have a msys2 with mingw64 set on my system. Do you suggest me do go that way instead of VS or Code::Blocks with mingw64

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As a follow up on this I have uploaded to deken these packages for Pd-64bit.

v0.0.exteded old ones:

hcsv0.0.extended(Sources).dek ekextv0.0.extended(Sources).dek earplug~v0.0.extended(Sources).dek cxcv0.0.extended(Sources).dek chaosv0.0.extended(Sources).dek boidsv0.0.extended(Sources).dek bassemu~v0.0.extended(Sources).dek arraysizev0.0.extended(Sources).dek adaptivev0.0.extended(Sources).dek zexyv0.0.extended(Sources).dek pmpdv0.0.extended(Sources).dek pddpv0.0.extended(Sources).dek PDContainerv0.0.extended(Sources).dek mrpeachv0.0.extended(Sources).dek motexv0.0.extended(Sources).dek mjlibv0.0.extended(Sources).dek mediasettingsv0.0.extended(Sources).dek markexv0.0.extended(Sources).dek logv0.0.extended(Sources).dek hexloaderv0.0.extended(Sources).dek

And:

ggeev0.27~git20180926.dek

And also the never released for windows 'pd-drag&drop-plugin' -- you can drop patches to the canvas and it puts them as abstractions or if you drop them on Pd's main windows their are opened normaly.

pd-dnd-pluginv0.1(Windows-amd64-32).dek

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On 9/7/2018 11:07 AM, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:

Hi Alfonso,

Back in March, when we got w64 Pd to work and also we tweaked the nuts and bolts of pd-lib-builder, I did some preliminary work on compiling many libs (all 00-extended) for w64. I got in to troubles and found some solutions. May be this week (or next) I'll revisit my files and try to upload them to Deken.

I did all the stuff with Msys2.

Keep in mind that for modern libs that already use pd-lib-builder compiling them for w64 is really straight forward.

:)

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On 9/7/2018 9:57 AM, alfonso santimone wrote: Hi all, i'm trying to move all my music apps to 64 bit on Windows (it's the standard and more softwares are adbandoning the 32 bit version) I would really like to try both moonlib and the oliver's abtraction. But everything rely on 32 bits library. Hope to get some 64x version soon. Pd 0.48.2 works fine on Win 64x as a 64x application. A little number of libraries (else, cyclone ) are already compiled for 64x. I hope more and more will follow. I even could help compiling and try to get the knowledge (pd lib builder ) to try some 64x compling.

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On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 2:47 PM Antoine Rousseau <antoine@metalu.netmailto:antoine@metalu.net> wrote: Thanks for recommending mknob ;-)

I'd like to do an update of moonlib soon, as it has received some improvements: sfread2~ understands a new [index( message (thx to Antoine Villeret), and mknob now better supports zooming.

About the latter, I'd like to hear your opinion (you all mknob users...) about the following problem (and the solution I propose):

mknob poses a particular problem: because its circular shape doesn't comply to Pd graphical paradigm (every other objects are rectangular shaped), iolets are floating in an empty space near the knob; because it's visually ugly, and I don't want to surround the knob with a rectangular box, I chose not to draw the iolets, even when the mknob is not bounded to receive/send symbols. The problem (for explicitly connected knobs) is now that it's somewhat tricky to guess where you have to draw the connection to/from, and that the wire connects to/from nowhere. This is acceptable for small knob, but when it becomes bigger it's really weird.

So the only idea I see (apart from hacking Pd sources...) is to setup 3 inlets and 3 outlets, so that you can connect from/to the one in the middle; the wire is then actually connected to the circle. I succeeded to code this behaviour, keeping to possibility to use any inlet and sending to the three outlets. It's maybe a little far-fetched, but its works. What do you think of it?

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Le ven. 7 sept. 2018 à 13:05, Christof Ressi <christof.ressi@gmx.atmailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at> a écrit : I recommend mknob from moonlib, but make sure you get the latest version from deken for pd >= 0.47

Christof

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Hello List,

I would like to use knobs instead of sliders,

where can I find them?

Cheers

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On 9/27/18 11:33 AM, alfonso santimone wrote:

2. In a (far as Pierre says) Camomile perspective are all these libraries

supporting multiple pd instances?

well, almost all of these libraries (the exceptions are: PDContainer and adapative) are available (and used) as Debian packages for amd64 systems since a couple of years.

to my knowledge, only cxc is broken on 64bit systems (at least the [mean~] object) and requires a patch (see the Debian archives for such a patch).

of course there may be other win/64bit related problems lurking around, but then we need users to discover them :-)

fgamsdr IOhannes

On 9/27/18 2:43 PM, alfonso santimone wrote:

Is there any option to start vanilla without loading externals?

"-noprefs" (but please don't hijack threads)

fgamsdr IOhannes

It worked.

I've applied 'array64.patch' from 'pd-cxc_0.5.2-2.debian.tar.xz'.

Similar other errors are on the help patch but they are coming from other objects that don't have a diff.patch

[cxc/mean~] is ok if used on a new patch.

Deken pkg has been updated.

:)

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On 9/27/2018 5:54 PM, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:

On 9/27/2018 7:53 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:

...

to my knowledge, only cxc is broken on 64bit systems (at least the [mean~] object) and requires a patch (see the Debian archives for such a patch).

I'll try to get the patch in fix the w64 [cxc/mean~].

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[cxmean] [cxavgdev] [cxstddev].

console:

failed since it uses garray_getfloatarray while running 64-bit!

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On 9/28/2018 5:19 AM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:

On 9/28/18 5:14 AM, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:

It worked.

I've applied 'array64.patch' from 'pd-cxc_0.5.2-2.debian.tar.xz'.

Similar other errors are on the help patch but they are coming from other objects that don't have a diff.patch

which "similar other errors"? which "other objects"?

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Well...

I'm going to sleep now.

BTW, can you give a look to https://github.com/MetaluNet/moonlib/blob/externals/moonlib/mknob.c#L795-L81...

The object compiles and work but is in the old compatibility. Looks like this issue was not solved

https://github.com/MetaluNet/moonlib/issues/4

I had to install 'mingw64/mingw-w64-x86_64-dlfcn' and

#include <Windows.h> #include <Winbase.h>

to finish compilation.

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On 9/28/2018 7:51 AM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:

On 9/28/18 12:40 PM, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:

[cxmean] [cxavgdev] [cxstddev].

but the source code for these objects is only '#include "mean~.c"' so a fix for "mean~.c" will automatically fix those objects.

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Thanks Christof, I was just wandering if you could make and upload to deken moonlib-v0.4 for windows; I never did that, and if possible, I'd like avoiding spending my time on figuring how to do it...

So if it's possible for you that would be great, as moonlib received some improvements since last windows upload you did, like better mknob drawing and zooming, sfread2~ and readsfv~ improvements and fixing, and overall cleaning.

Also maybe some of the objects that are currently excluded from windows compilation could be reintegrated; I'm thinking mostly of dinlet~ and readsfv~, but it obviously requires testing to tell...

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Le ven. 28 sept. 2018 à 14:50, Christof Ressi christof.ressi@gmx.at a écrit :

I can try to fix the compatibility issue next week. Back then, I just patched it for Pd >= 0.47 Windows only and uploaded it on Deken.

Gesendet: Freitag, 28. September 2018 um 13:12 Uhr Von: "Lucas Cordiviola" lucarda27@hotmail.com An: "pd-list@lists.iem.at" pd-list@lists.iem.at Betreff: Re: [PD] Compiling externals for w64. (was : Re: Slider/Knob)

Well... I'm going to sleep now. BTW, can you give a look to https://github.com/MetaluNet/moonlib/blob/externals/moonlib/mknob.c#L795-L81... The object compiles and work but is in the old compatibility. Looks like this issue was not solved

https://github.com/MetaluNet/moonlib/issues/4%5Bhttps://github.com/MetaluNet...] I had to install 'mingw64/mingw-w64-x86_64-dlfcn' and #include <Windows.h> #include <Winbase.h> to finish compilation.

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On 9/28/2018 7:51 AM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: On 9/28/18 12:40 PM, Lucas Cordiviola wrote: [cxmean] [cxavgdev] [cxstddev]. but the source code for these objects is only '#include "mean~.c"' so a fix for "mean~.c" will automatically fix those objects.

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On 9/28/18 5:47 PM, Christof Ressi wrote:

Cool, I wasn't aware of the new version of moonlib. I'll have a look.

here's an automatically generated list of upstream-versions of packages found in Debian. it's more than just Pd packages (but almost all Pd packages start with "pd-"), but it includes almost all Pd packages found in Debian. for some of the packages the versions are not fully up-to-date (e.g. cyclone, fftease), some packages don't have any version attached (e.g. because they don't do formal releases; or if they do, they present those releases in a way, that makes it impractical/impossible to parse the most current release automatically); but it's a start:

https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=umlaeute&set=yes&bugs=3&am...

gfamrds IOhannes

Uploded to deken from Debian pkgs and patches:

bsaylorv0.1.4(Sources).dek cxcv0.5.2-2(Sources).dek ffteasev2.5.2-2(Sources).dek ext130.17.1-4(Sources).dek

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On 9/28/2018 4:17 PM, Christof Ressi wrote:

Thanks!

...

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On 9/28/18 5:47 PM, Christof Ressi wrote:

...

Cool, I wasn't aware of the new version of moonlib. I'll have a look.

here's an automatically generated list of upstream-versions of packages found in Debian. it's more than just Pd packages (but almost all Pd packages start with "pd-"), but it includes almost all Pd packages found in Debian. for some of the packages the versions are not fully up-to-date (e.g. cyclone, fftease), some packages don't have any version attached (e.g. because they don't do formal releases; or if they do, they present those releases in a way, that makes it impractical/impossible to parse the most current release automatically); but it's a start:

https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=umlaeute&set=yes&bugs=3&am...

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All comparison tilda objects seems not to work they aren't even loaded, their object box is dashed as not exsistent objects. And a couple questions

You mean those appearing in zexy's "zigbinops-help.pd" ?

To use them we need to add this libs from the startup flags or with declare:

[declare -lib zexy/0x260x260x7e -lib zexy/0x2e -lib zexy/0x3c0x7e -lib zexy/0x3d0x3d0x7e -lib zexy/0x3e0x7e -lib zexy/0x7c0x7c0x7e]

1. Is there any bandlimited osc library around that would be great to port to 64x?

Which ones you are using on 32bit? I'll try to compile them.

:)

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On 9/27/2018 6:33 AM, alfonso santimone wrote: That's a great achievement Lucas! Many thanks! A first report . All comparison tilda objects seems not to work they aren't even loaded, their object box is dashed as not exsistent objects. And a couple questions

1. Is there any bandlimited osc library around that would be great to port to 64x?
2. In a (far as Pierre says) Camomile perspective are all these libraries supporting multiple pd instances?

thanks a lot for your work!

a.

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On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 8:41 PM Lucas Cordiviola <lucarda27@hotmail.commailto:lucarda27@hotmail.com> wrote:

As a follow up on this I have uploaded to deken these packages for Pd-64bit.

v0.0.exteded old ones:

hcsv0.0.extended(Sources).dek ekextv0.0.extended(Sources).dek earplug~v0.0.extended(Sources).dek cxcv0.0.extended(Sources).dek chaosv0.0.extended(Sources).dek boidsv0.0.extended(Sources).dek bassemu~v0.0.extended(Sources).dek arraysizev0.0.extended(Sources).dek adaptivev0.0.extended(Sources).dek zexyv0.0.extended(Sources).dek pmpdv0.0.extended(Sources).dek pddpv0.0.extended(Sources).dek PDContainerv0.0.extended(Sources).dek mrpeachv0.0.extended(Sources).dek motexv0.0.extended(Sources).dek mjlibv0.0.extended(Sources).dek mediasettingsv0.0.extended(Sources).dek markexv0.0.extended(Sources).dek logv0.0.extended(Sources).dek hexloaderv0.0.extended(Sources).dek

And:

ggeev0.27~git20180926.dek

And also the never released for windows 'pd-drag&drop-plugin' -- you can drop patches to the canvas and it puts them as abstractions or if you drop them on Pd's main windows their are opened normaly.

pd-dnd-pluginv0.1(Windows-amd64-32).dek

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On 9/7/2018 11:07 AM, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:

Hi Alfonso,

Back in March, when we got w64 Pd to work and also we tweaked the nuts and bolts of pd-lib-builder, I did some preliminary work on compiling many libs (all 00-extended) for w64. I got in to troubles and found some solutions. May be this week (or next) I'll revisit my files and try to upload them to Deken.

I did all the stuff with Msys2.

Keep in mind that for modern libs that already use pd-lib-builder compiling them for w64 is really straight forward.

:)

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On 9/7/2018 9:57 AM, alfonso santimone wrote: Hi all, i'm trying to move all my music apps to 64 bit on Windows (it's the standard and more softwares are adbandoning the 32 bit version) I would really like to try both moonlib and the oliver's abtraction. But everything rely on 32 bits library. Hope to get some 64x version soon. Pd 0.48.2 works fine on Win 64x as a 64x application. A little number of libraries (else, cyclone ) are already compiled for 64x. I hope more and more will follow. I even could help compiling and try to get the knowledge (pd lib builder ) to try some 64x compling.

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On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 2:47 PM Antoine Rousseau <antoine@metalu.netmailto:antoine@metalu.net> wrote: Thanks for recommending mknob ;-)

I'd like to do an update of moonlib soon, as it has received some improvements: sfread2~ understands a new [index( message (thx to Antoine Villeret), and mknob now better supports zooming.

About the latter, I'd like to hear your opinion (you all mknob users...) about the following problem (and the solution I propose):

mknob poses a particular problem: because its circular shape doesn't comply to Pd graphical paradigm (every other objects are rectangular shaped), iolets are floating in an empty space near the knob; because it's visually ugly, and I don't want to surround the knob with a rectangular box, I chose not to draw the iolets, even when the mknob is not bounded to receive/send symbols. The problem (for explicitly connected knobs) is now that it's somewhat tricky to guess where you have to draw the connection to/from, and that the wire connects to/from nowhere. This is acceptable for small knob, but when it becomes bigger it's really weird.

So the only idea I see (apart from hacking Pd sources...) is to setup 3 inlets and 3 outlets, so that you can connect from/to the one in the middle; the wire is then actually connected to the circle. I succeeded to code this behaviour, keeping to possibility to use any inlet and sending to the three outlets. It's maybe a little far-fetched, but its works. What do you think of it?

Antoine Rousseau http://www.metalu.nethttp://metalu.net __ http://www.metaluachahuter.com/http://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/al1-ant1/

Le ven. 7 sept. 2018 à 13:05, Christof Ressi <christof.ressi@gmx.atmailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at> a écrit : I recommend mknob from moonlib, but make sure you get the latest version from deken for pd >= 0.47

Christof

Gesendet: Freitag, 07. September 2018 um 12:59 Uhr Von: Clemens <reinklang@online.demailto:reinklang@online.de> An: Pd-list@lists.iem.atmailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at Betreff: [PD] Slider/Knob

Hello List,

I would like to use knobs instead of sliders,

where can I find them?

Cheers

Clemens

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1. Is there any bandlimited osc library around that would be great to port to 64x?

See [creb/blosc~] from:

creb0.9.2-3(Sources).dek

: )

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On 9/27/2018 6:33 AM, alfonso santimone wrote: That's a great achievement Lucas! Many thanks! A first report . All comparison tilda objects seems not to work they aren't even loaded, their object box is dashed as not exsistent objects. And a couple questions

1. Is there any bandlimited osc library around that would be great to port to 64x?
2. In a (far as Pierre says) Camomile perspective are all these libraries supporting multiple pd instances?

thanks a lot for your work!

a.

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Hi Lucas and all here! Lucas could you check (just in case you want to and have the time to) if aubio is buildable for win64? https://aubio.org/pd-aubio/ thanks and bests a.

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On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:06 PM alfonso santimone < alfonso.santimone@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Lucas! great work!

a.

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On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 12:28 AM Lucas Cordiviola lucarda27@hotmail.com wrote:

...

1. Is there any bandlimited osc library around that would be great to

port to 64x?

See [creb/blosc~] from:

creb0.9.2-3(Sources).dek

: )

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On 9/27/2018 6:33 AM, alfonso santimone wrote:

That's a great achievement Lucas! Many thanks! A first report . All comparison tilda objects seems not to work they aren't even loaded, their object box is dashed as not exsistent objects. And a couple questions

1. Is there any bandlimited osc library around that would be great to

port to 64x? 2. In a (far as Pierre says) Camomile perspective are all these libraries supporting multiple pd instances?

thanks a lot for your work!

a.

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...

Thanks! Hope you'll find a way!

Il lun 29 ott 2018, 13:13 Lucas Cordiviola lucarda27@hotmail.com ha scritto:

Hi Alfonso,

I gave it try but found a show stopper 1. :(

I'll put it on the "To-do-list" but with low priority.

1 It needs python and waf , which i installed, to create a very needed "aubio/aubio.h" but the show is stopped because I can't configure it to find m_pd.h. If i get this done then probably i can make a custom pd-lib-builder makefile. I think this external has never had a windows version. :(.

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On 10/27/2018 7:32 AM, alfonso santimone wrote:

Hi Lucas and all here! Lucas could you check (just in case you want to and have the time to) if aubio is buildable for win64? https://aubio.org/pd-aubio/ thanks and bests a.

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...

Thanks Lucas! great work!

a.

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On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 12:28 AM Lucas Cordiviola lucarda27@hotmail.com wrote:

...

1. Is there any bandlimited osc library around that would be great to

port to 64x?

See [creb/blosc~] from:

creb0.9.2-3(Sources).dek

: )

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On 9/27/2018 6:33 AM, alfonso santimone wrote:

That's a great achievement Lucas! Many thanks! A first report . All comparison tilda objects seems not to work they aren't even loaded, their object box is dashed as not exsistent objects. And a couple questions

1. Is there any bandlimited osc library around that would be great to

port to 64x? 2. In a (far as Pierre says) Camomile perspective are all these libraries supporting multiple pd instances?

thanks a lot for your work!

a.

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a visual hint (i.e. draw the rect borders and the iolets)- but only when the user hovers over the knob while the glist is in editmode

you mean like the little square of the canvas object? yes, I like the idea. I'll try this soon, thanks!

Antoine Rousseau http://www.metalu.net http://metalu.net __ http://www.metaluachahuter.com/ http://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/al1-ant1/

Le ven. 7 sept. 2018 à 17:31, Christof Ressi christof.ressi@gmx.at a écrit :

Hi, to be honest, I never found it to be a big problem. I'm not too sure about the three outlet solution, I think it's indeed a bit far-stretched :-) what I would suggest is to give the user a visual hint (i.e. draw the rect borders and the iolets)- but only when the user hovers over the knob while the glist is in editmode. you can do this in mknob_newclick.

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iolets are floating in an empty space near the knob;

yes, this looks a bit funny, but you usually won't have the cables visible in your final GUI anyway, so I wouldn't worry about that.

Christof

Gesendet: Freitag, 07. September 2018 um 14:45 Uhr Von: "Antoine Rousseau" antoine@metalu.net An: "Christof Ressi" christof.ressi@gmx.at Cc: Pd-list Pd-list@lists.iem.at Betreff: Re: [PD] Slider/Knob

Thanks for recommending mknob ;-)

I'd like to do an update of moonlib soon, as it has received some improvements: sfread2~ understands a new [index( message (thx to Antoine Villeret), and mknob now better supports zooming.

About the latter, I'd like to hear your opinion (you all mknob users...) about the following problem (and the solution I propose):

mknob poses a particular problem: because its circular shape doesn't comply to Pd graphical paradigm (every other objects are rectangular shaped), iolets are floating in an empty space near the knob; because it's visually ugly, and I don't want to surround the knob with a rectangular box, I chose not to draw the iolets, even when the mknob is not bounded to receive/send symbols. The problem (for explicitly connected knobs) is now that it's somewhat tricky to guess where you have to draw the connection to/from, and that the wire connects to/from nowhere. This is acceptable for small knob, but when it becomes bigger it's really weird.

So the only idea I see (apart from hacking Pd sources...) is to setup 3 inlets and 3 outlets, so that you can connect from/to the one in the middle; the wire is then actually connected to the circle. I succeeded to code this behaviour, keeping to possibility to use any inlet and sending to the three outlets. It's maybe a little far-fetched, but its works. What do you think of it?

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Le ven. 7 sept. 2018 à 13:05, Christof Ressi <christof.ressi@gmx.at [mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at]> a écrit :I recommend mknob from moonlib, but make sure you get the latest version from deken for pd >= 0.47

Christof

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Hello List,

I would like to use knobs instead of sliders,

where can I find them?

Cheers

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I see; why not even showing outline and iolets as soon as the patch is switched to edit mode? But I must admit I don't know how to detect these events (object is hovered /or/ patch switches to /from edit mode). I'll try to find existing similar code, but maybe you have some pointers?

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Le ven. 7 sept. 2018 à 19:20, Christof Ressi christof.ressi@gmx.at a écrit :

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you mean like the little square of the canvas object?

kind of, except that my_canvas only shows the square when the object is selected. of course that's also possible! my idea was to show it when you hover the object in editmode, so you don't have to explicitly select the object to see where to make the connections.

Gesendet: Freitag, 07. September 2018 um 18:43 Uhr Von: "Antoine Rousseau" antoine@metalu.net An: "Christof Ressi" christof.ressi@gmx.at Cc: Pd-list Pd-list@lists.iem.at Betreff: Re: Re: [PD] Slider/Knob

a visual hint (i.e. draw the rect borders and the iolets)- but only when the user hovers over the knob while the glist is in editmode

you mean like the little square of the canvas object? yes, I like the idea. I'll try this soon, thanks!

Antoine Rousseau http://www.metalu.net%5Bhttp://metalu.net] __ http://www.metaluachahuter.com/%5Bhttp://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/...]

Le ven. 7 sept. 2018 à 17:31, Christof Ressi <christof.ressi@gmx.at [mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at]> a écrit :Hi, to be honest, I never found it to be a big problem. I'm not too sure about the three outlet solution, I think it's indeed a bit far-stretched :-) what I would suggest is to give the user a visual hint (i.e. draw the rect borders and the iolets)- but only when the user hovers over the knob while the glist is in editmode. you can do this in mknob_newclick.

...

iolets are floating in an empty space near the knob;

yes, this looks a bit funny, but you usually won't have the cables visible in your final GUI anyway, so I wouldn't worry about that.

Christof

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Thanks for recommending mknob ;-)

I'd like to do an update of moonlib soon, as it has received some improvements: sfread2~ understands a new [index( message (thx to Antoine Villeret), and mknob now better supports zooming.

About the latter, I'd like to hear your opinion (you all mknob users...) about the following problem (and the solution I propose):

mknob poses a particular problem: because its circular shape doesn't comply to Pd graphical paradigm (every other objects are rectangular shaped), iolets are floating in an empty space near the knob; because it's visually ugly, and I don't want to surround the knob with a rectangular box, I chose not to draw the iolets, even when the mknob is not bounded to receive/send symbols. The problem (for explicitly connected knobs) is now that it's somewhat tricky to guess where you have to draw the connection to/from, and that the wire connects to/from nowhere. This is acceptable for small knob, but when it becomes bigger it's really weird.

So the only idea I see (apart from hacking Pd sources...) is to setup 3 inlets and 3 outlets, so that you can connect from/to the one in the middle; the wire is then actually connected to the circle. I succeeded to code this behaviour, keeping to possibility to use any inlet and sending to the three outlets. It's maybe a little far-fetched, but its works. What do you think of it?

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Christof

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Hello List,

I would like to use knobs instead of sliders,

where can I find them?

Cheers

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cool!

why not even showing outline and iolets as soon as the patch is switched to edit mode?

the only type of object inside the canvas which gets notified on editmode changes is T_TEXT (to toggle the vertical line on the right), so AFAICT it's impossible to achieve without nasty tricks (see iemguts/receivecanvas :-))

Gesendet: Freitag, 07. September 2018 um 19:39 Uhr Von: "Antoine Rousseau" antoine@metalu.net An: "Antoine@metalu.net" antoine@metalu.net Cc: "Christof Ressi" christof.ressi@gmx.at, Pd-list Pd-list@lists.iem.at Betreff: Re: Re: Re: [PD] Slider/Knob

OK I just tried and mknob_newclick allows receiving hovering as you said before.

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Le ven. 7 sept. 2018 à 19:32, Antoine Rousseau <antoine@metalu.net[mailto:antoine@metalu.net]> a écrit :

I see; why not even showing outline and iolets as soon as the patch is switched to edit mode? But I must admit I don't know how to detect these events (object is hovered /or/ patch switches to /from edit mode). I'll try to find existing similar code, but maybe you have some pointers?

Antoine Rousseau    http://www.metalu.net%5Bhttp://metalu.net%5D%C2%A0__%C2%A0http://www.metalua...]

Le ven. 7 sept. 2018 à 19:20, Christof Ressi <christof.ressi@gmx.at[mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at]> a écrit :> you mean like the little square of the canvas object?

kind of, except that my_canvas only shows the square when the object is selected. of course that's also possible! my idea was to show it when you hover the object in editmode, so you don't have to explicitly select the object to see where to make the connections.

Gesendet: Freitag, 07. September 2018 um 18:43 Uhr Von: "Antoine Rousseau" <antoine@metalu.net[mailto:antoine@metalu.net]> An: "Christof Ressi" <christof.ressi@gmx.at[mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at]> Cc: Pd-list <Pd-list@lists.iem.at[mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at]> Betreff: Re: Re: [PD] Slider/Knob

a visual hint (i.e. draw the rect borders and the iolets)- but only when the user hovers over the knob while the glist is in editmode   you mean like the little square of the canvas object? yes, I like the idea. I'll try this soon, thanks!

Antoine Rousseau    http://www.metalu.net%5Bhttp://www.metalu.net%5D%5Bhttp://metalu.net%5Bhttp:...]

Le ven. 7 sept. 2018 à 17:31, Christof Ressi <christof.ressi@gmx.at[mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at][mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at[mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at]]> a écrit :Hi, to be honest, I never found it to be a big problem. I'm not too sure about the three outlet solution, I think it's indeed a bit far-stretched :-) what I would suggest is to give the user a visual hint (i.e. draw the rect borders and the iolets)- but only when the user hovers over the knob while the glist is in editmode. you can do this in mknob_newclick.

iolets are floating in an empty space near the knob;

yes, this looks a bit funny, but you usually won't have the cables visible in your final GUI anyway, so I wouldn't worry about that.   Christof

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Thanks for recommending mknob ;-)   I'd like to do an update of moonlib soon, as it has received some improvements: sfread2~ understands a new [index( message (thx to Antoine Villeret), and mknob now better supports zooming.

About the latter, I'd like to hear your opinion (you all mknob users...) about the following problem (and the solution I propose):   mknob poses a particular problem: because its circular shape doesn't comply to Pd graphical paradigm (every other objects are rectangular shaped), iolets are floating in an empty space near the knob; because it's visually ugly, and I don't want to surround the knob with a rectangular box, I chose not to draw the iolets, even when the mknob is not bounded to receive/send symbols. The problem (for explicitly connected  knobs) is now that it's somewhat tricky to guess where you have to draw the connection to/from, and that the wire connects to/from nowhere. This is acceptable for small knob, but when it becomes bigger it's really weird.   So the only idea I see (apart from hacking Pd sources...) is to setup 3 inlets and 3 outlets, so that you can connect from/to the one in the middle; the wire is then actually connected to the circle. I succeeded to code this behaviour, keeping to possibility to use any inlet and sending to the three outlets. It's maybe a little far-fetched, but its works. What do you think of it?       Antoine Rousseau    http://www.metalu.net%5Bhttp://www.metalu.net%5D%5Bhttp://www.metalu.net%5Bh...]

Le ven. 7 sept. 2018 à 13:05, Christof Ressi <christof.ressi@gmx.at[mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at][mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at[mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at]][mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at[mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at][mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at[mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at]]]> a écrit :I recommend mknob from moonlib, but make sure you get the latest version from deken for pd >= 0.47

Christof

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Hello List,

I would like to use knobs instead of sliders,

where can I find them?

Cheers

Clemens

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D'oh.. well, as i said, the floating iolet never bothered me after all :-)

Gesendet: Samstag, 08. September 2018 um 00:13 Uhr Von: "Antoine Rousseau" antoine@metalu.net An: "Christof Ressi" christof.ressi@gmx.at Cc: Pd-list Pd-list@lists.iem.at Betreff: Re: Re: Re: Re: [PD] Slider/Knob

too bad, newclick(...) is never called when in edit mode... so: no hovering detection when in edit mode, no way to (easily) detect edit mode on/off switching... back to the starting point. maybe i will... do nothing more ;-)

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Le ven. 7 sept. 2018 à 20:33, Christof Ressi christof.ressi@gmx.at a écrit :

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cool!

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why not even showing outline and iolets as soon as the patch is switched

to edit mode?

the only type of object inside the canvas which gets notified on editmode changes is T_TEXT (to toggle the vertical line on the right), so AFAICT it's impossible to achieve without nasty tricks (see iemguts/receivecanvas :-))

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OK I just tried and mknob_newclick allows receiving hovering as you said before.

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Le ven. 7 sept. 2018 à 19:32, Antoine Rousseau <antoine@metalu.net[mailto: antoine@metalu.net]> a écrit :

I see; why not even showing outline and iolets as soon as the patch is switched to edit mode? But I must admit I don't know how to detect these events (object is hovered /or/ patch switches to /from edit mode). I'll try to find existing similar code, but maybe you have some pointers?

Antoine Rousseau http://www.metalu.net%5Bhttp://metalu.net] __ http://www.metaluachahuter.com/%5Bhttp://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/...]

Le ven. 7 sept. 2018 à 19:20, Christof Ressi <christof.ressi@gmx.at [mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at]> a écrit :> you mean like the little square of the canvas object?

kind of, except that my_canvas only shows the square when the object is selected. of course that's also possible! my idea was to show it when you hover the object in editmode, so you don't have to explicitly select the object to see where to make the connections.

Gesendet: Freitag, 07. September 2018 um 18:43 Uhr Von: "Antoine Rousseau" <antoine@metalu.net[mailto:antoine@metalu.net]> An: "Christof Ressi" <christof.ressi@gmx.at[mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at]> Cc: Pd-list <Pd-list@lists.iem.at[mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at]> Betreff: Re: Re: [PD] Slider/Knob

a visual hint (i.e. draw the rect borders and the iolets)- but only when the user hovers over the knob while the glist is in editmode

you mean like the little square of the canvas object? yes, I like the idea. I'll try this soon, thanks!

Antoine Rousseau http://www.metalu.net%5Bhttp://www.metalu.net%5D%5Bhttp://metalu.net%5B http://metalu.net]] __ http://www.metaluachahuter.com/%5Bhttp://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/...] http://www.metaluachahuter.com/%5Bhttp://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/al1-ant1/%5D%5Bhttp://www.metaluachahuter.com/%5Bhttp://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/al1-ant1/%5D%5D

Le ven. 7 sept. 2018 à 17:31, Christof Ressi <christof.ressi@gmx.at [mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at][mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at[mailto: christof.ressi@gmx.at]]> a écrit :Hi, to be honest, I never found it to be a big problem. I'm not too sure about the three outlet solution, I think it's indeed a bit far-stretched :-) what I would suggest is to give the user a visual hint (i.e. draw the rect borders and the iolets)- but only when the user hovers over the knob while the glist is in editmode. you can do this in mknob_newclick.

...

iolets are floating in an empty space near the knob;

yes, this looks a bit funny, but you usually won't have the cables visible in your final GUI anyway, so I wouldn't worry about that.

Christof

Gesendet: Freitag, 07. September 2018 um 14:45 Uhr Von: "Antoine Rousseau" <antoine@metalu.net[mailto:antoine@metalu.net ][mailto:antoine@metalu.net[mailto:antoine@metalu.net]]> An: "Christof Ressi" <christof.ressi@gmx.at[mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at ][mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at[mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at]]> Cc: Pd-list <Pd-list@lists.iem.at[mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at][mailto: Pd-list@lists.iem.at[mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at]]> Betreff: Re: [PD] Slider/Knob

Thanks for recommending mknob ;-)

I'd like to do an update of moonlib soon, as it has received some improvements: sfread2~ understands a new [index( message (thx to Antoine Villeret), and mknob now better supports zooming.

About the latter, I'd like to hear your opinion (you all mknob users...) about the following problem (and the solution I propose):

mknob poses a particular problem: because its circular shape doesn't comply to Pd graphical paradigm (every other objects are rectangular shaped), iolets are floating in an empty space near the knob; because it's visually ugly, and I don't want to surround the knob with a rectangular box, I chose not to draw the iolets, even when the mknob is not bounded to receive/send symbols. The problem (for explicitly connected knobs) is now that it's somewhat tricky to guess where you have to draw the connection to/from, and that the wire connects to/from nowhere. This is acceptable for small knob, but when it becomes bigger it's really weird.

So the only idea I see (apart from hacking Pd sources...) is to setup 3 inlets and 3 outlets, so that you can connect from/to the one in the middle; the wire is then actually connected to the circle. I succeeded to code this behaviour, keeping to possibility to use any inlet and sending to the three outlets. It's maybe a little far-fetched, but its works. What do you think of it?

Antoine Rousseau http://www.metalu.net%5Bhttp://www.metalu.net%5D%5Bhttp://www.metalu.net%5B http://www.metalu.net%5D%5D%5Bhttp://metalu.net%5Bhttp://metalu.net%5D%5B http://metalu.net%5Bhttp://metalu.net]]] __ http://www.metaluachahuter.com/%5Bhttp://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/...] http://www.metaluachahuter.com/%5Bhttp://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/al1-ant1/%5D%5Bhttp://www.metaluachahuter.com/%5Bhttp://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/al1-ant1/%5D%5D%5Bhttp://www.metaluachahuter.com/%5Bhttp://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/al1-ant1/%5D%5Bhttp://www.metaluachahuter.com/%5Bhttp://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/al1-ant1/%5D%5D%5D

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Christof

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Hello List,

I would like to use knobs instead of sliders,

where can I find them?

Cheers

Clemens

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Thanks Katja, I finally did something like that (this is kept in a separate branch (show_io) for now):

when selected, the IOs and the outline are created; they remain until the mknob is hovered (out of edit mode) or updated (value changed), while not being selected.

This way, for example, selecting_all then deselecting allows to show every mknob outline&IOs, until edit mode is switched off. Of course then the artifacts remain visible (until you hover or update the mkobs), but I hope this won't be too much annoying, and that the gain is greater than the loss.

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Le sam. 8 sept. 2018 à 17:53, katja katjavetter@gmail.com a écrit :

On 9/8/18, Antoine Rousseau antoine@metalu.net wrote:

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too bad, newclick(...) is never called when in edit mode... so: no hovering detection when in edit mode, no way to (easily) detect

edit

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mode on/off switching... back to the starting point. maybe i will... do nothing more ;-)

You could use the select function in the widgetbehavior to draw / erase an outline with IOlets. A similar thing happens in iemgui/iem_event (although it only does an outline, no IOlets). So the outline + IOlets would appear when the object is selected. In my_canvas the select method is used to switch the outline color but in iem_event the rectangle is created when the object selected, and deleted when the object deselected. Another option is to define IOlets which consist of outline only and switch outline width between 0 and 1 when (de)selecting.

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Le ven. 7 sept. 2018 à 20:33, Christof Ressi christof.ressi@gmx.at a écrit :

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cool!

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why not even showing outline and iolets as soon as the patch is switched

to edit mode?

the only type of object inside the canvas which gets notified on

editmode

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changes is T_TEXT (to toggle the vertical line on the right), so AFAICT it's impossible to achieve without nasty tricks (see iemguts/receivecanvas :-))

Gesendet: Freitag, 07. September 2018 um 19:39 Uhr Von: "Antoine Rousseau" antoine@metalu.net An: "Antoine@metalu.net" antoine@metalu.net Cc: "Christof Ressi" christof.ressi@gmx.at, Pd-list < Pd-list@lists.iem.at> Betreff: Re: Re: Re: [PD] Slider/Knob

OK I just tried and mknob_newclick allows receiving hovering as you said before.

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Le ven. 7 sept. 2018 à 19:32, Antoine Rousseau <antoine@metalu.net[mailto: antoine@metalu.net]> a écrit :

I see; why not even showing outline and iolets as soon as the patch is switched to edit mode? But I must admit I don't know how to detect these events (object is hovered /or/ patch switches to /from edit mode). I'll try to find existing similar code, but maybe you have some pointers?

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Le ven. 7 sept. 2018 à 19:20, Christof Ressi <christof.ressi@gmx.at [mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at]> a écrit :> you mean like the little square of the canvas object?

kind of, except that my_canvas only shows the square when the object is selected. of course that's also possible! my idea was to show it when

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hover the object in editmode, so you don't have to explicitly select the object to see where to make the connections.

Gesendet: Freitag, 07. September 2018 um 18:43 Uhr Von: "Antoine Rousseau" <antoine@metalu.net[mailto:antoine@metalu.net]> An: "Christof Ressi" <christof.ressi@gmx.at[mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at]> Cc: Pd-list <Pd-list@lists.iem.at[mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at]> Betreff: Re: Re: [PD] Slider/Knob

a visual hint (i.e. draw the rect borders and the iolets)- but only when the user hovers over the knob while the glist is in editmode

you mean like the little square of the canvas object? yes, I like the idea. I'll try this soon, thanks!

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Le ven. 7 sept. 2018 à 17:31, Christof Ressi <christof.ressi@gmx.at [mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at][mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at[mailto: christof.ressi@gmx.at]]> a écrit :Hi, to be honest, I never found it to be a big problem. I'm not too sure about the three outlet solution, I think it's indeed a bit far-stretched :-) what I would suggest is to give the user a visual hint (i.e. draw the rect borders and the iolets)- but only when the user hovers over the knob while the glist is in editmode. you can do this in mknob_newclick.

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iolets are floating in an empty space near the knob;

yes, this looks a bit funny, but you usually won't have the cables visible in your final GUI anyway, so I wouldn't worry about that.

Christof

Gesendet: Freitag, 07. September 2018 um 14:45 Uhr Von: "Antoine Rousseau" <antoine@metalu.net[mailto:antoine@metalu.net ][mailto:antoine@metalu.net[mailto:antoine@metalu.net]]> An: "Christof Ressi" <christof.ressi@gmx.at[mailto:

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Thanks for recommending mknob ;-)

I'd like to do an update of moonlib soon, as it has received some improvements: sfread2~ understands a new [index( message (thx to Antoine Villeret), and mknob now better supports zooming.

About the latter, I'd like to hear your opinion (you all mknob users...) about the following problem (and the solution I propose):

mknob poses a particular problem: because its circular shape doesn't comply to Pd graphical paradigm (every other objects are rectangular shaped), iolets are floating in an empty space near the knob; because it's visually ugly, and I don't want to surround the knob with a rectangular box, I chose not to draw the iolets, even when the mknob is not bounded to receive/send symbols. The problem (for explicitly connected knobs) is now that it's somewhat tricky to guess where you have to draw the connection to/from, and that the wire connects to/from nowhere. This is acceptable for small knob, but when it becomes bigger it's really weird.

So the only idea I see (apart from hacking Pd sources...) is to setup 3 inlets and 3 outlets, so that you can connect from/to the one in the middle; the wire is then actually connected to the circle. I succeeded

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code this behaviour, keeping to possibility to use any inlet and sending to the three outlets. It's maybe a little far-fetched, but its works. What do you think of it?

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Le ven. 7 sept. 2018 à 13:05, Christof Ressi <christof.ressi@gmx.at [mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at][mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at[mailto: christof.ressi@gmx.at]][mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at[mailto: christof.ressi@gmx.at][mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at[mailto: christof.ressi@gmx.at]]]> a écrit :I recommend mknob from moonlib, but make sure you get the latest version from deken for pd >= 0.47

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Betreff: [PD] Slider/Knob

Hello List,

I would like to use knobs instead of sliders,

where can I find them?

Cheers

Clemens

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On 2018-09-21 09:59, Clemens wrote:

Hello Oliver,

is it possible to add the name of the knob to the knob (surface), like you can do with a H-slider e.g.?

mmh, it's possible. but it would make the knobs uglier for sure, which would defeat the purpose ;-))

i myself use mostly small versions of [ol_knob] that would become an unreadable mess, if they all showed its remote name.

about the vanilla GUIs: yes, you can print its send/receive name, but mostly people use the label for user hints. meaning: a slider that's labeled "volume" is likely to actually have a different, more cryptic s/r name, like "$0-vol" or "pl1_v".

if i should ever really forget what the remote name of my own UI is, i right-click "open" it (after all it's just a PD patch with a GOP) and have a look inside. it's written in a symbol box and of course also in the window title bar (1st argument)

another thought about this:

how about a "safe" area on the knob surface (let's say the lower-right corner) that prints out the remote name in the PD window when clicked ?

best

oliver

Just for clarity reasons?

Cheers

Clemens

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