i'm for it... it would let some more shy lurker types who have user level questions feel less shy about asking them when they dont have to feel like they are distracting the core developers with their "noise" :)

On Mon, 6 May 2002, mark wrote:

Hi,

I am not massively convinced that this is such a good idea - the traffic on this list seems fairly low to me and having to subscribe to and manage three separate lists seems like a lot of extra hassle. Is not not worth having a bit of a straw poll see how everyone feels about this first?

cheers

mark

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-----Original Message----- From: IOhannes m zmoelnig [mailto:zmoelnig@iem.kug.ac.at] Sent: 06 May 2002 19:41 To: pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at Subject: [PD] [admin] pd mailing lists....

hi !

due to the big traffic on this list, i finally decided to make some more pd-related mailinglists for announcements and (maybe more important) developer's issues: these are :: PD-announce@iem.kug.ac.at (for announcements of upcoming software-releases and events/concerts) PD-dev@iem.kug.ac.at (for developper issues: both the main branch of pd and external-development. we will see, whether the future will demand separate lists for these two tasks)

both lists will be run by MailMan (which is good news), so everyone can modify his/her list-account via a web-interface. you'll get an automated mail that deals with this.

soon, i will migrate the pd-list itself (incl. pd-ot) to MailMan too.

i hope, there will be no problems....

mfg.csda.dr IOhannes

Josh .. Yoshi .. Joschi .. xiphoidprocess.com .. eds.org/~joschi

hmmm... well, a lot of people seem to want to keep them together... and others don't. i don't care, much, and i think there's a compromise:

keep one list, but with standardized subject line flags for people who want to sort (or even interesting headers). upon successful subscription, send a list info document that gives a quick introduction to list standards, including a nice, explicitly welcoming, non-threatening, "check the docs then ask your question" section right at the top. this should also detail the sorting convention.

this way, people that don't want to deal with newbie questions can filter, people that don't want to deal with dev can filter, and people that want everything don't have to do anything, preserving status quo for the lazy like me.

can the list management software do this?

-j

Hi

On Mon, 6 May 2002, mark wrote:

Is not not worth having a bit of a straw poll see how everyone feels about this first?

While I don't contribute much, I find the list traffic manageable. Also, I get to hear about parts of pd that I wouldn't unless I was on the list. So I vote for one unwieldy [often OT] list.

-- \js [your ad here]

I agree. I enjoy the cross-section of information i get by having one unified list.

... and the traffic isn't bad at all.

matt.

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Hi

On Mon, 6 May 2002, mark wrote:

...

Is not not worth having a bit of a straw poll see how everyone feels about this first?

While I don't contribute much, I find the list traffic manageable. Also, I get to hear about parts of pd that I wouldn't unless I was on the list. So I vote for one unwieldy [often OT] list.

-- \js [your ad here]

On 7 May, martin pi wrote:

also, people would have to decide wich list to subscribe - and most would subscribe all of the lists, thus not reduce the amount of mails received.

martin

three lists would mean three different me reading three lists. currently we are reading one list. yes there are Mr. Announce jr, Mrs User and Cat-Developer-Thing-Smile here. face it up.

Announce likes to read patch ideas and urls, too

bye

• Robert Figura

to subscribe to and manage three separate lists seems like a lot of extra hassle. Is not not worth having a bit of a straw poll see how everyone feels about this first?

It would take me all of one minute to subscribe to three lists... including setting up folders and filters in evolution to manage them seperately.

IMHO there is no reason not to split them up. It would certainly improve organization in my mail client since I tend to save interesting messages for a long time, sometimes I have to dig through the archives... cleaner == better.

andy

exactly, personally i will be on all of them, but there are definitely people who don't know C and would not really care to hear about the inner workings of PD :)

On Tue, 7 May 2002, joge . wrote:

the one list thing is not so bad .. but then again more then one is ok too ... its nice to see all of the peoples commments and questions . i mean ,. i'd like to develop the *core* , but i also develop pd patches for interactive purposes .

but if the lists are already set up .. or it makes it easeier for you to manage then i think its a good idea .

joge .

----- Original Message ----- From: "mark" mark@junklight.com To: "IOhannes m zmoelnig" zmoelnig@iem.kug.ac.at; pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 3:33 PM Subject: RE: [PD] [admin] pd mailing lists....

...

Hi,

I am not massively convinced that this is such a good idea - the traffic on this list seems fairly low to me and having to subscribe to and manage three separate lists seems like a lot of extra hassle. Is not not worth having a bit of a straw poll see how everyone feels about this first?

cheers

mark

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junklight - dark experimental electronics http://www.junklight.com

-----Original Message----- From: IOhannes m zmoelnig [mailto:zmoelnig@iem.kug.ac.at] Sent: 06 May 2002 19:41 To: pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at Subject: [PD] [admin] pd mailing lists....

hi !

due to the big traffic on this list, i finally decided to make some more pd-related mailinglists for announcements and (maybe more important) developer's issues: these are :: PD-announce@iem.kug.ac.at (for announcements of upcoming software-releases and events/concerts) PD-dev@iem.kug.ac.at (for developper issues: both the main branch of pd and external-development. we will see, whether the future will demand separate lists for these two tasks)

both lists will be run by MailMan (which is good news), so everyone can modify his/her list-account via a web-interface. you'll get an automated mail that deals with this.

soon, i will migrate the pd-list itself (incl. pd-ot) to MailMan too.

i hope, there will be no problems....

mfg.csda.dr IOhannes

Josh .. Yoshi .. Joschi .. xiphoidprocess.com .. eds.org/~joschi

Hi, mark hat gesagt: // mark wrote:

I am not massively convinced that this is such a good idea - the traffic on this list seems fairly low to me and having to subscribe to and manage three separate lists seems like a lot of extra hassle.

I made a quick check, how much mail I got from various mailing lists in this year, and pd-list is somewhere in the middle. I got most traffic on "debian-user-german", around 6.1 M gzipped, this was followed by, sic!, "csound" with around 3.8 M gzipped! Of pd-list I have 1.9 M gzipped mails in my archive 2002 and this is about the same amount as linux-audio-user (LAU) and linux-audio-dev (LAD) combined.

So I'll have to admit, that pd-list now seems to be on par with linux-audio-dev had they not split off the linux-audio-user list!

But it's nowhere near csound, where people talk about everything from "Stockhausen: genius or a*hole?" to "patch for new function table generator".

I'm not sure, what policy is best. I had been an advocate for the creation of the LAU-list on LAD, but I also like the wild discussions and the merging of developers and users on e.g. csound.

So I force my vote to be:

Don't split pd-dev and pd-users, but make an anouncement-list

ciao,

Frank Barknecht _ _______footils__

"Andre Schmidt" andre@vju.info wrote:

or i could ask, who would NOT subscribe to ALL the lists? (i'm no c developer but i still read them all, while you never know)

I would subscrube to all of them.

mik