One thing worth mentioning is that the [line], [line~] and [vline~] objects clear the values send to the cold inlets after sending a message to the hot inlet. This makes sure you can do:

[1, 0 1000(

If this wasn't the case, then the [1( message would take the last ramp value, instead of setting the state immediately.

This is a bit off an oddity, because usually objects keep values stored in cold inlets.

Everything IOhannes and I said is actually clearly documented in the help patch for [line], but missing in the help patches for [line~] and [vline~]. Maybe they should refer to [line] more explicitly...

Christof

On 18.03.2020 10:30, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:

On 3/18/20 10:03 AM, Peter P. wrote:

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Hi list,

what is the function of the second inlet of line~ and the second and third inlet of vline~? The help patches don't mention it and the list

both [line~] and [vline~] only have *float* inlets.

however, you will mostly send "list" messages to those objects, so how does this work?

if you send a message [0 100( to [line~], you are really sending a "100" to the second inlet, and then a "0" to the first inlet. similarily, if you send [1 100 50( to [vline~], you are really sending "50" to the 3rd inlet, then "100" to the 2nd inlet and finally "1" to the 1st inlet.

see also doc/2.control.examples/04.messages.pd

gfmdsar IOhannes

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• Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com [2020-03-18 13:59]:

I updated the help files in my "Documentation Updates" branch

https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/829/commits/3f86e7fbb382596b749b...

Thank you Alexandre! I am somewhat of a git novice, is there a git command line command so that I can check out these three modified files quickly by the way?

best, P

• IOhannes m zmölnig zmoelnig@iem.at [2020-03-19 09:26]:

On 3/19/20 7:57 AM, Peter P. wrote:

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• Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com [2020-03-18 13:59]:

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I updated the help files in my "Documentation Updates" branch

https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/829/commits/3f86e7fbb382596b749b...

Thank you Alexandre! I am somewhat of a git novice, is there a git command line command so that I can check out these three modified files quickly by the way?

https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/tree/3f86e7fbb382596b749be17385c9db41...

note that the long weirdo string in this link ("3f86...525a") is the very same as the one in alex' mail.

you could also get there by following the link alex gave, then click on the "more info" link (aka "…") besides one of the changed files and select "View File".

Thank you for this good explanation! P