hi,
i have pd installed on ubunty 9.10 - karmic koala.
i have absolutely no sound when i fire up pd. i've tried fooling around with the Media>settings for OSS, ALSA, jack, default MIDI.
No sound. What gives?
Thank you,
Y
could be pulseaudio is the problem?
from the command line try
pasuspender pd
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Aditya Mandayam adityams@gmail.com wrote:
hi,
i have pd installed on ubunty 9.10 - karmic koala.
i have absolutely no sound when i fire up pd. i've tried fooling around with the Media>settings for OSS, ALSA, jack, default MIDI.
No sound. What gives?
Thank you,
Y
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ok, using ALSA i have sound now, but i still get the following DIO errors within PD:
'tried but could not sync A/D/A'
?
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 6:09 PM, John Harrison johnharrisonwsu@gmail.com wrote:
could be pulseaudio is the problem?
from the command line try
pasuspender pd
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Aditya Mandayam adityams@gmail.com wrote:
hi,
i have pd installed on ubunty 9.10 - karmic koala.
i have absolutely no sound when i fire up pd. i've tried fooling around with the Media>settings for OSS, ALSA, jack, default MIDI.
No sound. What gives?
Thank you,
Y
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Is pasuspender something that could be integrated into the Pd-extended
menu launch item somehow? I'd really like to make sure that Pd will
output audio by just starting it in Debian/Ubunut.
.hc
On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:09 PM, John Harrison wrote:
could be pulseaudio is the problem?
from the command line try
pasuspender pd
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Aditya Mandayam
adityams@gmail.com wrote: hi,i have pd installed on ubunty 9.10 - karmic koala.
i have absolutely no sound when i fire up pd. i've tried fooling around with the Media>settings for OSS, ALSA, jack, default MIDI.
No sound. What gives?
Thank you,
Y
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I can get sound going with karmic fine out of the box with alsa. however, its not connecting with jack. any suggestions on why that might be? Ardour and jack are fine with rt...
Pd version 0.42.5-extended-20091103 Karmic 9.10 32bit uname -a Linux local 2.6.31-9-rt #152-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT RT Thu Oct 15 05:01:14 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
thanks
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
Is pasuspender something that could be integrated into the Pd-extended menu launch item somehow? I'd really like to make sure that Pd will output audio by just starting it in Debian/Ubunut.
.hc
On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:09 PM, John Harrison wrote:
could be pulseaudio is the problem?
from the command line try
pasuspender pd
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Aditya Mandayam adityams@gmail.comwrote:
hi,
i have pd installed on ubunty 9.10 - karmic koala.
i have absolutely no sound when i fire up pd. i've tried fooling around with the Media>settings for OSS, ALSA, jack, default MIDI.
No sound. What gives?
Thank you,
Y
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IIRC there is some sort of ALSA compatibility layer in Pulseaudio and I think it would be nice if Pd-extended could choose this ALSA "driver" or "soft card" or whatever it would be called. That would be a better solution than pasuspender because then Pd would be playing "nice" with all the other sound apps concurrently. Latency might be slightly worse but I think for beginners at least the initial experience would be more positive, as many of these users are coming from OS X and Windows platforms where sound applications sharing the same sound card concurrently is expected behavior.
I also vaguely remember the pulseaudio is only an issue with ALSA when there is no hardware mixer in the card. But my guess is that would be all cheap sound cards, since it has been the case with the built-in cards on all the Linux-based laptops I run into.
-John
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
Is pasuspender something that could be integrated into the Pd-extended menu launch item somehow? I'd really like to make sure that Pd will output audio by just starting it in Debian/Ubunut.
.hc
On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:09 PM, John Harrison wrote:
could be pulseaudio is the problem?
from the command line try
pasuspender pd
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Aditya Mandayam adityams@gmail.comwrote:
hi,
i have pd installed on ubunty 9.10 - karmic koala.
i have absolutely no sound when i fire up pd. i've tried fooling around with the Media>settings for OSS, ALSA, jack, default MIDI.
No sound. What gives?
Thank you,
Y
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How would we make Pd use that ALSA compatibility layer? I know about
the OSS emulation in Pulseaudio, I believe that would work by doing
'padsp pd'.
.hc
On Nov 13, 2009, at 11:28 PM, John Harrison wrote:
IIRC there is some sort of ALSA compatibility layer in Pulseaudio
and I think it would be nice if Pd-extended could choose this ALSA
"driver" or "soft card" or whatever it would be called. That would
be a better solution than pasuspender because then Pd would be
playing "nice" with all the other sound apps concurrently. Latency
might be slightly worse but I think for beginners at least the
initial experience would be more positive, as many of these users
are coming from OS X and Windows platforms where sound applications
sharing the same sound card concurrently is expected behavior.I also vaguely remember the pulseaudio is only an issue with ALSA
when there is no hardware mixer in the card. But my guess is that
would be all cheap sound cards, since it has been the case with the
built-in cards on all the Linux-based laptops I run into.-John
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner
hans@at.or.at wrote:Is pasuspender something that could be integrated into the Pd- extended menu launch item somehow? I'd really like to make sure
that Pd will output audio by just starting it in Debian/Ubunut..hc
On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:09 PM, John Harrison wrote:
could be pulseaudio is the problem?
from the command line try
pasuspender pd
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Aditya Mandayam
adityams@gmail.com wrote: hi,i have pd installed on ubunty 9.10 - karmic koala.
i have absolutely no sound when i fire up pd. i've tried fooling around with the Media>settings for OSS, ALSA, jack, default MIDI.
No sound. What gives?
Thank you,
Y
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government." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
I think that the problem is PulseAudio. When I try to start jack i really need to shutdoen every program using the server (pulseaudio is a kind of a server) so that jack has control over the sound card. Only after running jack and starting the server, you can open Puredata and then select in media the jack out/in and connect it in qjackctrl. I tested it with Pd vanilla, but I think it will be the same with pd-extended, since is the same audio engine.
Remember that need to close all software that uses audio, including firefox etc.....
2009/11/14 Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at
How would we make Pd use that ALSA compatibility layer? I know about the OSS emulation in Pulseaudio, I believe that would work by doing 'padsp pd'.
.hc
On Nov 13, 2009, at 11:28 PM, John Harrison wrote:
IIRC there is some sort of ALSA compatibility layer in Pulseaudio and I think it would be nice if Pd-extended could choose this ALSA "driver" or "soft card" or whatever it would be called. That would be a better solution than pasuspender because then Pd would be playing "nice" with all the other sound apps concurrently. Latency might be slightly worse but I think for beginners at least the initial experience would be more positive, as many of these users are coming from OS X and Windows platforms where sound applications sharing the same sound card concurrently is expected behavior.
I also vaguely remember the pulseaudio is only an issue with ALSA when there is no hardware mixer in the card. But my guess is that would be all cheap sound cards, since it has been the case with the built-in cards on all the Linux-based laptops I run into.
-John
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
Is pasuspender something that could be integrated into the Pd-extended menu launch item somehow? I'd really like to make sure that Pd will output audio by just starting it in Debian/Ubunut.
.hc
On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:09 PM, John Harrison wrote:
could be pulseaudio is the problem?
from the command line try
pasuspender pd
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Aditya Mandayam adityams@gmail.comwrote:
hi,
i have pd installed on ubunty 9.10 - karmic koala.
i have absolutely no sound when i fire up pd. i've tried fooling around with the Media>settings for OSS, ALSA, jack, default MIDI.
No sound. What gives?
Thank you,
Y
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Pd should just work with PulseAudio. Pd should be able to play audio
while other apps are also playing audio. Pd does this on Mac OS X and
Windows, so it should do it on GNU/Linux as well. The only question
is, what's the best way to do this?
Audacity also has this problem, so I guess its not an easy one to
solve...
.hc
On Nov 14, 2009, at 10:24 AM, Ricardo Lameiro wrote:
I think that the problem is PulseAudio. When I try to start jack i
really need to shutdoen every program using the server (pulseaudio
is a kind of a server) so that jack has control over the sound card.
Only after running jack and starting the server, you can open
Puredata and then select in media the jack out/in and connect it in
qjackctrl. I tested it with Pd vanilla, but I think it will be the same with pd- extended, since is the same audio engine.Remember that need to close all software that uses audio, including
firefox etc.....2009/11/14 Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at
How would we make Pd use that ALSA compatibility layer? I know
about the OSS emulation in Pulseaudio, I believe that would work by
doing 'padsp pd'..hc
On Nov 13, 2009, at 11:28 PM, John Harrison wrote:
IIRC there is some sort of ALSA compatibility layer in Pulseaudio
and I think it would be nice if Pd-extended could choose this ALSA
"driver" or "soft card" or whatever it would be called. That would
be a better solution than pasuspender because then Pd would be
playing "nice" with all the other sound apps concurrently. Latency
might be slightly worse but I think for beginners at least the
initial experience would be more positive, as many of these users
are coming from OS X and Windows platforms where sound applications
sharing the same sound card concurrently is expected behavior.I also vaguely remember the pulseaudio is only an issue with ALSA
when there is no hardware mixer in the card. But my guess is that
would be all cheap sound cards, since it has been the case with the
built-in cards on all the Linux-based laptops I run into.-John
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at
wrote:
Is pasuspender something that could be integrated into the Pd- extended menu launch item somehow? I'd really like to make sure
that Pd will output audio by just starting it in Debian/Ubunut..hc
On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:09 PM, John Harrison wrote:
could be pulseaudio is the problem?
from the command line try
pasuspender pd
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Aditya Mandayam
adityams@gmail.com wrote: hi,i have pd installed on ubunty 9.10 - karmic koala.
i have absolutely no sound when i fire up pd. i've tried fooling around with the Media>settings for OSS, ALSA, jack, default MIDI.
No sound. What gives?
Thank you,
Y
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That is true, but if you want realtime audio and low latency, you need to use jack. And also, the firewire cards (at least the FFADO) work only in Jack. I like the idea of having audio concurrency, which is very good for day to day desktop use, but for professional audio that is not good. I think that Linux shuldn't imitate the bad things in MAC and Windows. If you want Pro audio, you use pro drivers and thas it. Asio came for some reason....
2009/11/14 Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at
Pd should just work with PulseAudio. Pd should be able to play audio while other apps are also playing audio. Pd does this on Mac OS X and Windows, so it should do it on GNU/Linux as well. The only question is, what's the best way to do this?
Audacity also has this problem, so I guess its not an easy one to solve...
.hc
On Nov 14, 2009, at 10:24 AM, Ricardo Lameiro wrote:
I think that the problem is PulseAudio. When I try to start jack i really need to shutdoen every program using the server (pulseaudio is a kind of a server) so that jack has control over the sound card. Only after running jack and starting the server, you can open Puredata and then select in media the jack out/in and connect it in qjackctrl. I tested it with Pd vanilla, but I think it will be the same with pd-extended, since is the same audio engine.
Remember that need to close all software that uses audio, including firefox etc.....
2009/11/14 Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at
How would we make Pd use that ALSA compatibility layer? I know about the OSS emulation in Pulseaudio, I believe that would work by doing 'padsp pd'.
.hc
On Nov 13, 2009, at 11:28 PM, John Harrison wrote:
IIRC there is some sort of ALSA compatibility layer in Pulseaudio and I think it would be nice if Pd-extended could choose this ALSA "driver" or "soft card" or whatever it would be called. That would be a better solution than pasuspender because then Pd would be playing "nice" with all the other sound apps concurrently. Latency might be slightly worse but I think for beginners at least the initial experience would be more positive, as many of these users are coming from OS X and Windows platforms where sound applications sharing the same sound card concurrently is expected behavior.
I also vaguely remember the pulseaudio is only an issue with ALSA when there is no hardware mixer in the card. But my guess is that would be all cheap sound cards, since it has been the case with the built-in cards on all the Linux-based laptops I run into.
-John
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
Is pasuspender something that could be integrated into the Pd-extended menu launch item somehow? I'd really like to make sure that Pd will output audio by just starting it in Debian/Ubunut.
.hc
On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:09 PM, John Harrison wrote:
could be pulseaudio is the problem?
from the command line try
pasuspender pd
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Aditya Mandayam adityams@gmail.comwrote:
hi,
i have pd installed on ubunty 9.10 - karmic koala.
i have absolutely no sound when i fire up pd. i've tried fooling around with the Media>settings for OSS, ALSA, jack, default MIDI.
No sound. What gives?
Thank you,
Y
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Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
How would we make Pd use that ALSA compatibility layer? I know about the OSS emulation in Pulseaudio, I believe that would work by doing 'padsp pd'.
padsp pd add to much latency, it is clearly unusable for pd.
on karmic, i have to set pd audio buffer to 400ms...
c
.hc
On Nov 13, 2009, at 11:28 PM, John Harrison wrote:
IIRC there is some sort of ALSA compatibility layer in Pulseaudio and I think it would be nice if Pd-extended could choose this ALSA "driver" or "soft card" or whatever it would be called. That would be a better solution than pasuspender because then Pd would be playing "nice" with all the other sound apps concurrently. Latency might be slightly worse but I think for beginners at least the initial experience would be more positive, as many of these users are coming from OS X and Windows platforms where sound applications sharing the same sound card concurrently is expected behavior.
I also vaguely remember the pulseaudio is only an issue with ALSA when there is no hardware mixer in the card. But my guess is that would be all cheap sound cards, since it has been the case with the built-in cards on all the Linux-based laptops I run into.
-John
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at mailto:hans@at.or.at> wrote:
Is pasuspender something that could be integrated into the Pd-extended menu launch item somehow? I'd really like to make sure that Pd will output audio by just starting it in Debian/Ubunut. .hc On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:09 PM, John Harrison wrote:could be pulseaudio is the problem? from the command line try pasuspender pd On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Aditya Mandayam <adityams@gmail.com <mailto:adityams@gmail.com>> wrote: hi, i have pd installed on ubunty 9.10 - karmic koala. i have absolutely no sound when i fire up pd. i've tried fooling around with the Media>settings for OSS, ALSA, jack, default MIDI. No sound. What gives? Thank you, Y _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- John http://alumni.media.mit.edu/~harrison/ <http://alumni.media.mit.edu/%7Eharrison/> _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer science is no more related to the computer than astronomy is related to the telescope. -Edsger Dykstra
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Sound with lots of latency is better than no sound at all. Here's how
I see it now:
- pd currently doesn't make sound on Fedora/Debian/Ubuntu without
changing settings
- newbies are screwed, no sound output
- advanced users already setup their own audio
So if we use padsp by default, we get this, which seems preferrable to
me:
- pd makes sound on Fedora/Debian/Ubuntu without changing settings
- newbies get sound with lots of latency
- advanced users already setup their own audio
Even better, you could get sound from Pd and other apps at the same
time. If there is a way to get to the second status without big
latency, that would be the best. 'padsp' is the only trick I know of,
I haven't tried pasuspender tho.
.hc
On Nov 14, 2009, at 5:30 AM, cyrille henry wrote:
padsp pd add to much latency, it is clearly unusable for pd.
on karmic, i have to set pd audio buffer to 400ms...
c
Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
How would we make Pd use that ALSA compatibility layer? I know
about the OSS emulation in Pulseaudio, I believe that would work by
doing 'padsp pd'. .hc On Nov 13, 2009, at 11:28 PM, John Harrison wrote:IIRC there is some sort of ALSA compatibility layer in Pulseaudio
and I think it would be nice if Pd-extended could choose this ALSA
"driver" or "soft card" or whatever it would be called. That would
be a better solution than pasuspender because then Pd would be
playing "nice" with all the other sound apps concurrently. Latency
might be slightly worse but I think for beginners at least the
initial experience would be more positive, as many of these users
are coming from OS X and Windows platforms where sound
applications sharing the same sound card concurrently is expected
behavior.I also vaguely remember the pulseaudio is only an issue with ALSA
when there is no hardware mixer in the card. But my guess is that
would be all cheap sound cards, since it has been the case with
the built-in cards on all the Linux-based laptops I run into.-John
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at mailto:hans@at.or.at> wrote:
Is pasuspender something that could be integrated into the Pd-extended menu launch item somehow? I'd really like to make sure that Pd will output audio by just starting it in Debian/ Ubunut.
.hc
On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:09 PM, John Harrison wrote:
could be pulseaudio is the problem?
from the command line try
pasuspender pd
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Aditya Mandayam <adityams@gmail.com mailto:adityams@gmail.com> wrote:
hi, i have pd installed on ubunty 9.10 - karmic koala. i have absolutely no sound when i fire up pd. i've triedfooling around with the Media>settings for OSS, ALSA, jack,
default MIDI.No sound. What gives? Thank you, Y _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list-- John http://alumni.media.mit.edu/~harrison/ http://alumni.media.mit.edu/%7Eharrison/ _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
Sound with lots of latency is better than no sound at all.
i don't think so. no sound -> you realize that there is a problem that need to be fixed. big latency -> you think ubuntu / pd is crappy.
Here's how I see it now:
- pd currently doesn't make sound on Fedora/Debian/Ubuntu without
changing settings
well, it depend of your sound card i think. mine work perfectly with oss, so i did not have to do anything to have sound. as long as i don't use other audio software.
- newbies are screwed, no sound output
- advanced users already setup their own audio
i did not set up anything.
So if we use padsp by default, we get this, which seems preferrable to me:
- pd makes sound on Fedora/Debian/Ubuntu without changing settings
- newbies get sound with lots of latency
- advanced users already setup their own audio
we will have lot's of mail in this list asking why pd can't make a sound with less than 500ms latency, and i'll answer : "pd extended configuration is crappy"
Even better, you could get sound from Pd and other apps at the same time. If there is a way to get to the second status without big latency, that would be the best.
yes, that would be the best. but i did not find any solution other than installing jack or maybe having pd to use pulse audio...
'padsp' is the only trick I know of, I haven't tried pasuspender tho.
pasuspender work great, as expected : it stop other applications from using the sound card so pd can have full control of it. and as soon as pd stop it gives back the sound to the other applications...
padsp is definitly not a good solution, pasuspender is the way to go i my opinion.
c
.hc
On Nov 14, 2009, at 5:30 AM, cyrille henry wrote:
padsp pd add to much latency, it is clearly unusable for pd.
on karmic, i have to set pd audio buffer to 400ms...
c
Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
How would we make Pd use that ALSA compatibility layer? I know about the OSS emulation in Pulseaudio, I believe that would work by doing 'padsp pd'. .hc On Nov 13, 2009, at 11:28 PM, John Harrison wrote:
IIRC there is some sort of ALSA compatibility layer in Pulseaudio and I think it would be nice if Pd-extended could choose this ALSA "driver" or "soft card" or whatever it would be called. That would be a better solution than pasuspender because then Pd would be playing "nice" with all the other sound apps concurrently. Latency might be slightly worse but I think for beginners at least the initial experience would be more positive, as many of these users are coming from OS X and Windows platforms where sound applications sharing the same sound card concurrently is expected behavior.
I also vaguely remember the pulseaudio is only an issue with ALSA when there is no hardware mixer in the card. But my guess is that would be all cheap sound cards, since it has been the case with the built-in cards on all the Linux-based laptops I run into.
-John
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at mailto:hans@at.or.at> wrote:
Is pasuspender something that could be integrated into the Pd-extended menu launch item somehow? I'd really like to make sure that Pd will output audio by just starting it in Debian/Ubunut.
.hc
On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:09 PM, John Harrison wrote:
could be pulseaudio is the problem?
from the command line try
pasuspender pd
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Aditya Mandayam <adityams@gmail.com mailto:adityams@gmail.com> wrote:
hi, i have pd installed on ubunty 9.10 - karmic koala. i have absolutely no sound when i fire up pd. i've triedfooling around with the Media>settings for OSS, ALSA, jack, default MIDI.
No sound. What gives? Thank you, Y _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list-- John http://alumni.media.mit.edu/~harrison/ http://alumni.media.mit.edu/%7Eharrison/ _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
The problem is getting things working for newbies. This has never
worked for me, but I haven't tried Karmic yet:
- install default Ubuntu setup
- install puredata.deb or pd-extended.deb
- launch pd using the GNOME menu item
- then check sound
This works on Mac OS X and Windows. I am guessing that you don't run
pulseaudio, so that is a non-default config. I still think a crappy
working config is a better default than a non-working config.
.hc
On Nov 14, 2009, at 11:53 AM, cyrille henry wrote:
Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
Sound with lots of latency is better than no sound at all.
i don't think so. no sound -> you realize that there is a problem that need to be fixed. big latency -> you think ubuntu / pd is crappy.
Here's how I see it now:
- pd currently doesn't make sound on Fedora/Debian/Ubuntu without
changing settings
well, it depend of your sound card i think. mine work perfectly with oss, so i did not have to do anything to
have sound. as long as i don't use other audio software.
- newbies are screwed, no sound output
- advanced users already setup their own audio
i did not set up anything.
So if we use padsp by default, we get this, which seems preferrable
to me:
- pd makes sound on Fedora/Debian/Ubuntu without changing settings
- newbies get sound with lots of latency
- advanced users already setup their own audio
we will have lot's of mail in this list asking why pd can't make a
sound with less than 500ms latency, and i'll answer : "pd extended
configuration is crappy"Even better, you could get sound from Pd and other apps at the same
time. If there is a way to get to the second status without big
latency, that would be the best.yes, that would be the best. but i did not find any solution other than installing jack or maybe
having pd to use pulse audio...'padsp' is the only trick I know of, I haven't tried pasuspender tho.
pasuspender work great, as expected : it stop other applications
from using the sound card so pd can have full control of it. and as
soon as pd stop it gives back the sound to the other applications...padsp is definitly not a good solution, pasuspender is the way to go
i my opinion.c
.hc On Nov 14, 2009, at 5:30 AM, cyrille henry wrote:
padsp pd add to much latency, it is clearly unusable for pd.
on karmic, i have to set pd audio buffer to 400ms...
c
Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
How would we make Pd use that ALSA compatibility layer? I know
about the OSS emulation in Pulseaudio, I believe that would work
by doing 'padsp pd'. .hc On Nov 13, 2009, at 11:28 PM, John Harrison wrote:IIRC there is some sort of ALSA compatibility layer in
Pulseaudio and I think it would be nice if Pd-extended could
choose this ALSA "driver" or "soft card" or whatever it would be
called. That would be a better solution than pasuspender because
then Pd would be playing "nice" with all the other sound apps
concurrently. Latency might be slightly worse but I think for
beginners at least the initial experience would be more
positive, as many of these users are coming from OS X and
Windows platforms where sound applications sharing the same
sound card concurrently is expected behavior.I also vaguely remember the pulseaudio is only an issue with
ALSA when there is no hardware mixer in the card. But my guess
is that would be all cheap sound cards, since it has been the
case with the built-in cards on all the Linux-based laptops I
run into.-John
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at mailto:hans@at.or.at> wrote:
Is pasuspender something that could be integrated into the Pd-extended menu launch item somehow? I'd really like to make sure that Pd will output audio by just starting it in Debian/ Ubunut.
.hc
On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:09 PM, John Harrison wrote:
could be pulseaudio is the problem?
from the command line try
pasuspender pd
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Aditya Mandayam <adityams@gmail.com mailto:adityams@gmail.com> wrote:
hi, i have pd installed on ubunty 9.10 - karmic koala. i have absolutely no sound when i fire up pd. i've triedfooling around with the Media>settings for OSS, ALSA, jack,
default MIDI.No sound. What gives? Thank you, Y _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list-- John http://alumni.media.mit.edu/~harrison/ http://alumni.media.mit.edu/%7Eharrison/ _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Computer science is no more related to the computer than
astronomy is related to the telescope. -Edsger Dykstra
"[T]he greatest purveyor of violence in the world today [is] my
own government." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
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---------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
The problem is getting things working for newbies. This has never worked for me, but I haven't tried Karmic yet:
i don't think karmic will make any diference.
- install default Ubuntu setup
- install puredata.deb or pd-extended.deb
- launch pd using the GNOME menu item
- then check sound
This works on Mac OS X and Windows. I am guessing that you don't run pulseaudio, so that is a non-default config.
i do run pulse audio. when pulse audio don't use the sound card, pd can use it. the only modification to the audio configuration i'm doing is removing ubuntu sound.
I still think a crappy working config is a better default than a non-working config.
what is the problem with pasuspender? you can't watch youtube video when using pd, but pd should always act normal.
so, pasuspender is crappy, padsp is very crappy...
c
.hc
On Nov 14, 2009, at 11:53 AM, cyrille henry wrote:
Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
Sound with lots of latency is better than no sound at all.
i don't think so. no sound -> you realize that there is a problem that need to be fixed. big latency -> you think ubuntu / pd is crappy.
Here's how I see it now:
- pd currently doesn't make sound on Fedora/Debian/Ubuntu without
changing settings
well, it depend of your sound card i think. mine work perfectly with oss, so i did not have to do anything to have sound. as long as i don't use other audio software.
- newbies are screwed, no sound output
- advanced users already setup their own audio
i did not set up anything.
So if we use padsp by default, we get this, which seems preferrable to me:
- pd makes sound on Fedora/Debian/Ubuntu without changing settings
- newbies get sound with lots of latency
- advanced users already setup their own audio
we will have lot's of mail in this list asking why pd can't make a sound with less than 500ms latency, and i'll answer : "pd extended configuration is crappy"
Even better, you could get sound from Pd and other apps at the same time. If there is a way to get to the second status without big latency, that would be the best.
yes, that would be the best. but i did not find any solution other than installing jack or maybe having pd to use pulse audio...
'padsp' is the only trick I know of, I haven't tried pasuspender tho.
pasuspender work great, as expected : it stop other applications from using the sound card so pd can have full control of it. and as soon as pd stop it gives back the sound to the other applications...
padsp is definitly not a good solution, pasuspender is the way to go i my opinion.
c
.hc On Nov 14, 2009, at 5:30 AM, cyrille henry wrote:
padsp pd add to much latency, it is clearly unusable for pd.
on karmic, i have to set pd audio buffer to 400ms...
c
Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
How would we make Pd use that ALSA compatibility layer? I know about the OSS emulation in Pulseaudio, I believe that would work by doing 'padsp pd'. .hc On Nov 13, 2009, at 11:28 PM, John Harrison wrote:
IIRC there is some sort of ALSA compatibility layer in Pulseaudio and I think it would be nice if Pd-extended could choose this ALSA "driver" or "soft card" or whatever it would be called. That would be a better solution than pasuspender because then Pd would be playing "nice" with all the other sound apps concurrently. Latency might be slightly worse but I think for beginners at least the initial experience would be more positive, as many of these users are coming from OS X and Windows platforms where sound applications sharing the same sound card concurrently is expected behavior.
I also vaguely remember the pulseaudio is only an issue with ALSA when there is no hardware mixer in the card. But my guess is that would be all cheap sound cards, since it has been the case with the built-in cards on all the Linux-based laptops I run into.
-John
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at mailto:hans@at.or.at> wrote:
Is pasuspender something that could be integrated into the Pd-extended menu launch item somehow? I'd really like to make sure that Pd will output audio by just starting it in Debian/Ubunut.
.hc
On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:09 PM, John Harrison wrote:
> could be pulseaudio is the problem? > > from the command line try > > pasuspender pd > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Aditya Mandayam > <adityams@gmail.com mailto:adityams@gmail.com> wrote: > > hi, > > i have pd installed on ubunty 9.10 - karmic koala. > > i have absolutely no sound when i fire up pd. i've tried > fooling > around with the Media>settings for OSS, ALSA, jack, default > MIDI. > > No sound. What gives? > > Thank you, > > Y > > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > -- John > http://alumni.media.mit.edu/~harrison/ > http://alumni.media.mit.edu/%7Eharrison/ > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Computer science is no more related to the computer than astronomy is related to the telescope. -Edsger Dykstra
"[T]he greatest purveyor of violence in the world today [is] my own government." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
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If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
cyrille henry wrote:
Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
The problem is getting things working for newbies. This has never worked for me, but I haven't tried Karmic yet:
i don't think karmic will make any diference.
- install default Ubuntu setup
- install puredata.deb or pd-extended.deb
- launch pd using the GNOME menu item
- then check sound
This works on Mac OS X and Windows. I am guessing that you don't run pulseaudio, so that is a non-default config.
i do run pulse audio. when pulse audio don't use the sound card, pd can use it. the only modification to the audio configuration i'm doing is removing ubuntu sound.
I still think a crappy working config is a better default than a non-working config.
what is the problem with pasuspender? you can't watch youtube video when using pd, but pd should always act normal.
so, pasuspender is crappy, padsp is very crappy...
I use jack and pulseaudio at the same time without using pasuspender. First I start up jack, then I load pulseaudio. I have pulseaudio load the jack-sink and jack-source as the default source and sink. That way firefox flash videos and all that use jack with a higher latency via the pulseaudio plugin, and my actual audio tools use jack directly with a lower latency. I have had no problems with this since I figured out how to do it.
The issue with making this a default for new users is that it requires jack to be running at login, and for pulseaudio to be setup properly to be using jack for all input / output.
Justin Glenn Smith a écrit :
cyrille henry wrote:
Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
The problem is getting things working for newbies. This has never worked for me, but I haven't tried Karmic yet:
i don't think karmic will make any diference.
- install default Ubuntu setup
- install puredata.deb or pd-extended.deb
- launch pd using the GNOME menu item
- then check sound
This works on Mac OS X and Windows. I am guessing that you don't run pulseaudio, so that is a non-default config.
i do run pulse audio. when pulse audio don't use the sound card, pd can use it. the only modification to the audio configuration i'm doing is removing ubuntu sound.
I still think a crappy working config is a better default than a non-working config.
what is the problem with pasuspender? you can't watch youtube video when using pd, but pd should always act normal.
so, pasuspender is crappy, padsp is very crappy...
I use jack and pulseaudio at the same time without using pasuspender. First I start up jack, then I load pulseaudio. I have pulseaudio load the jack-sink and jack-source as the default source and sink. That way firefox flash videos and all that use jack with a higher latency via the pulseaudio plugin, and my actual audio tools use jack directly with a lower latency. I have had no problems with this since I figured out how to do it.
The issue with making this a default for new users is that it requires jack to be running at login, and for pulseaudio to be setup properly to be using jack for all input / output.
yes, this is great, but i thnk it's not an option for the default pd-extended configuration.
c
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