Hi,
I downloaded the pre-built package from www.pure-data.org and ran the installer. I let it install everything. I had Tcl/tk 8.4.4 already installed, but let the installer overwrite that with 8.4.1 since the site said that there pd "seems" to have trouble with 8.4.2 and 8.4.4. I am not sure what that is about. I'd wouldn't mind knowing if it does have trouble with it or not, "seems" is not a word one likes associated with software. It is like i "seem" to be bleeding from my head. Either you are or you ain't.... Anyhoo... Things are a mess. pd launches the wish sell and gives you the other little box for IO or whatever, but refuses to open any patches and when i try it just keeps opening shells but not patch to run or edit.... I tried opening through the menu but all my .pd files are greyed out.
Someone please, i am begging, helping get this thing running, and also, is it at all possible to use GEM on Mac OS X and how do you do that?
Any help would be appreciated
-kevin--
I sort of got pd to work (you know Tcl/Tk, is often doesn't look like it is working even when it is *^-^* ) by biting the bullet and trying OSXPM, a tool which frightens me, to uninstall, by hand anything that looked or smelled like Tcl/tk or pd and installing from scratch.
I notice another disturbing thing. I am not sure if it is just tk acting like tk or if it is something specific to my install, but i notice that i can't open a patch, highlight something, cut it, and paste it into a new patch. Seems like a mind-numbingly basic operation. Is is that Tcl/Tk is crummy on OS X? Just crummy in general? or is pd still like in a deep beta release? I wasted way too much time messing with SuperCollider, a program whose massive power is matched in magnitude only by the ugliness of its syntax, the poverty of it's documentation, and the completeness of its backwards incompatibility. I want something that i can get some work done on. Life's short. I thought that i would give pd a try. Are folks successful (making pieces, performing) in working with pd on Mac OS X?
back to the manual..
cheers,
kevin
On Wednesday, November 26, 2003, at 01:19 AM, kevin parks wrote:
Hi,
I downloaded the pre-built package from www.pure-data.org and ran the installer. I let it install everything. I had Tcl/tk 8.4.4 already installed, but let the installer overwrite that with 8.4.1 since the site said that there pd "seems" to have trouble with 8.4.2 and 8.4.4. I am not sure what that is about. I'd wouldn't mind knowing if it does have trouble with it or not, "seems" is not a word one likes associated with software. It is like i "seem" to be bleeding from my head. Either you are or you ain't.... Anyhoo... Things are a mess. pd launches the wish sell and gives you the other little box for IO or whatever, but refuses to open any patches and when i try it just keeps opening shells but not patch to run or edit.... I tried opening through the menu but all my .pd files are greyed out.
Someone please, i am begging, helping get this thing running, and also, is it at all possible to use GEM on Mac OS X and how do you do that?
Any help would be appreciated
-kevin--
kevin parks said this at Wed, 26 Nov 2003 02:07:19 -0500:
I notice another disturbing thing. I am not sure if it is just tk acting like tk or if it is something specific to my install, but i notice that i can't open a patch, highlight something, cut it, and paste it into a new patch. Seems like a mind-numbingly basic operation. Is is that Tcl/Tk is crummy on OS X? Just crummy in general? or is pd still like in a deep beta release? I wasted way too much time messing
Cutting and pasting across patches should work. What you describe is not normal; it should work. In fact, that's my main way of learning/getting things done... copying from tutorials and modifying things from there.
On Wednesday, November 26, 2003, at 01:19 AM, kevin parks wrote:
installed, but let the installer overwrite that with 8.4.1 since the site said that there pd "seems" to have trouble with 8.4.2 and 8.4.4. I am not sure what that is about. I'd wouldn't mind knowing if it does have trouble with it or not, "seems" is not a word one likes associated with software. It is like i "seem" to be bleeding from my
Later versions of Tcl/TkAqua not entirely functional, but no one has really tracked down the root cause. So empirically speaking, stick to 8.4.1, as distributed.
whatever, but refuses to open any patches and when i try it just keeps opening shells but not patch to run or edit.... I tried opening through the menu but all my .pd files are greyed out.
I'm not sure how you're "open"ing these patches, but to head off some potential complaints, double clicking patches in the finder is still on the primitive side in terms of its developing support, so it's better to open things from the Open dialog box. What you describe here is again not normal behaviour.
Someone please, i am begging, helping get this thing running, and also, is it at all possible to use GEM on Mac OS X and how do you do that?
Chris Clepper has a site with bleeding-edge versions of GEM: http://taproot.dyndns.org/~cgc/
Cheers, adam ps. Sorry you're frustrated, but I humbly suggest you chill out maybe two notches. This is a pretty mellow group on the list (usually).
hi. Adam Lindsay & co.....
Thanks for taking the time to respond....
Cutting and pasting across patches should work. What you describe is not normal; it should work. In fact, that's my main way of learning/getting things done... copying from tutorials and modifying things from there.
I am not sure why i was getting all that strange behavior. It must be something with Tcl/tk already having been installed as 8.4.4. I went through with the OSXPM again and deleted everything and reinstalled pd again from stretch and now things mostly seem dandy. I was using that Batteries Included Tcl/tk installer for my python stuff. Now that i am dumbed down totally to 8.4.1 things seem okay. Thank god for that OSXPM or i would never had been able to track down all that tcl stuff to delete.
Later versions of Tcl/TkAqua not entirely functional, but no one has really tracked down the root cause. So empirically speaking, stick to 8.4.1, as distributed.
gotcha.
I'm not sure how you're "open"ing these patches, but to head off some potential complaints, double clicking patches in the finder is still on the primitive side in terms of its developing support, so it's better to open things from the Open dialog box.
double clicking still doesn't work but the Open dialog box from WISH is okay now.
Chris Clepper has a site with bleeding-edge versions of GEM: http://taproot.dyndns.org/~cgc/
I downloaded GEMOSXCVS.gtar and ended up with something called Gem.pd_darwin I am guessing that goes in in a folder someplace? Hmm...
ps. Sorry you're frustrated, but I humbly suggest you chill out maybe two notches. This is a pretty mellow group on the list (usually).
Actually, i am not frustrated, i was trying to be funny....
cheers,
kevin
From: Anton Marini <anton@wildchildpost.com>
Subject: Re: [PD] getting started on OS X 10.2.8
Date: November 26, 2003 10:54:42 AM EST
To: kevin parks <kp8@mac.com>
Cc: pd-list@iem.at
Hi Kevin
Gem.pd_darwin goes in /usr/local/lib/pd/extra
make sure to load gem when you run pd, with the lib flag
ie:
/usr/local/lib/pd -lib gem
or put '-lib gem' in your .pdrc file
happy patching.
-dok On Nov 26, 2003, at 7:04 AM, kevin parks wrote:
hi. Adam Lindsay & co.....
Thanks for taking the time to respond....
Cutting and pasting across patches should work. What you describe is not normal; it should work. In fact, that's my main way of learning/getting things done... copying from tutorials and modifying things from there.
I am not sure why i was getting all that strange behavior. It must be something with Tcl/tk already having been installed as 8.4.4. I went through with the OSXPM again and deleted everything and reinstalled pd again from stretch and now things mostly seem dandy. I was using that Batteries Included Tcl/tk installer for my python stuff. Now that i am dumbed down totally to 8.4.1 things seem okay. Thank god for that OSXPM or i would never had been able to track down all that tcl stuff to delete.
Later versions of Tcl/TkAqua not entirely functional, but no one has really tracked down the root cause. So empirically speaking, stick to 8.4.1, as distributed.
gotcha.
I'm not sure how you're "open"ing these patches, but to head off some potential complaints, double clicking patches in the finder is still on the primitive side in terms of its developing support, so it's better to open things from the Open dialog box.
double clicking still doesn't work but the Open dialog box from WISH is okay now.
Chris Clepper has a site with bleeding-edge versions of GEM: http://taproot.dyndns.org/~cgc/
I downloaded GEMOSXCVS.gtar and ended up with something called Gem.pd_darwin I am guessing that goes in in a folder someplace? Hmm...
ps. Sorry you're frustrated, but I humbly suggest you chill out maybe two notches. This is a pretty mellow group on the list (usually).
Actually, i am not frustrated, i was trying to be funny....
cheers,
kevin
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