17 Apr
2004
17 Apr
'04
3:48 p.m.
Hi all,
I'm trying to build a patch which allows the order of a signalprocessing chain to be rearanged... for example, to put the delay either before or after the reverb. Thre problem is that when I conect the outlets and inets of the [pd delay] and th e[pd reverb] that I have created subpatches together, I get the error "DSP loop detected (some tilde objects not scheduled)".
I tried putting [*~ 0] objects in the way, or even running the signals through subpatches which can be switched on and off with [block~], but still no dice.
I've been very careful to not actually *create* any feedback loops in the patch, as you will see if you look at the example I have attached. Is there any other way of doing this? Or is there something wrong with my logic?
thx! d.
25 Apr
25 Apr
11:02 p.m.
New subject: Error: DSP loop detected (solved + proposed for PD docs)
Well, since no one took the bait, I had to figure this one out by myself. For the sake of future generations, I post the answer to the riddle here.
derek@x-i.net wrote:
I'm trying to build a patch which allows the order of a signalprocessing chain to be rearanged... for example, to put the delay either before or after the reverb. The problem is that when I conect the outlets and inlets of the [pd delay] and the [pd reverb] subpatches that I have created together, I get the error "DSP loop detected (some tilde objects not scheduled)".
I tried putting [*~ 0] objects in the way, or even running the signals through subpatches which can be switched on and off with [block~], but still no dice.
I was warm here, but not hot. The key was to use [send~] and [receive~] pairs, and somehow this keeps PD from discovering any DSP loops.
Patch is attached, in case anybody else gets stuck with this. Might I suggest adding this to the PD documentation?
d.
--
derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl
---Oblique Strategy # 180:
"What to increase? What to reduce? What to maintain?"
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#X text 81 187 This subpatch is empty. Put any DSP effect you like
in here.;
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#X text 81 187 This subpatch is empty. Put any DSP effect you like
in here.;
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#X text 406 605 derek@umatic.nl;
#X text 406 587 Riddle cracked for PD 0.37.1-devel by Derek Holzer
;
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#X text 403 212 The problem is avoided here by "seperating" these subpatches
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#X text 33 22 Signal Chain: using the [send~] and [receive~] objects
to create a variable audio signal chain.;
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#X text 60 194 Use [line~] for click-free switching!;
#X msg 644 412 ; pd dsp 1 ;;
#X msg 724 412 ; pd dsp 0 ;;
#X text 459 269 <---click here to switch between "delay"-->"reverb"
and "reverb"-->"delay". The toggles in the patch will show you the
signal path.;
#X text 402 79 The purpose of this patch is to explain how to set up
a variable signal chain in PD. In this case , one has the choice to
put a "reverb" before or after a "delay". The subpatches "reverb" and
"delay" are both empty , so imagine them as being any two different
effects in your signal chain. Simply connecting the different outlets
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PD to give the message "DSP loop detected" and to shutdown the audio
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"delay-wrong" and "reverb-wrong" subpatches and make the connection
inside , then turn on signal processing.;
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