On Aug 31, 2009, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request@iem.at wrote:
Hi *,
This is pretty funny. Some people from the BBC came along to a live- coding event in London: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8221235.stm I was using Pd, which you can see in some of the shots. It was my
first time live-coding and it sounded awful like 8-bit alley cats on LSD
singing Bob Dylan.
Oh man :
"Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools," he
says, "but with live coding, boring techno is much harder."
Nice.
Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
On Aug 31, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Daniel Wilcox wrote:
On Aug 31, 2009, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request@iem.at wrote:
Hi *,
This is pretty funny. Some people from the BBC came along to a live- coding event in London: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8221235.stm I was using Pd, which you can see in some of the shots. It was my
first time live-coding and it sounded awful like 8-bit alley cats on LSD
singing Bob Dylan.Oh man :
"Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools," he
says, "but with live coding, boring techno is much harder."Nice.
Indeed. I think I might have to add that to my sig quotes. Chris,
mind if I do?
.hc
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On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 10:43:36AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Aug 31, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Daniel Wilcox wrote:
On Aug 31, 2009, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request@iem.at wrote:
Hi *,
This is pretty funny. Some people from the BBC came along to a live- coding event in London: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8221235.stm I was using Pd, which you can see in some of the shots. It was my
first time live-coding and it sounded awful like 8-bit alley cats on LSD
singing Bob Dylan.Oh man :
"Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools," he
says, "but with live coding, boring techno is much harder."Nice.
Indeed. I think I might have to add that to my sig quotes. Chris, mind if I do?
Of course not, I'm flattered!
Chris.
Daniel Wilcox wrote:
On Aug 31, 2009, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request@iem.at wrote:
Hi *,
This is pretty funny. Some people from the BBC came along to a live- coding event in London: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8221235.stm I was using Pd, which you can see in some of the shots. It was my
first time live-coding and it sounded awful like 8-bit alley cats on LSD singing Bob Dylan.Oh man :
"Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools," he says, "but with live coding, boring techno is much harder."
Nice.
that's superb, it could be the makings of a manifesto! obfuscated techno competition anyone?
cheers chris ;)
dmotd
On Tue, 1 Sep 2009, dmotd wrote:
Oh man : "Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools," he says, "but with live coding, boring techno is much harder."
that's superb, it could be the makings of a manifesto! obfuscated techno competition anyone?
oh man, a giant patch in the shape of a smiley, in which any attempt to figure out anything ends up on staring at a strange combination of [rzero~] [rpole~] and [vd~], yet the whole patch happens to be sequencing and synthesising technotris?
technotris: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L51E9ZQpU7Q smiley: http://www.tcamb1.com/Smiley.jpg
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On Mon, 31 Aug 2009, Daniel Wilcox wrote:
"Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools," he says, "but with live coding, boring techno is much harder."
Sounds like the bottom-up counterpart to some slogan I coined a long time ago:
Readymade Solutions Require Readymade Problems;
For Everything Else There Is PureData.
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Hallo, Mathieu Bouchard hat gesagt: // Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009, Daniel Wilcox wrote:
"Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools," he says, "but with live coding, boring techno is much harder."
Sounds like the bottom-up counterpart to some slogan I coined a long time ago:
Readymade Solutions Require Readymade Problems; For Everything Else There Is PureData.
"Max and Pd allow almost anyone to synthesize uninteresting timbres almost instantly."
Max Mathews in http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/techniques/latest/book-html/node5.html
Ciao
Frank
It's been clear for quite some time that we need more natural predators in the boring techno ecosystem.
D.
Daniel Wilcox wrote:
"Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools," he says, "but with live coding, boring techno is much harder."
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009, Derek Holzer wrote:
It's been clear for quite some time that we need more natural predators in the boring techno ecosystem.
Maybe, but last time it happened, it only resulted in the proliferation of a more resistant strain of boring techno, so, watch out!
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On Aug 31, 2009, at 5:18 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009, Derek Holzer wrote:
It's been clear for quite some time that we need more natural
predators in the boring techno ecosystem.Maybe, but last time it happened, it only resulted in the
proliferation of a more resistant strain of boring techno, so, watch
out!
Well, if its fun to watch, then it isn't boring, no? :-D
.hc
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one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better
language; and every chapter must be so translated.... -John Donne
don't know if any of you have read Ostertag's " Why Computer Music Sucks" but here is the link
http://bobostertag.com/writings-articles-computer-music-sucks.htm
(this link does not necessarily represent the views or opinions of the sender)
best,
Greg
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Mathieu Bouchardmatju@artengine.ca wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009, Derek Holzer wrote:
It's been clear for quite some time that we need more natural predators in the boring techno ecosystem.
Maybe, but last time it happened, it only resulted in the proliferation of a more resistant strain of boring techno, so, watch out!
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b.o. knows about it, at least about sampling
to me, a type of music dies when it's getting an endless self.referencing repetition of itself sounding like a caricature..
and computer music came to that point.
Greg Pond wrote:
don't know if any of you have read Ostertag's " Why Computer Music Sucks" but here is the link
http://bobostertag.com/writings-articles-computer-music-sucks.htm
(this link does not necessarily represent the views or opinions of the sender)
best,
Greg
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Mathieu Bouchardmatju@artengine.ca wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009, Derek Holzer wrote:
It's been clear for quite some time that we need more natural predators in the boring techno ecosystem.
Maybe, but last time it happened, it only resulted in the proliferation of a more resistant strain of boring techno, so, watch out!
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in the style of a song from 'abogado babies' :
computers? i like to crash them, yeh yeh...
just realize i care more about lyrics than music now, after 10 years of Mego-like stuff... i still have my Crass original prints.
ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
b.o. knows about it, at least about sampling
to me, a type of music dies when it's getting an endless self.referencing repetition of itself sounding like a caricature..
and computer music came to that point.
Greg Pond wrote:
don't know if any of you have read Ostertag's " Why Computer Music Sucks" but here is the link
http://bobostertag.com/writings-articles-computer-music-sucks.htm
(this link does not necessarily represent the views or opinions of the sender)
best,
Greg
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Mathieu Bouchardmatju@artengine.ca wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009, Derek Holzer wrote:
It's been clear for quite some time that we need more natural predators in the boring techno ecosystem.
Maybe, but last time it happened, it only resulted in the proliferation of a more resistant strain of boring techno, so, watch out!
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--- On Thu, 9/3/09, Greg Pond gregpond@gmail.com wrote:
From: Greg Pond gregpond@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PD] Pd at a livecoding event on the BBC To: "Mathieu Bouchard" matju@artengine.ca Cc: "PD List" pd-list@iem.at Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 5:59 AM don't know if any of you have read Ostertag's " Why Computer Music Sucks" but here is the link
http://bobostertag.com/writings-articles-computer-music-sucks.htm
(this link does not necessarily represent the views or opinions of the sender)
best,
Greg
Thanks for the link. I remember reading this a few years ago, being puzzled why Bob decided to take part as a judge and pick winners in a process that so clearly contributes to the boringness of computer music that he decries.
-Jonathan
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Mathieu Bouchardmatju@artengine.ca wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009, Derek Holzer wrote:
It's been clear for quite some time that we need
more natural predators in
the boring techno ecosystem.
Maybe, but last time it happened, it only resulted in
the proliferation of a
more resistant strain of boring techno, so, watch
out!
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So let's see, it was 1996, and Bob's making noises like Jungle, Drum&Bass or some other megatrend crowdpleaser just arrived to save him from the avant-hegemony of the elbow patch professor crowd's software diddlings. About the same time, Paul Miller aka DJ Spooky was lamenting how jazz has been run off the rails by the (subtextually white) "downtown squeaky music scene" in New York (I might argue that something called the 1980's killed it already...who actually listens to the last couple drum machine- and sampler-plagued Miles Davis records? Bob O?). The "high culture" vs "low culture" thing was very big that decade if I remember correctly...
But I will have to go with Yves on this one. Any time something fossilizes into a genre it's all downhill from there. Keep your references clear, quantize to grid, don't step out of line. Bob's article only seems to go after one of them, but the academic computer music scene and the club music scene(s) both share the distinction of being some of the most conservative places I've ever visited.
Trying to think of a few releases that do it for me, that don't go for the quantized clubstep grid or the usual academic Fast Fourier Tropes, use computers and related technologies in a refreshing way and sound really visceral and alive, off the top of my head I'd say:
Kevin Drumm - Sheer Hellish Miasma reissue [2007 Editions Mego] John Wiese - Bubble Pulse [2003 Kissy Records] Anthony Pateras & Robin Fox - End of Daze [2009 Editions Mego] O.S.T. - Waetka [2008 Ideal] Hecker - Acid in the Style of David Tudor [2009 Editions Mego]
(No I'm not anywhere near being banked by Mego, these just happened all to be sitting near the top of the pile due to repeated listening...although finding much "computer music" at all around my house is a bit of a challenge!)
D.
Greg Pond wrote:
don't know if any of you have read Ostertag's " Why Computer Music Sucks" but here is the link
http://bobostertag.com/writings-articles-computer-music-sucks.htm
(this link does not necessarily represent the views or opinions of the sender)
http://bobostertag.com/writings-articles-computer-music-sucks.htm
(this link does not necessarily represent the views or opinions of the sender)
Could someone please write an article "All-of-these-[something]-sucks-articles-really-suck"? I find them so boring, superficial and unproductive.
Kind regards, Lorenzo
On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 03:23:17PM +0200, Lorenzo wrote:
http://bobostertag.com/writings-articles-computer-music-sucks.htm
(this link does not necessarily represent the views or opinions of
the sender)Could someone please write an article
"All-of-these-[something]-sucks-articles-really-suck"? I find them so
boring, superficial and unproductive.
http://dashes.com/anil/2009/06/the-end-of-fail.html
"Fail cheap. Fail fast. Fail often. Always make new mistakes." -- Esther Dyson
Failing daily, :)
Chris.
what is that obsession of winning and loosing, failing and suceeding ? we were only speaking of the impact of computer music in the western culture, i don't see the point or do you call bob ostertag a looser?
anyway, that video about 'thinking positive' is really like wasp propaganda, why not a video of steve ballmer?
Chris McCormick wrote:
On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 03:23:17PM +0200, Lorenzo wrote:
http://bobostertag.com/writings-articles-computer-music-sucks.htm
(this link does not necessarily represent the views or opinions of
the sender)Could someone please write an article
"All-of-these-[something]-sucks-articles-really-suck"? I find them so
boring, superficial and unproductive.http://dashes.com/anil/2009/06/the-end-of-fail.html
"Fail cheap. Fail fast. Fail often. Always make new mistakes." -- Esther Dyson
Failing daily, :)
Chris.
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loser?
Or looser, like less up-tight?
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:44:15 +0200 "ydegoyon@gmail.com" ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
what is that obsession of winning and loosing, failing and suceeding ? we were only speaking of the impact of computer music in the western culture, i don't see the point or do you call bob ostertag a looser?
anyway, that video about 'thinking positive' is really like wasp propaganda, why not a video of steve ballmer?
Chris McCormick wrote:
On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 03:23:17PM +0200, Lorenzo wrote:
http://bobostertag.com/writings-articles-computer-music-sucks.htm
(this link does not necessarily represent the views or opinions of
the sender)Could someone please write an article
"All-of-these-[something]-sucks-articles-really-suck"? I find them so
boring, superficial and unproductive.http://dashes.com/anil/2009/06/the-end-of-fail.html
"Fail cheap. Fail fast. Fail often. Always make new mistakes." -- Esther Dyson
Failing daily, :)
Chris.
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now that england presents its excuses for persecuting the inventor of 'intelligent machines' named computers now, e.g. Alan Turing comitted suicide as he was persecuted for being gay.
i don't know if he was a looser or if computers are queer ?
sorry for posting jokes,
Andy Farnell wrote:
loser?
Or looser, like less up-tight?
Yves: good point!
I haven't seen the video because I can't play flash videos. Sorry if I subjected you to something awful.
Developersdevelopersdevelopers,
Chris.
On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 04:44:15PM +0200, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
what is that obsession of winning and loosing, failing and suceeding ? we were only speaking of the impact of computer music in the western culture, i don't see the point or do you call bob ostertag a looser?
anyway, that video about 'thinking positive' is really like wasp propaganda, why not a video of steve ballmer?
Chris McCormick wrote:
On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 03:23:17PM +0200, Lorenzo wrote:
http://bobostertag.com/writings-articles-computer-music-sucks.htm
(this link does not necessarily represent the views or opinions of the sender)
Could someone please write an article
"All-of-these-[something]-sucks-articles-really-suck"? I find them so boring, superficial and unproductive.http://dashes.com/anil/2009/06/the-end-of-fail.html
"Fail cheap. Fail fast. Fail often. Always make new mistakes." -- Esther Dyson
Failing daily, :)
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I am not qualified to comment on this discussion, but I still will. Years ago I read the Ostertag article (saw him in Berkeley in '95 at Bean Benders and he was amazing), and this line stuck out: "Of all the ways that computers have been applied to music, sampling has had the most radical impact."
That statement has had significant impact on my thinking on approaching music and computers. I'm not defending the article.
Just sayin'....
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 6:23 AM, Lorenzo lsutton@libero.it wrote:
http://bobostertag.com/writings-articles-computer-music-sucks.htm
(this link does not necessarily represent the views or opinions of the sender)
Could someone please write an article "All-of-these-[something]-sucks-articles-really-suck"? I find them so boring, superficial and unproductive.
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On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 5:17 AM, Derek Holzer derek@umatic.nl wrote:
(No I'm not anywhere near being banked by Mego, these just happened all to be sitting near the top of the pile due to repeated listening...although finding much "computer music" at all around my house is a bit of a challenge!)
I was fairly involved with Mego about a decade ago, and I don't think much of the work has really held up. As much as I like Peter, Florian and the others the stuff we thought was so groundbreaking back then ended up not making much of an impact. The third track on Peter's "Get Out" remains a standout as does Fennesz's reworking of "Paint It Black". What is interesting to me is that both of those started from quite musical sources and retained just enough of those musical qualities to not only catch the ear, but remain in the memory after a single listen. This is a something I rarely find in computer music.
On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Derek Holzer wrote:
(I might argue that something called the 1980's killed it already...who actually listens to the last couple drum machine- and sampler-plagued Miles Davis records? Bob O?). The "high culture" vs "low culture" thing was very big that decade if I remember correctly...
How would you explain this greater high-vs-low rift ?
My impression was that the 70's prog-rock genre so much tried to erase the high-vs-low boundary, that it caused record companies to get sick of it, as it grew unmanageable... to say it in just two lines.
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ola,
Trying to think of a few releases that do it for me, that don't go for the quantized clubstep grid or the usual academic Fast Fourier Tropes, use computers and related technologies in a refreshing way and sound really visceral and alive, off the top of my head I'd say:
Kevin Drumm - Sheer Hellish Miasma reissue [2007 Editions Mego] John Wiese - Bubble Pulse [2003 Kissy Records] Anthony Pateras & Robin Fox - End of Daze [2009 Editions Mego] O.S.T. - Waetka [2008 Ideal] Hecker - Acid in the Style of David Tudor [2009 Editions Mego]
i think Mego was over since 2004 or something like that... as i also think the computer years are a bit behind, glitch & click & drones & buzz & bass, what's new? i would just keep the good memory of a slightly different list :
pan sonic ( any ) masami akita a.k.a. merzbow ( although i would prefer his analog work ) chicks on speed ( that don't play guitars )
as far as noise is concerned, my favs all use analog equipment :
wolf eyes, incapacitants, macronympha, to live and shave in L.A., kk null, ...
so i can't comment about noise with computers...
Analog - kinda... I saw Merzbow at Highbury Islington back in 1992/3. His stage act was a chain of fx pedals and guitar, and electric drill/grinder wheel.
On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 14:35:00 +0200 "ydegoyon@gmail.com" ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
ola,
Trying to think of a few releases that do it for me, that don't go for the quantized clubstep grid or the usual academic Fast Fourier Tropes, use computers and related technologies in a refreshing way and sound really visceral and alive, off the top of my head I'd say:
Kevin Drumm - Sheer Hellish Miasma reissue [2007 Editions Mego] John Wiese - Bubble Pulse [2003 Kissy Records] Anthony Pateras & Robin Fox - End of Daze [2009 Editions Mego] O.S.T. - Waetka [2008 Ideal] Hecker - Acid in the Style of David Tudor [2009 Editions Mego]
i think Mego was over since 2004 or something like that... as i also think the computer years are a bit behind, glitch & click & drones & buzz & bass, what's new? i would just keep the good memory of a slightly different list :
pan sonic ( any ) masami akita a.k.a. merzbow ( although i would prefer his analog work ) chicks on speed ( that don't play guitars )
as far as noise is concerned, my favs all use analog equipment :
wolf eyes, incapacitants, macronympha, to live and shave in L.A., kk null, ...
so i can't comment about noise with computers...
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as far as noise is concerned, my favs all use analog equipment :
wolf eyes, incapacitants, macronympha, to live and shave in L.A., kk null, ...
'The King of Noise' Boyd Rice made some of the best noise records over 25 years ago. Since then I haven't heard many noise albums or shows that are as interesting.
On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 02:35:00PM +0200, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
as far as noise is concerned, my favs all use analog equipment :
wolf eyes, incapacitants, macronympha, to live and shave in L.A., kk
null, ...
Pretty sure I saw two kaoss pads on stage when kk null was playing.
Chris.
Chris McCormick wrote:
On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 02:35:00PM +0200, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
as far as noise is concerned, my favs all use analog equipment :
wolf eyes, incapacitants, macronympha, to live and shave in L.A., kk
null, ...Pretty sure I saw two kaoss pads on stage when kk null was playing.
Chris.
classification analog/digital is very arbitrary, as all use both, like pan sonic uses a lot of electronics, i don't know why they will still be classified in computer music, maybe the way they use it makes it sound like computer music-?
On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 03:40:20PM +0200, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
Chris McCormick wrote:
On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 02:35:00PM +0200, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
as far as noise is concerned, my favs all use analog equipment :
wolf eyes, incapacitants, macronympha, to live and shave in L.A., kk
null, ...Pretty sure I saw two kaoss pads on stage when kk null was playing.
classification analog/digital is very arbitrary, as all use both, like pan sonic uses a lot of electronics, i don't know why they will still be classified in computer music, maybe the way they use it makes it sound like computer music-?
Yeah, totally agree.
Chris.
On Fri, 4 Sep 2009, Chris McCormick wrote:
On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 03:40:20PM +0200, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
classification analog/digital is very arbitrary, as all use both, like pan sonic uses a lot of electronics, i don't know why they will still be classified in computer music, maybe the way they use it makes it sound like computer music-?
Yeah, totally agree.
John Denver's «Country Roads» is computer music when it's been coded into 6809 machine code to be played on a Tandy 6-bit DAC. In the summer of 1983, my father left our rural isles by plane several times to get some training in the city of Québec, and each time he came back he had some 600-baud tapes with more programmes. Back then, we used to load this programme over and over to hear the marvellous sound coming out of it...
Frankly, I don't care how much academicians use confusing terms for their own music at the expense of the rest of the population. I mean, «computer» and «music» are terms for everybody and if you just put those two words together it should make a term for everybody doing music with a computer, or some other sensible subset of it that doesn't have to do with whether the composers got tenure.
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Chris McCormick wrote:
On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 03:40:20PM +0200, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
Chris McCormick wrote:
On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 02:35:00PM +0200, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
as far as noise is concerned, my favs all use analog equipment :
wolf eyes, incapacitants, macronympha, to live and shave in L.A., kk
null, ...Pretty sure I saw two kaoss pads on stage when kk null was playing.
classification analog/digital is very arbitrary, as all use both, like pan sonic uses a lot of electronics, i don't know why they will still be classified in computer music, maybe the way they use it makes it sound like computer music-?
Yeah, totally agree.
Chris.
i forgot to mention one band that matters :
esplendor geometrico from madrid
so yeh all computer music is not to send to the trash but most of it is boring and more than that there is absolutely nothing new
btw, i don't like samba, gipsies fanfares, drum & bass, autechre and all popular culture, no way, sounds boring before it starts
This is the band I most enjoy recently:
http://www.slavicsoulparty.com/
I have yet to see any computer or electronic music show that can hold
a candle to the feeling of being packed into a room of people dancing
face-to-face with 9 musicians pouring their guts into completely
physical instruments. Of course, the website and digital recording
does a poor job of conveying that.
There is something about physical exertion that lends an essential
character to the music. Computer and electronic music is too easy, it
takes almost no physical effort. And it sounds like it most of the
time. To me there is potential in live coding, you since it takes a
lot of mental exertion at least. But people are just learning, so the
music mostly isn't good. Most laptop music barely takes mental
exertion during the performance.
.hc
On Sep 3, 2009, at 5:17 AM, Derek Holzer wrote:
So let's see, it was 1996, and Bob's making noises like Jungle,
Drum&Bass or some other megatrend crowdpleaser just arrived to save
him from the avant-hegemony of the elbow patch professor crowd's
software diddlings. About the same time, Paul Miller aka DJ Spooky
was lamenting how jazz has been run off the rails by the
(subtextually white) "downtown squeaky music scene" in New York (I
might argue that something called the 1980's killed it already...who
actually listens to the last couple drum machine- and sampler- plagued Miles Davis records? Bob O?). The "high culture" vs "low
culture" thing was very big that decade if I remember correctly...But I will have to go with Yves on this one. Any time something
fossilizes into a genre it's all downhill from there. Keep your
references clear, quantize to grid, don't step out of line. Bob's
article only seems to go after one of them, but the academic
computer music scene and the club music scene(s) both share the
distinction of being some of the most conservative places I've ever
visited.Trying to think of a few releases that do it for me, that don't go
for the quantized clubstep grid or the usual academic Fast Fourier
Tropes, use computers and related technologies in a refreshing way
and sound really visceral and alive, off the top of my head I'd say:Kevin Drumm - Sheer Hellish Miasma reissue [2007 Editions Mego] John Wiese - Bubble Pulse [2003 Kissy Records] Anthony Pateras & Robin Fox - End of Daze [2009 Editions Mego] O.S.T. - Waetka [2008 Ideal] Hecker - Acid in the Style of David Tudor [2009 Editions Mego]
(No I'm not anywhere near being banked by Mego, these just happened
all to be sitting near the top of the pile due to repeated
listening...although finding much "computer music" at all around my
house is a bit of a challenge!)D.
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I have yet to see any computer or electronic music show that can hold a candle to the feeling of being packed into a room of people dancing face-to-face with 9 musicians pouring their guts into completely physical instruments.
same for satanique samba trio: http://www.myspace.com/sataniquesambatrio
but shame on those garbage swf flash players - the computer part.
better alive, always.
abraço glerm
2009/9/4 glerm soares organismo@gmail.com
I have yet to see any computer or electronic music show that can hold a candle to the feeling of being packed into a room of people dancing face-to-face with 9 musicians pouring their guts into completely physical instruments.
we don't even need sound to prove it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/purecanesugar/3824634806/sizes/l/
cheers ;) glerm
On Sep 4, 2009, at 12:09 PM, glerm soares wrote:
2009/9/4 glerm soares organismo@gmail.com
I have yet to see any computer or electronic music show that can
hold a candle to the feeling of being packed into a room of people
dancing face-to-face with 9 musicians pouring their guts into
completely physical instruments.we don't even need sound to prove it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/purecanesugar/3824634806/sizes/l/
cheers ;) glerm
That was fun, that was the samba night in the Pelorinho in Salvador
after the ISCL event. So for me the question is, how do we get music
using computers to be more like that?
.hc
"Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools," he
says, "but with live coding, boring techno is much harder." - Chris
McCormick
When there's finally a computer that sounds its best after I've pounded the living hell out of it and sweat all over it for at least 4 hours, then I might get more interested in "live computer music" again. Hunting and pecking at the keyboard while you IRC with your coding buddies is a poor substitute ;-)
D.
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
That was fun, that was the samba night in the Pelorinho in Salvador after the ISCL event. So for me the question is, how do we get music using computers to be more like that?
On Fri, 2009-09-04 at 12:44 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Sep 4, 2009, at 12:09 PM, glerm soares wrote:
2009/9/4 glerm soares organismo@gmail.com
I have yet to see any computer or electronic music show that can hold a candle to the feeling of being packed into a room of people dancing face-to-face with 9 musicians pouring their guts into completely physical instruments.we don't even need sound to prove it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/purecanesugar/3824634806/sizes/l/
cheers ;) glerm
That was fun, that was the samba night in the Pelorinho in Salvador after the ISCL event. So for me the question is, how do we get music using computers to be more like that?
use netpd
(what seems like a cheap ad is rather a prompt to myself to dive into it again. without saying something about the quality of the resulting music, it at least enabled some people quite some times to have the feeling of being part of an expressive exchange with eachother by using music creating tools. i find your question quite intriguing and i think, it's definitely worth trying to 'get music using computers to be more like that'.)
roman
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On Sep 5, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
On Fri, 2009-09-04 at 12:44 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Sep 4, 2009, at 12:09 PM, glerm soares wrote:
2009/9/4 glerm soares organismo@gmail.com
I have yet to see any computer or electronic music show that can hold a candle to the feeling of being packed into a room of people dancing face-to-face with 9 musicians pouring their guts into completely physical instruments.we don't even need sound to prove it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/purecanesugar/3824634806/sizes/l/
cheers ;) glerm
That was fun, that was the samba night in the Pelorinho in Salvador
after the ISCL event. So for me the question is, how do we get
music using computers to be more like that?use netpd
(what seems like a cheap ad is rather a prompt to myself to dive
into it again. without saying something about the quality of the resulting music, it at least enabled some people quite some times to have the feeling of being part of an expressive exchange with eachother by
using music creating tools. i find your question quite intriguing and i
think, it's definitely worth trying to 'get music using computers to be more like that'.)roman
Yeah, netpd is definitely a good step in that direction. Any luck
with the crashing? I'd love to do more 20 person jams!
.hc
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