Hi, I finally edited the video part for a composition that I made last september-october with pd and the yamaha disklavier. Thanks to Derek Holzer that helped me during a pd workshop in Helsinki to realize a first version of the piece.
Video is here (youtube embedded in the page): www.myspace.com/liberomureddu
Info about the composition here: http://webusers.siba.fi/~limuredd/deploration.html
Enjoy!
I have also a question: originally the piece had also an animation made with gem. Do you know how to export as a video file a gem animation?
Best regards,
Libero
On 7/15/07, Libero Mureddu libero.mureddu@gmail.com wrote:
I have also a question: originally the piece had also an animation made with gem. Do you know how to export as a video file a gem animation?
pix_snap followed by pix_record or use pix_write and a third party tool like Quicktime Pro to make the image seuqence into a movie.
Hey Libero,
good to see you made your own video of this. Sara still has the one we shot in the workshop, but we haven't done anything with it yet. I think even just this morning I was wondering if I should post it somewhere. We must be tuned to the same psychic TV station!
One thing: I wished you had included a closeup of the horizontal shot of the piano...there are some amazing wave-like actions that happen as the phases of the keystrokes change that can't be seen well from above. Otherwise, fantastic.
I'd encourage people to check Libero's website for the very simple explanation of this piece. I know I appreciated it much more when I knew what was going on there.
best from Berlin, d.
Libero Mureddu wrote:
Hi, I finally edited the video part for a composition that I made last september-october with pd and the yamaha disklavier. Thanks to Derek Holzer that helped me during a pd workshop in Helsinki to realize a first version of the piece.
Video is here (youtube embedded in the page): www.myspace.com/liberomureddu http://www.myspace.com/liberomureddu
Info about the composition here: http://webusers.siba.fi/~limuredd/deploration.html
i made the same thing a while back, and visualised it with gem:
http://puredata.hurleur.com/sujet-446-this-going-freak
if you use a piano sample and set the speed correctly, the audio will be almost exactly the same.
Couldn´t find it in the forum page.
On 7/16/07, hard off hard.off@gmail.com wrote:
i made the same thing a while back, and visualised it with gem:
http://puredata.hurleur.com/sujet-446-this-going-freak
if you use a piano sample and set the speed correctly, the audio will be almost exactly the same.
On 7/16/07, Derek Holzer derek@umatic.nl wrote:
Hey Libero,
good to see you made your own video of this. Sara still has the one we shot in the workshop, but we haven't done anything with it yet. I think even just this morning I was wondering if I should post it somewhere. We must be tuned to the same psychic TV station!
One thing: I wished you had included a closeup of the horizontal shot of the piano...there are some amazing wave-like actions that happen as the phases of the keystrokes change that can't be seen well from above. Otherwise, fantastic.
I'd encourage people to check Libero's website for the very simple explanation of this piece. I know I appreciated it much more when I knew what was going on there.
Hi Derek, thanks for your kind words.
About the video: you are right, but we had the time just to move the piano downstairs in the hall and shoot the video once. Also, the camera system at the time was just set up, and quite problematic to use.
Best regards,
Libero
best from Berlin,
d.
Libero Mureddu wrote:
Hi, I finally edited the video part for a composition that I made last september-october with pd and the yamaha disklavier. Thanks to Derek Holzer that helped me during a pd workshop in Helsinki to realize a first version of the piece.
Video is here (youtube embedded in the page): www.myspace.com/liberomureddu http://www.myspace.com/liberomureddu
Info about the composition here: http://webusers.siba.fi/~limuredd/deploration.html
-- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 11: "Always first steps"
attached my patch to this mail. i like the piano playing itself version better though.
my patch was just something i saw on the internet which i knew would be easy to make in pd. i forget what site it was.
Wow, it sounds exactly the same, or better, it is the same idea! Nice! And the visualisation part is really beautiful: it shows quite nicely the process. I´ll post mine, even what I wanted originally was a kaleidoscope kind of stuff as you did, really effective. My original source of inspiration was the poème pour 100 métronomes by Ligeti. Before it was performed here in Helsinki, it seemed that nobody could find all the metronomes required (the pyramid ones). The Ligeti piece has however completely random speed. So I thought to make a pd version of it to replace the performance, but they eventually found the metronomes. Later I thought to make a disklavier version of it. The sound with the piano, reminded me some of his piano studies, ie. désordre. But, as an hommage to maybe the most accurate composer of the last century (on many aspects), I wanted to make a precise version, that´s why I took the canon path. The title is referred to a composition by Josquin Desprez after Ockeghem death.
Another inspiration was a web page with an analysis of a Nancarrow´s study, that is, in fact, a proportional canon quite complex, but not as recursive as our process. Unfortunately I think the page is not anymore on line.
Ligeti video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8v-uDhcDyg
Libero On 7/16/07, hard off hard.off@gmail.com wrote:
attached my patch to this mail. i like the piano playing itself version better though.
my patch was just something i saw on the internet which i knew would be easy to make in pd. i forget what site it was.
okay, so what about the composition?
Libero Mureddu libero.mureddu@gmail.com a écrit : Wow,
it sounds exactly the same, or better, it is the same idea! Nice!
And the visualisation part is really beautiful: it shows quite nicely the process. IŽll post mine, even what I wanted originally was a kaleidoscope kind of stuff as you did, really effective.
My original source of inspiration was the poème pour 100 métronomes by Ligeti. Before it was performed here in Helsinki, it seemed that nobody could find all the metronomes required (the pyramid ones). The Ligeti piece has however completely random speed. So I thought to make a pd version of it to replace the performance, but they eventually found the metronomes.
Later I thought to make a disklavier version of it. The sound with the piano, reminded me some of his piano studies, ie. désordre.
But, as an hommage to maybe the most accurate composer of the last century (on many aspects), I wanted to make a precise version, thatŽs why I took the canon path.
The title is referred to a composition by Josquin Desprez after Ockeghem death.
Another inspiration was a web page with an analysis of a NancarrowŽs study, that is, in fact, a proportional canon quite complex, but not as recursive as our process. Unfortunately I think the page is not anymore on line.
Ligeti video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8v-uDhcDyg
Libero On 7/16/07, hard off hard.off@gmail.com wrote: attached my patch to this mail. i like the piano playing itself version better though.
my patch was just something i saw on the internet which i knew would be easy to make in pd. i forget what site it was.
Hi,
sorry, I didn´t understand your question. Can you elaborate it? best regards,
Libero
On 7/16/07, patco megalegoland@yahoo.fr wrote:
okay, so what about the composition?
*Libero Mureddu libero.mureddu@gmail.com* a écrit :
Wow, it sounds exactly the same, or better, it is the same idea! Nice! And the visualisation part is really beautiful: it shows quite nicely the process. I´ll post mine, even what I wanted originally was a kaleidoscope kind of stuff as you did, really effective. My original source of inspiration was the poème pour 100 métronomes by Ligeti. Before it was performed here in Helsinki, it seemed that nobody could find all the metronomes required (the pyramid ones). The Ligeti piece has however completely random speed. So I thought to make a pd version of it to replace the performance, but they eventually found the metronomes. Later I thought to make a disklavier version of it. The sound with the piano, reminded me some of his piano studies, ie. désordre. But, as an hommage to maybe the most accurate composer of the last century (on many aspects), I wanted to make a precise version, that´s why I took the canon path. The title is referred to a composition by Josquin Desprez after Ockeghem death.
Another inspiration was a web page with an analysis of a Nancarrow´s study, that is, in fact, a proportional canon quite complex, but not as recursive as our process. Unfortunately I think the page is not anymore on line.
Ligeti video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8v-uDhcDyg
Libero On 7/16/07, hard off hard.off@gmail.com wrote:
attached my patch to this mail. i like the piano playing itself version better though.
my patch was just something i saw on the internet which i knew would be easy to make in pd. i forget what site it was.
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Well, maybe it is my lack of understanding english, are the pieces linked to this list are your compositions or Risset and Ligeti's?
Libero Mureddu a écrit :
Hi,
sorry, I didnŽt understand your question. Can you elaborate it? best regards,
Libero
On 7/16/07, *patco* < megalegoland@yahoo.fr mailto:megalegoland@yahoo.fr> wrote:
okay, so what about the composition? */ Libero Mureddu <libero.mureddu@gmail.com <mailto:libero.mureddu@gmail.com>>/* a écrit : Wow, it sounds exactly the same, or better, it is the same idea! Nice! And the visualisation part is really beautiful: it shows quite nicely the process. IŽll post mine, even what I wanted originally was a kaleidoscope kind of stuff as you did, really effective. My original source of inspiration was the poème pour 100 métronomes by Ligeti. Before it was performed here in Helsinki, it seemed that nobody could find all the metronomes required (the pyramid ones). The Ligeti piece has however completely random speed. So I thought to make a pd version of it to replace the performance, but they eventually found the metronomes. Later I thought to make a disklavier version of it. The sound with the piano, reminded me some of his piano studies, ie. désordre. But, as an hommage to maybe the most accurate composer of the last century (on many aspects), I wanted to make a precise version, thatŽs why I took the canon path. The title is referred to a composition by Josquin Desprez after Ockeghem death. Another inspiration was a web page with an analysis of a NancarrowŽs study, that is, in fact, a proportional canon quite complex, but not as recursive as our process. Unfortunately I think the page is not anymore on line. Ligeti video is here: Libero On 7/16/07, * hard off* <hard.off@gmail.com <mailto:hard.off@gmail.com>> wrote: attached my patch to this mail. i like the piano playing itself version better though. my patch was just something i saw on the internet which i knew would be easy to make in pd. i forget what site it was. -- Libero Mureddu Vanha Viertotie, 21 as 417 00350 Helsinki Finland http://webusers.siba.fi/~limuredd/ <http://webusers.siba.fi/%7Elimuredd/> http://www.myspace.com/liberomureddu _______________________________________________ PD-list@iem.at <mailto:PD-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stockage illimité de vos mails avec Yahoo! Mail. Changez aujourd'hui de mail ! <http://fr.promotions.yahoo.com/mail/nouveau_yahoomail2.html>
Salut,
the composition that I wanted to show to the pd-list people is the youtube video that you can see at my myspace page: http://myspace.com/liberomureddu the program notes of the same piece are here: http://webusers.siba.fi/~limuredd/compositions.html
In the same page (the myspace one), there are other pieces of mine, only as audio files. I´ve been using a Risset maxmsp patch for the piece called "Improvisation sur écho". Finally I posted the link to the ligeti´s piece for metronomes to this list just as explanation for my idea.
j´éspaire que maintenant c´est plus clair!
Regards,
Libero
On 7/16/07, Patrice Colet megalegoland@yahoo.fr wrote:
Well, maybe it is my lack of understanding english, are the pieces linked to this list are your compositions or Risset and Ligeti's?
Clair comme de l'eau de roche, Merci, :)
Libero Mureddu a écrit :
Salut,
the composition that I wanted to show to the pd-list people is the youtube video that you can see at my myspace page: http://myspace.com/liberomureddu the program notes of the same piece are here: http://webusers.siba.fi/~limuredd/compositions.html
In the same page (the myspace one), there are other pieces of mine, only as audio files. IŽve been using a Risset maxmsp patch for the piece called "Improvisation sur écho". Finally I posted the link to the ligetiŽs piece for metronomes to this list just as explanation for my idea.
jŽéspaire que maintenant cŽest plus clair!
Regards,
Libero
On 7/16/07, *Patrice Colet* < megalegoland@yahoo.fr mailto:megalegoland@yahoo.fr> wrote:
Well, maybe it is my lack of understanding english, are the pieces linked to this list are your compositions or Risset and Ligeti's?
Ligeti video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8v-uDhcDyg
I'm somehow disappointed.... I always thought that Poeme Symphonique was a cool composition, in which as your ears adjust to the sounds of 100 metronomes, new patterns and pitches can emerge. But I think the audio quality is not good enough here. They have to compress the audio like that, so it's really a poor demonstration of the composition. I bet that it's a *lot* better live :)
On the other hand, *your* composition is awesome!!!! I freaking love it!
I had made a composition, also inspired by Ligeti, awhile back, in which I used Shepard tones as an instrument (you know the Risset technique for producing a loop which continually decreases/increases in pitch). Well, I took the Risset loop, gapped it into notes and applied a non-linear function which creates random rhythms in it. Also, it's a canon :)
check out my page at: http://czh.zapto.org/composition.html There you will find the freqsweep suite, and freqsweep3.wav (the largest one) has many characteristics similar to yours, such as emergent patterns and the seeming constant continuous changes in pitch. You will probably want to try to download it, and not play it from the site. It will simply take too long.
Chuck
Charles Henry a écrit :
Ligeti video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8v-uDhcDyg
This piece reminds a study of polyrythms I've made with mixing together prime numbers of notes into a 4/4 bar, where we can hear how the notes are regrouped at the symmetric point (the middle) of the bar, this gives a kind of cyclic compression-decompression of notes density. I'm actually working on a DS musical score patch that almost illustrate it, here is a sample:
http://megalego.free.fr/pd/scoregame/polyrytharm.pd
For adding spice I've also divided the octave by the number of notes in the polyrythm.
check out my page at: http://czh.zapto.org/composition.html
I've been particulary interested by your microtonal guitar, and I'm curious if the player is able to make good sounding chords with it. Also it's possible to play microtonal scales with an usual guitar, with just tuning strings differently, for example by lowering the G string about 1/4 tone, then with the ratio between the G string and the B string, it's possible to play 24 notes scales, not in an easy way, I admit.
Thanks for the share, and for the inspiration this discussion might involve.
http://megalego.free.fr/pd/scoregame/polyrytharm.pd
For adding spice I've also divided the octave by the number of notes in the polyrythm.
That's really interesting, and I love the graphical output. It's very whimsical, having the animated notes that go around in circles on the score.
I've been particulary interested by your microtonal guitar, and I'm curious if the player is able to make good sounding chords with it. Also it's possible to play microtonal scales with an usual guitar, with just tuning strings differently, for example by lowering the G string about 1/4 tone, then with the ratio between the G string and the B string, it's possible to play 24 notes scales, not in an easy way, I admit.
The guitar is not that hard to play, after all. Diatonic scales line up very well in 19-tet, but there's extra notes in between. In 12-tet you have a diatonic scale as follows: 0,2,4,5,7,9,11,12 In 19-tet, you have 0,3,6,8,11,14,17,19 so, there are notes of the chromatic scale as follows: C,C#,Db,D,D#,Eb,E,E#,F,F#,Gb,G,G#,Ab,A,A#,Bb,B,B#,C
Chords based on diatonic scale line up very well in 19-tet. I can play nearly anything on the "microtonal" 19-tet scale that I could also play in 12-tet. It's advantage is in chromatic voice variation, since there are extra notes to use, and some intervals become evenly divisible. Example, a perfect 4th is 8/19th of an octave; it's divisible by 2,4, or 8 On the other hand, 19 is a prime number, so none of the intervals evenly divide the octave any more. So, diminished/augmented chords are out, despite having more variations that all sound like dim or aug chords with small variations
At the moment, I have tuned the guitar from C to E, so that the frequency ratio between any two strings is an odd harmonic ratio.
it goes: C, A, D#, G, B#, E (as numbers: 0,14,23,30,37,44) and the ratios between strings are: 5/3 , 7/5 , 9/7 , 9/7 , 9/7
and I have no idea what to do with it. I work on it sometimes, but I don't know how it's actually useful for anything.
Chuck
Charles Henry a écrit :
http://megalego.free.fr/pd/scoregame/polyrytharm.pd
For adding spice I've also divided the octave by the number of notes in the polyrythm.
That's really interesting, and I love the graphical output. It's very whimsical, having the animated notes that go around in circles on the score.
Yes indeed, the patch I've provided is more about having fun with visuals than sequencing, but I'm planning to do something more usefull for musical score writing, the really interesting part for me is that we can divide the time by any integer ratio, and then it give the possibility of breaking the rules imposed by MIDI sequencing.
it goes: C, A, D#, G, B#, E (as numbers: 0,14,23,30,37,44) and the ratios between strings are: 5/3 , 7/5 , 9/7 , 9/7 , 9/7
and I have no idea what to do with it. I work on it sometimes, but I don't know how it's actually useful for anything.
Chuck
This guitar could be very usefull for playing in-between notes of arabic erudite music, and then resolve problems involved by all differents scales used in different regions of north africa.
Haven't done much musical for months so I got nothing... but I'm loving this thread. Listening to Pd related music most the afternoon it's truly inspirational. More please..
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:25:19 +0200 Patrice Colet megalegoland@yahoo.fr wrote:
Charles Henry a écrit :
Ligeti video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8v-uDhcDyg
This piece reminds a study of polyrythms I've made with mixing together prime numbers of notes into a 4/4 bar, where we can hear how the notes are regrouped at the symmetric point (the middle) of the bar, this gives a kind of cyclic compression-decompression of notes density. I'm actually working on a DS musical score patch that almost illustrate it, here is a sample:
http://megalego.free.fr/pd/scoregame/polyrytharm.pd
For adding spice I've also divided the octave by the number of notes in the polyrythm.
check out my page at: http://czh.zapto.org/composition.html
I've been particulary interested by your microtonal guitar, and I'm curious if the player is able to make good sounding chords with it. Also it's possible to play microtonal scales with an usual guitar, with just tuning strings differently, for example by lowering the G string about 1/4 tone, then with the ratio between the G string and the B string, it's possible to play 24 notes scales, not in an easy way, I admit.
Thanks for the share, and for the inspiration this discussion might involve.
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