You are right, I just started looking through the Toxy library examples, and so far it looks really nice! I'm excited about this! How do these sliders and such compare with the iemgui objects in terms of gridlock?
~Kyle
On 5/7/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
As far as I know, [tot] is quite stable, at least in the context of Pd-extended. If anyone has a problems with it, please file a bug report.
.hc
On May 7, 2007, at 2:09 PM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote:
Never mind, that one actually worked for me. But the tot examples are not loaded when using Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc2.app on OS X 10.4.9. I'll file a bug in the tracker?
~Kyle
On 5/7/07, Kyle Klipowicz kyleklip@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, but good luck actually being able to use the toxy library out of box!
~Kyle
On 5/4/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
On May 3, 2007, at 11:56 PM, Chris McCormick wrote:
On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 03:10:16PM +0200, Roman Haefeli wrote:
On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 02:01 -0700, Luke Iannini (pd) wrote: > thanks to > [closebang]).
i vote for including [closebang] into pd vanilla. is there any chance, that it will be included? that is one of the most wanted missing objects for me.
I second that vote. Would love to see a 'savebang' too. That
would
really help with the state saving stuff. It should go off
after ctrl-S
or 'Save' menu item is selected, but before the save is
performed.
You can already do that with a little help from [toxy/tot], see attached.
.hc
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[tow] and [widget] are a different story. I suppose they are like
UNIX: they won't do anything to prevent you from blowing your leg
off. But I don't have a lot of experience with them, so I can't
really say.
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On May 7, 2007, at 2:26 PM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote:
You are right, I just started looking through the Toxy library examples, and so far it looks really nice! I'm excited about this! How do these sliders and such compare with the iemgui objects in terms of gridlock?
~Kyle
On 5/7/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
As far as I know, [tot] is quite stable, at least in the context of Pd-extended. If anyone has a problems with it, please file a bug report.
.hc
On May 7, 2007, at 2:09 PM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote:
Never mind, that one actually worked for me. But the tot
examples are
not loaded when using Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc2.app on OS X 10.4.9.
I'll
file a bug in the tracker?
~Kyle
On 5/7/07, Kyle Klipowicz kyleklip@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, but good luck actually being able to use the toxy library out of box!
~Kyle
On 5/4/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
On May 3, 2007, at 11:56 PM, Chris McCormick wrote:
On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 03:10:16PM +0200, Roman Haefeli wrote: > On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 02:01 -0700, Luke Iannini (pd) wrote: >> thanks to >> [closebang]). > > i vote for including [closebang] into pd vanilla. is there
any
> chance, > that it will be included? that is one of the most wanted
missing
> objects > for me.
I second that vote. Would love to see a 'savebang' too. That
would
really help with the state saving stuff. It should go off
after ctrl-S
or 'Save' menu item is selected, but before the save is
performed.
You can already do that with a little help from [toxy/tot], see attached.
.hc
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On Mon May 07, 2007 at 01:26:09PM -0500, Kyle Klipowicz wrote:
You are right, I just started looking through the Toxy library examples, and so far it looks really nice! I'm excited about this! How do these sliders and such compare with the iemgui objects in terms of gridlock?
you mean like when the widgets stop updating graphically (numbox moves the value but doesnt reflect the changes in the GUI) or something else?
it works better than iemgui for effiiency since you can just send over values, instead of drawing instructions which are often 4x as long.
as long as you stay within the socket bandwidth limit, i found win32 was the best performer. i mean a scrolling full color 25fps spectrogram was using 2% total CPU, if the task manager is to be believed, on a lowly single-core 2ghz amd64. the same patch on linux has pd and X eaech using like 20% CPU, if top can be believed :/
i'd agree Toxy is pretty nice - its the best youre going to get with the old pd-gui - you get constructors, destructors, all of Tk, and you dont have to know/care how nastily the rest of the GUI is implemented :)
One question I have with the toxy sliders is this: in the multiscale-test.pd file, there are some really neat sliders, but how do you create these, and what are the creation arguments?
I know that we can just go in to the patch as a text file and get this information, but it would be nice if there were some more instructions on the usage of these really powerful gui tools. What references are recommended for experimenting with this?
~Kyle
On 5/7/07, carmen _@whats-your.name wrote:
On Mon May 07, 2007 at 01:26:09PM -0500, Kyle Klipowicz wrote:
You are right, I just started looking through the Toxy library examples, and so far it looks really nice! I'm excited about this! How do these sliders and such compare with the iemgui objects in terms of gridlock?
you mean like when the widgets stop updating graphically (numbox moves the value but doesnt reflect the changes in the GUI) or something else?
it works better than iemgui for effiiency since you can just send over values, instead of drawing instructions which are often 4x as long.
as long as you stay within the socket bandwidth limit, i found win32 was the best performer. i mean a scrolling full color 25fps spectrogram was using 2% total CPU, if the task manager is to be believed, on a lowly single-core 2ghz amd64. the same patch on linux has pd and X eaech using like 20% CPU, if top can be believed :/
i'd agree Toxy is pretty nice - its the best youre going to get with the old pd-gui - you get constructors, destructors, all of Tk, and you dont have to know/care how nastily the rest of the GUI is implemented :)
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On Mon May 07, 2007 at 02:08:12PM -0500, Kyle Klipowicz wrote:
One question I have with the toxy sliders is this: in the multiscale-test.pd file, there are some really neat sliders, but how do you create these, and what are the creation arguments?
[widget widgetname widgetref moreargs] where widgetname is the name of the .wid file sans extension and widgetref is any unique symbol
I know that we can just go in to the patch as a text file and get this information, but it would be nice if there were some more instructions on the usage of these really powerful gui tools. What references are recommended for experimenting with this?
that's probably the most nasty part of toxy,
its got its own preprocessing syntax on top of normal TCL with special additions for arguments from pd, widget/canvas IDs, etc, and the widget source code is read by the server, then processed and sent to the client (so scripts longer than the max pd message size get truncated)
an autogenerated '--usage' message responder would probably need some hints to be more useful and efficient than just reading the widget's source..
can you instantiate PD objects via right clicking on the canvas yet? toxy registering all the avilable widgets in a user-GUI submenu of that menu's class-browser model sounds like the way to go..
There is a fair amount of documentation on the website:
http://suita.chopin.edu.pl/~czaja/miXed/externs/toxy.html
It would be very handy if you created some better help files for this
stuff thru your explorations. I'll happily check them in. Also, if
you get really inspired, it would be very nice to figure out how best
to integrate these into Pd-extended so that they are easy to use.
.hc
On May 7, 2007, at 3:08 PM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote:
One question I have with the toxy sliders is this: in the multiscale-test.pd file, there are some really neat sliders, but how do you create these, and what are the creation arguments?
I know that we can just go in to the patch as a text file and get this information, but it would be nice if there were some more instructions on the usage of these really powerful gui tools. What references are recommended for experimenting with this?
~Kyle
On 5/7/07, carmen _@whats-your.name wrote:
On Mon May 07, 2007 at 01:26:09PM -0500, Kyle Klipowicz wrote:
You are right, I just started looking through the Toxy library examples, and so far it looks really nice! I'm excited about
this! How do these sliders and such compare with the iemgui objects in
terms of gridlock?you mean like when the widgets stop updating graphically (numbox
moves the value but doesnt reflect the changes in the GUI) or
something else?it works better than iemgui for effiiency since you can just send
over values, instead of drawing instructions which are often 4x as
long.as long as you stay within the socket bandwidth limit, i found
win32 was the best performer. i mean a scrolling full color 25fps
spectrogram was using 2% total CPU, if the task manager is to be
believed, on a lowly single-core 2ghz amd64. the same patch on
linux has pd and X eaech using like 20% CPU, if top can be
believed :/i'd agree Toxy is pretty nice - its the best youre going to get
with the old pd-gui - you get constructors, destructors, all of
Tk, and you dont have to know/care how nastily the rest of the GUI
is implemented :)
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Good question, the [widget] and [tot] externals are maybe hacks, but also very powerfull if the user knows tcl and tk, but with a limited set of examples, certainly because a few people did try to explore this. I'm trying to build a 'good old' pianoroll,
http://megalego.free.fr/pd/pianoroll/proll.JPG
with starting from the grid widget available in ix widget extensions, but it's a quite complicated task for someone that just begin to understand what is an interpreted language, if anyone is interested into looking at the code it's attached.
Le lundi 07 mai 2007 à 14:08 -0500, Kyle Klipowicz a écrit :
One question I have with the toxy sliders is this: in the multiscale-test.pd file, there are some really neat sliders, but how do you create these, and what are the creation arguments?
I know that we can just go in to the patch as a text file and get this information, but it would be nice if there were some more instructions on the usage of these really powerful gui tools. What references are recommended for experimenting with this?
~Kyle
On 5/7/07, carmen _@whats-your.name wrote:
On Mon May 07, 2007 at 01:26:09PM -0500, Kyle Klipowicz wrote:
You are right, I just started looking through the Toxy library examples, and so far it looks really nice! I'm excited about this! How do these sliders and such compare with the iemgui objects in terms of gridlock?
you mean like when the widgets stop updating graphically (numbox moves the value but doesnt reflect the changes in the GUI) or something else?
it works better than iemgui for effiiency since you can just send over values, instead of drawing instructions which are often 4x as long.
as long as you stay within the socket bandwidth limit, i found win32 was the best performer. i mean a scrolling full color 25fps spectrogram was using 2% total CPU, if the task manager is to be believed, on a lowly single-core 2ghz amd64. the same patch on linux has pd and X eaech using like 20% CPU, if top can be believed :/
i'd agree Toxy is pretty nice - its the best youre going to get with the old pd-gui - you get constructors, destructors, all of Tk, and you dont have to know/care how nastily the rest of the GUI is implemented :)
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