On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 5:07 PM IOhannes m zmölnig zmoelnig@iem.at wrote:
so *you* only need to implement whatever backend you want.
keep in mind, that Pd doesn't depend on any external library for doing the encoding/decoding, and afaict it should stay that way. so you "just" need to implement mp3, ogg, wmv, flac,... from scratch.
good luck.
What is your personal vision for what PD should be, IOhannes? What would you say are the core values of PD?
Frankly, I consider this attitude arrogant, rude and offensive. Telling me what I "need to" do!!!
One of my favorite language designers is Larry Wall (Perl). Larry has talked about his design choices quite often, such as
1: Users (Perl programmers) should not experience any artificial or rigid limitations
2: Perl should be flexible enough to adapt to a user's needs and programming style, and not vice versa. He calls this approach "non-orthogonality". He relates it to looking at an apartment quad, where the designer first watches the paths that people make getting around, the worn patches of grass, and then builds the sidewalks there.
to be honest: while i understand that mp3 is super-nice to have in your
DJ setup, it really isn't a production format.
Who said anything about a DJ setup? As Christof said, there are many different uses for this tool.
Who are you to be telling me which file formats I should use?
YOUR particular sound aesthetics are fine... *FOR YOU!* in how you use PD, make music, design sound, etc.
But please don't force me to adopt YOUR aesthetics by crippling PD to enforce them!
*The fact is, MP3 is probably the most common audio file format* *in use today. *It is very inconvenient to (outside of PD) convert any MP3 samples I want to use, to WAV before I use them in PD.
This conversion BTW, DOES NOT ADD information, so the resulting WAV is guaranteed not to be better than the source.
This is ALWAYS the case!
Just because the file format is potentially uncompressed, does not mean that it is a high-quality sample.
So any arrogance, dogma, or demands made upon me based on the alleged superiority of the "WAV file aesthetic" seem misplaced to me.
Again, PD should be like Perl: NO ARTIFICIAL LIMITATIONS. Make it as flexible as possible.
If users want to read MP3s, OGGs, or FLACs, then lets make this possible.
I understand there are licensing issues with MP3 (esp. writing them), but other FOSS tools seem to have found a way to make it easy to speak MP3 despite this limitation.
Even if it happens in an external which is easy to find and load.
The answer to the question, "Why doesn't soundfiler support MP3" being "because IOhannes doesn't like them" does not sound acceptable to me.
Thanks, BH
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On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 5:07 PM IOhannes m zmölnig zmoelnig@iem.at wrote:
On 2/11/20 9:48 PM, William Huston wrote:
As long as we are talking about soundfiler,
It sure would be nice if someone could make soundfiler read
any audio file type:
WAV MP3 OGG WMV FLAC AU AIFF etc
dan has recently done some refactoring of the soundfile-i/o backend, which should make all this much simpler.
so *you* only need to implement whatever backend you want. keep in mind, that Pd doesn't depend on any external library for doing the encoding/decoding, and afaict it should stay that way. so you "just" need to implement mp3, ogg, wmv, flac,... from scratch.
good luck.
to be honest: while i understand that mp3 is super-nice to have in your DJ setup, it really isn't a production format. (same for ogg and wmv: these are all handy formats to deliver content to the end-user, but not something you want to use during production). flac is mostly an archiving format. which leaves WAV, AU & AIFF from your list, all of which are already supported. what your list is missing is CAF, and this is what motivated dans recent work (so once his PR is accepted, you can read soundfiles "like a pro")
gmsrda IOhannes
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