I understand that they are trying to separate the interface from the
implementation. The problem with that technique is there isn't a
clear way to tell which item in presentation mode belongs to which
item in edit mode. I can see having to click back and forth
between presentation and edit modes to figure out which GUI element
is attached where. It'll only get worse with more complicated patches.
Max/Pd are graphical languages, so such things should be represented
visually, whenever possible. I don't see how the two different
positions are represented, besides the little moving fade between the
two modes.
I think the "hide patch coords" function also has similar issues, it
basically reinforces bad habits. The Pd graph-on-parent makes more
sense IMHO because it uses existing Pd mechanisms for encapsulation
and encourages patchers to modularize their programs. GOP definitely
needs work, but I think it's a better path.
On a positive note, the new file browser stuff looks really handy.
The drag-n-drop message creation looks nifty, but I am not sure how
useful it is. Maybe yes, maybe no.
.hc
On Oct 9, 2007, at 3:15 PM, vade wrote:
Hans, thats the whole point of presentation mode, to separate the
patching logic from the presentation!you can organize your gui elements in the code in places that make
sense and follow the logical flow of the patch, and then present
them in the UI however you choose.I am so glad they finally listened to Max users screaming for PD's
keyboard shortcuts for instantiation of objects method. Will make
patching much faster for us Max users.On Oct 9, 2007, at 2:55 PM, altern wrote:
these links interesting as well.
An article by Zicarelly: http://www.cycling74.com/?op=displaystory;sid=2007/9/28/105551/882
and videos showing the new max: http://www.cycling74.com/story/2007/10/5/91222/9559
Hans-Christoph Steiner(e)k dio:
Hmm, looks nice, with lots of nifty features. But I think a lot
of them would drive me nuts. Like the fact that you can move the GUI
elements around in presentation mode separately from edit mode..hc
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