I understand that they are trying to separate the interface from the implementation.  The problem with that technique is there isn't a clear way to tell which item in presentation mode belongs to which item in edit mode.    I can see having to click back and forth between presentation and edit modes to figure out which GUI element is attached where.  It'll only get worse with more complicated patches.

Max/Pd are graphical languages, so such things should be represented visually, whenever possible.  I don't see how the two different positions are represented, besides the little moving fade between the two modes.

I think the "hide patch coords" function also has similar issues, it basically reinforces bad habits.   The Pd graph-on-parent makes more sense IMHO because it uses existing Pd mechanisms for encapsulation and encourages patchers to modularize their programs.  GOP definitely needs work, but I think it's a better path.

On a positive note, the new file browser stuff looks really handy.  The drag-n-drop message creation looks nifty, but I am not sure how useful it is.  Maybe yes, maybe no.

.hc

On Oct 9, 2007, at 3:15 PM, vade wrote:

Hans, thats the whole point of presentation mode, to separate the patching logic from the presentation!

you can organize your gui elements in the code in places that make sense and follow the logical flow of the patch, and then present them in the UI however you choose.

I am so glad they finally listened to Max users screaming for PD's keyboard shortcuts for instantiation of objects method. Will make patching much faster for us Max users.

 


On Oct 9, 2007, at 2:55 PM, altern wrote:

these links interesting as well.

An article by Zicarelly:
http://www.cycling74.com/?op=displaystory;sid=2007/9/28/105551/882

and videos showing the new max:
http://www.cycling74.com/story/2007/10/5/91222/9559


Hans-Christoph Steiner(e)k dio:

Hmm, looks nice, with lots of nifty features.  But I think a lot of them 
would drive me nuts.  Like the fact that you can move the GUI elements 
around in presentation mode separately from edit mode.

.hc

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