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[PD-announce] ELSE 1.0-0 RC7 and Live Electronics Tutorial
by Alexandre Torres Porres 02 Mar '23

02 Mar '23

ELSE 1.0-0 rc7 with Live Electronics Tutorial is out. These ELSE updates are only happening this often to pair up with PlugData releases, which is rocking hard (expect a PlugData release announcement soon) - btw, this means I'm not really following my release plans towards a my release... On breaking changes, I'm highlighting that I'm removing the recently added support for pd-lua. It is still available in PlugData though! I couldn't really get into it and Albert Graef is really active in its development. So now plugdata users have to download it separately for vanilla, and yes, I uploaded the latest version (0.11.6) to deken as well. I thought I could maybe create my own pd-lua variant but I gave it up. I'd still like to offer something like ofelia does, but it's way beyond my limits and way down in my priorities. By the way, Albert also started porting ELSE to Purr Data, check it out ==> https://github.com/agraef/purr-data/releases/tag/2.19.2+ELSE There are also many bug fixes and new features. Let me highlight that most of my oscillators now have built-in "Soft Sync" capabilities! They can also optionally take pitch in MIDI, which helps with exponential FM. As for new objects, I'm including [beats~], a bpm detection based on aubio. Seb shader also included a new [keycode] object that responds to computer keyboard keys with layout independence and I'm using it for another object ([keymap]) that turns your computer keyboard into a MIDI keyboard input. For last, I'm also including [plaits~], which is based on the PLAITS module from Mutable Instruments. More clones from Mutable Instruments are coming and I have to say I have big plans in 2023 to also design eurorack inspired abstractions (like MAX's Beap and Automatonism). This should be a submodule in ELSE and available in PlugData too, but will have its own name and repository (it is called *Modular EuroRacks Dancing Along* *[M.E.R.D.A.]*). I also have a new chapter in my tutorial about 'CV' (Control Voltage). So, yeah, I'm going modular... ELSE 1.0-0 RC7 is up on deken for Linux/mac/windows 64 bit versions. I'm having issues building for raspberry pi (same for pd-lua) but can upload it if someone helps me with that. Total number of objects is now 474 and total number of examples in the tutorial is 498 (expect me to go beyond 475 objects and 500 examples in the next update). Here's a full changelog: https://github.com/porres/pd-else/releases/tag/v1.0-rc7 If you've read this far, you probably care about this project of mine. May I ask you then to consider supporting me on PATREON --> https://www.patreon.com/porres?l=en I promise to focus on issues and request from subscribers and this already happened for this release, where I was able to improve [else/bicoeff] thanks to 'Esa Ruoho'. I also promise to take motivation from patreon support to keep collaborating to Pd Vanilla as well :) as in my tedious and long revisions of the documentation and other stuff. Cheers _______________________________________________ Pd-announce mailing list Pd-announce(a)lists.iem.at https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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Re: [PD] Attaching Xcode debugger
by Dan Wilcox 28 Feb '23

28 Feb '23

You were not unclear. I was trying to be clear that it's probably easier to built Pd yourself than to try to figure out changing entitlements files to trick Gatekeeper. It's not hard and I have to admit I am unwilling to try the linked trick for Supercollider (because I can already build Pd). > On Feb 28, 2023, at 1:26 PM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2023 11:54:27 +0000 > From: Pierre Alexandre Tremblay <tremblap(a)gmail.com <mailto:tremblap@gmail.com>> > Cc: Pd-List <pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>> > Subject: Re: [PD] Attaching Xcode debugger > Message-ID: <4C0811D9-F180-42A3-8643-D149E7F64F72(a)gmail.com <mailto:4C0811D9-F180-42A3-8643-D149E7F64F72@gmail.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thanks for these > > I was unclear - I?m trying to debug an external (all flags ok) to a downloaded version of Pd and this is where the sandboxing is freaking out lldb. In the article I pointed, they show how to modify the entitlements of the host, which I did successfully for a downloaded version of SuperCollider, but I don?t seem able to do this with the downloaded version of Pd... -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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Re: [PD] Attaching Xcode debugger
by Dan Wilcox 28 Feb '23

28 Feb '23

> On Feb 28, 2023, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > Hello > > So we all know how Apple is sandboxing like hell. Sure, but allowing *any* old program to be debugged / decompiled in realtime is not the best for security implications, at least Apple thinks so. Your subject is a little misleading as the "Xcode debugger" is essential lldb. Xcode itself simply wraps lldb when debugging and provides a UI top interact with it. In fact, on a debug build crash in Xcode, you can enter lldb commands directly into the console, ie. "bt" will provide a backtrace directly. > How do people attach a debugger to pd to do development? "lldb" like "gdb" For quick tests of a known crasher, I usually use: make cd bin lldb pd This will use the system Tcl/Tk which has had issues for years now, but is enough for quick testing. For best testing, build the .app and invoke the pd binary inside it. For example: make make app lldb Pd-0.53-2.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd Once lldb launches, you have to start the process: process launch When a crash happens, you can get the backtrace with "bt", change frames with "f #", and print variables via "v". If you have used gdb before, this is a helpful crib sheet: https://lldb.llvm.org/use/map.html <https://lldb.llvm.org/use/map.html> Note: If you are using a newer macOS system and want to *also* use a newer version of Tcl/Tk, build Wish.app first then use it to make the Pd .app bundle: ./macos/tcltk-wish.sh 8.6.12 produces a Wish-8.6.12.app. Next use it to build Pd .app with: ./mac/osx-app.sh -w Wish-8.6.12.app 0.53-2 Now you can change the C sources and rebuild with: make ./mac/osx-app.sh -w Wish-8.6.12.app 0.53-2 > Do I have to recompile pd myself as the long winded detour? If you want debugging symbols, yes. Fortunately it is relative easy to compile Pd so I don't consider it "long-winded." In fact, we have spent quite a bit of time to make this both possible *and* relatively easy. (See above.) -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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Attaching Xcode debugger
by Pierre Alexandre Tremblay 27 Feb '23

27 Feb '23

Hello So we all know how Apple is sandboxing like hell. I have found this article which allows me to modify the entitlements for SuperCollider but the same procedure doesn’t work on Pd. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/69914876/why-xcode-can-not-attach-to-so… How do people attach a debugger to pd to do development? Do I have to recompile pd myself as the long winded detour? Any pointers welcome p

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[PD-announce] ICAD 2023 | 2nd Call for Contributions | 26 June - 01 July | Norrköping, Sweden
by Marian Weger 27 Feb '23

27 Feb '23

(Apologies for cross-postings, please distribute widely) ICAD 2023 2nd Call for Submission of Papers, Extended Abstracts, Workshops/Tutorials, and Music/Installations 28th International Conference on Auditory Display Norrköping, Sweden 26 June – 01 July 2023 https://icad2023.icad.org THEME: “SONIFICATION FOR THE MASSES” After decades of research dedicated to sonification in terms of audio signal processing, aesthetics, art and design, perception, awareness and human factors, accessibility, auditory augmentation and mixed reality, auditory displays have reached a state with tools and principles that work. It is about time for the breakthrough of sonification in terms of implementation in mass media and consumer markets: Sonification for the masses! The ICAD 2023 committee is seeking full papers, abstracts, concert pieces, demos, installations, workshops, and tutorials from across the full spectrum of auditory display research and practice. This year, we are particularly interested in use cases from everyday life, implementations in mass media, sonification evaluation by wider populations, concepts of sonification in education, learnability and pleasantness of sonifications, and other ways to tackle the theme of sonification for the general public. How informative, aesthetic, universally applicable or specified do sonifications need to be in order to be beneficial for users outside the audio community? During the student think tank, students and young researchers get the chance to exchange ideas and learn from established members of the auditory display community. As a satellite event, we are organizing the Sonic-Tilt competition, where researchers, students and artists submit their own sound design for Tiltification, a bullseye spirit level available in the Google Play Store and Apple App Store. SUBMIT HERE: https://easychair.org/conferences/?conf=icad2023 SUBMISSION DEADLINES: Full Papers (6 to 8 pages) - March 1, 2023 Extended Abstracts (2 to 4 pages) - March 15 Workshops / Tutorials / Demos - March 15 Live Performances / Installations - March 15 Doctoral Consortium / Think Tank - March 15 For details on topics of interest, proposal format, submission instructions, and additional conference information, please visit https://icad2023.icad.org/cfp/ COMMITTEES: Papers: Tim Ziemer and Marian Weger – papers(a)icad2023.icad.org Extended Abstracts: Jonas Löwgren and Michael Nees – abstracts(a)icad2023.icad.org Music: Michael Iber – music(a)icad2023.icad.org Workshops & Tutorials: Emma Frid – workshops(a)icad2023.icad.org Installations & Demos: Jordan Wirfs-Brock – installations(a)icad2023.icad.org Student Think Tank: Sara Lenzi – thinktank(a)icad2023.icad.org Sonic-Tilt Competition: Tim Ziemer – sonictilt(a)icad2023.icad.org Accessibility & Webmaster: Katie Wolf – accessibility(a)icad2023.icad.org About ICAD: First held in 1992, ICAD is a highly interdisciplinary conference with relevance to researchers, practitioners, artists, and graduate students working with sound to convey and explore information. The conference is unique in its specific focus on auditory displays and the range of interdisciplinary issues related to their use. Like its predecessors, ICAD 2023 will be a single-track conference, open to all, with no membership or affiliation requirements. Niklas Rönnberg Chair of ICAD 2023 chair(a)icad2023.icad.org _______________________________________________ Pd-announce mailing list Pd-announce(a)lists.iem.at https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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GOP auto-moving issue with Pd Vanilla 0.53.1 under GNU/Linux and Windows
by Linux Rouen Normandie 26 Feb '23

26 Feb '23

Hello List, In one of my project I have the same weird issue under both GNU/Linux (Linux Mint, Ubuntu Studio, Manjaro Linux, Raspberry Pi OS) and Windows with the use of Pd Vanilla GOP. It's moving/jumping down/up (y axis only) when maximizing/minimizing its windows or changing its y size with the mouse. See here attached animated GIF file (zoom-out) realized with a RPi 400. This is true for both zoom-out / zoom-in level. But its parent patch doesn't have this weird behavior. The x,y position of the GOP is not impacted at all. Removing from its parent patch all the objects, inside + outside the GOP, doesn't change this weird behavior. Note that trying to reproduce this problem from scratch with very simple patches+GOP is not always giving the same result. Sometimes it's okay but sometimes not. Random behavior seems to be around. Is there a known bug in Pd Vanilla or something wrong in the design of my patch regarding GOP? Thank you. Best, Joe-Rouen

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Creating/editing patches on android?
by Matevz Leskovsek 23 Feb '23

23 Feb '23

Hi all, as I remember all those PD on Android platforms (mobmuplat, pddroid) only allowed running patches and not editing those, meaning that one needed a desktop computer to create and edit patches. Is this still the case or is it possible now to use Android device for creating and running pd patches. Thanks!

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Can't open compiled [pyo~] object
by Alexandros 22 Feb '23

22 Feb '23

I'm trying to compile the [pyo~] external that comes with the Pyo module for DSP in Python http://ajaxsoundstudio.com/software/pyo/. The object uses Pd's old Makefile and does compile, giving me a pyo~.l_ia64 binary file (I'm on Linux, UbuntuStudio 22.04). When I try to load the object in Pd, I get the following error: `/home/alexandros/Documents/Pd/externals/pyo/pyo~.l_ia64: /home/alexandros/Documents/Pd/externals/pyo/pyo~.l_ia64: undefined symbol: _Py_NoneStruct` The same object compiles fine on a Rasbperry Pi 3 and 4. I also tried to compile it with pd-lib-builder. Here's the Makefile I used, based on the existing Makefile that comes with pyo~.c: ``` lib.name= pyo~ class.sources= pyo~.c common.sources= m_pyo.h cflags= -I"$(PD_INCLUDE)" -I.. -Wno-cast-function-type -Wno-unused-parameter $(shell python-config --cflags) ldflags= $(shell python-config --ldflags) libs= $(shell python-config --libs) datafiles= pyo-help.pd README.md PDLIBBUILDER_DIR=../pd-lib-builder/ include$(PDLIBBUILDER_DIR)/Makefile.pdlibbuilder ``` And here's the output when I type `make`: ``` ++++ info: using Makefile.pdlibbuilder version 0.6.0 ++++ info: using Pd API /usr/include/pd/m_pd.h ++++ info: making target all in lib pyo~ ++++ info: making pyo~.o in lib pyo~ cc -DPD -I "/usr/include/pd" -DUNIX -fPIC -I"" -I.. -Wno-cast-function-type -Wno-unused-parameter -I/usr/include/python3.10 -I/usr/include/python3.10 -Wno-unused-result -Wsign-compare -g -fstack-protector-strong -Wformat -Werror= format-security -DNDEBUG -g -fwrapv -O2 -Wall -Wall -Wextra -Wshadow -Winline -Wstrict-aliasing -O3 -ffast-math -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer -march=core2 -mfpmath=sse -msse -msse2 -msse3 -o pyo~.o -c pyo~.c make: *** No rule to make target 'm_pyo.o', needed by 'pyo~.pd_linux'. Stop. ``` In the pyo~.c file there's a `#include "Python.h"`. Does this mean that I should direct the Makefile to find this file? Because no Python.h file comes with the source code. Can anyone help?

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[PD-announce] Cyclone 0.7-0 is out
by Alexandre Torres Porres 21 Feb '23

21 Feb '23

Celebrating the 7th anniversary of our takeover, Cyclone 0.7-0 has been released today on february 21st 2023. The main goal for 7 years has been updating cyclone to MAX 7, the major release version at the time in 2016. I thought we had taken care of all updates but we missed [mtr], an object that got updates sometime after 7.0 and ironically this is one that got too much new stuff. Amongst new messages and attributes, there are almost 30 new things, no kidding. Many of which can't even be included in cyclone because we miss some stuff like dictionary and transport. We included some of the main things and started dealing with it... we now have 'speed', 'trackspeed', 'embed' and 'loop', but the thing is that the design of this object is questionable and things don't work quite well, like 'looping'. This is a usual problem in Cyclone, implementing things as they are originally instead of how they should be if designed in a sane way... [mtr] is also a feature creep nightmare and some things will be really hard to implement, but let's see. Worst case scenario we'll stop at one point and say we couldn't make it and only reached like 99% of our goal :) I guess cannot help but pass the impression that I am not so happy and excited about keeping up with this, I am really busy with ELSE and also Vanilla stuff. We may be reaching the point where Cyclone's development of new stuff will stop and we'll keep it in maintenance mode. I am not sure we'll pursue MAX 8 updates, but maybe that can happen if nothing crazy like [mtr] happens. For now, not much really happened in MAX 8 so I don't wanna discard it yet. Let's see if we can do it when MAX 9 comes out. The thing is that cyclone contains a limited set of MAX/MSP and MAX has been adding new things all the time, which makes it a bit pointless to get a limited set of things updated to the last version. The other thing is not caring much about this anymore after 7 years :) Other things in this release is that [comment] is basically done, before realizing [mtr] updates were missing, this was the last thing that needed finishing and we also said we couldn't include all features from MAX 7 in it. This object now has also extra features just for cyclone, something that rarely happens in Cyclone. To be honest, this is now a clone of [else/note], an object that first started based on cyclone/comment. Anyway, this thing finally has a properties windows, thanks to Tim Schoen, and is now acceptable! I did some other funny thing. I expanded [pink~], which now also has extra features, it is now the same object as else/pink~, which has extra features and is backwards compatible to the old cyclone/pink~. I hope people don't mind this. Full changelog at https://github.com/porres/pd-cyclone/releases/tag/cyclone_0.7-0 it should be up in deken Cheers _______________________________________________ Pd-announce mailing list Pd-announce(a)lists.iem.at https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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Problem Setting Up a Camera with Gem Using a udev rule on Ubuntu
by Jim Ruxton 21 Feb '23

21 Feb '23

I want to set up a couple of cameras using udev so I can plug them in and get them working without having to query what /dev/video# they are. I set up the following rules. ACTION=="add",SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux",ATTRS{idVendor}=="046d",SYMLINK+="HDPro" ACTION=="add",SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux",ATTRS{idVendor}=="30c9",SYMLINK+="Webcam" This appears to work: $ ls -l /dev/HDPro lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 Feb 20 19:33 /dev/HDPro -> video3 $ ls -l /dev/Webcam lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 Feb 20 19:32 /dev/Webcam -> video0 However using /dev/HDPro and /dev/Webcam as the devices for Gem doesn't work. Actually whichever one gets /dev/video0 it seems to work. But I have to use /dev/video2 to get the HDPro to work which is strange because it is actually linked to /dev/video3 as shown above. Any idea how I can get udev to work correctly with Cameras and Gem? I'm using pd 0.53.1 and Gem ver: 0.94. "Debian/1:0.94-7" Thanks!

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