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Java Vs. C++
by christian hresko 22 Oct '99

22 Oct '99

okay, in english (hint, hint...) any other opinions on this matter. i deciphered most of the other posts, although i_n_t_e_g_e_r is starting to 'lose' me. (!!) blurb. stack java or c++ c++ or java objects objekts correct, christian -- " there's nothing worse in life than being ordinary "

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Re: kode.!ne
by 09.IWti_wXI.366.48 22 Oct '99

22 Oct '99

wow, l'ultre quick .. > >go away with c++, nobody wants that .. (my body doesnt at least) > >integer go farming jodel .. hahaha ;)) > > zmak. agr!.kultur = futur. ma!z du != kan formulat dze v!z!on. > = agr!kultur + neu + !mprovd korporat barbar!zm. > > = != ver! far 4rom kurntl!. > > = velkom 2 dze koka kola republ!k > korporat zerfz++ > > m!ller puckette = u!l b farm!ng kode > zubz!d!szd b! !ntel > > =cw4t7abs = u!l __... schlumplabs will what? bluib blub dot underscore ... not enough .. still ranting which is very oke. ;) > > >anyhow, do some java, its gonna do good ...... > > java <=> tekkno ui. ;) > > >and yes, (try) kepp it REUSABLE, thanks > >(its hard enough, i cant even reuse my own code, ;) (no matter what > >lqanguage) > >(am i doing some "wrong", (very) probably(?)) > > objekt or!entd program!ng = baszd on pr!nz!plz ov raz!zm > human !ntel!gensz = baszd on pr!nsz!plsz ov raz!m auss!. pfffff. as is objekt orient progging, but human intelli genze ... hm .... you implying other than middle aged white male != human != intelligent ????? oder konzept of "human" + "intelligence" just ultra white middle aged male vestern sort of invention? > tzo az ma! b obzervd dze futur = !mprovd raz!m + agr!+kultur > ma!z du = 1 ultra gluckl!ch veztrn male 2 4mulat ncezt paz > > >all the experiences i ve with java so far, its only related to speed , but > >not in any way to quality of code bound to by the way of the language .. > >its also ultra advantage = networkability .. which is in some way (or the > >other) rpobly > >part of the the future .. (*giggle*) > >but still, have you heard of perl? ;)) > > perl <=> kom!k bookz hensz mozt apropr!at 4 (*giggle*)b!t veztrnz malez ou! komik ... ah oui ... a point to start from. matter fo style. no matter what, you gonna b fu*t + its thw rong way 2 do it. > >you can still do java stuff which leaves you thinking longer than it takes > >the program to run, so much as for speed ,, sorry for gettgin esoteric .. yi . iy

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Toys for Irix or Source?
by Michael A. Thompson 22 Oct '99

22 Oct '99

Just wondering if there will be a toys irix version or if the source will be posted on the web. I downloaded the linux version but it doesnt have any source code with it.... michael -- ---------------------------------- Michael A. Thompson [IRIX - NeXTStep - Linux - MacOS - Windows] Home: (940)382-2086 E-Mail: mat0001(a)jove.acs.unt.edu ----------------------------------

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Coding
by christian hresko 22 Oct '99

22 Oct '99

have a very quick question that isn't exactly pd related, but any feedback would be greatly appreciated. i'm doing an interdisciplinary study (B.S.) in Sound Synthesis and DSP and am debating what comp sci classes i should take. is java useful for any synthesis / realtime applications or should i stick with C++? (i know java has a higher latency, but the object oriented code isn't machine proprietary... instant porting) that's all. thanks, christian -- " there's nothing worse in life than being ordinary "

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Re: Coding
by Israelbenz＠aol.com 22 Oct '99

22 Oct '99

I was talking to some cat last night, and he said something about JavaSynth (spelling?) being really great. I know another person who did a modularized version of CSound using Java resources. My take on the subject is that Java is great for some things, but as I believe someone noted on this list, the Java honeymoon is over. I'm personally a fan of C++. Perhaps a good approach would be to do the guts of your app(s) in portable C++, recompiling as needed for target platforms, and then do the front end in Java. Maybe this will give you the best of both worlds. Ben, Sometimes you can't write a chord ugly enough to say what you want, so you have to rely on a giraffe filled with whipped cream. --Frank Zappa

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by 27.RZR_WTzxb.453.68 17 Oct '99

17 Oct '99

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Re: conjugal symbols
by Israelbenz＠aol.com 15 Oct '99

15 Oct '99

My understanding is that this behavior is not any diferrent then makefilename. For example, a makefilename object declared thus: makefilename foobar%s when "passed" the message 'symbol dog' would output symbol foobardog. Furthermore, unless I'm missing something important, this means that the strcat and makefilename objects provide essentially identical functionality. I'd like to put in my humble request at this time for a single object which provides for the concatenation of some arbitrary number of symbols AND numbers into a single symbol. If I understood Miller's earlier reply, he's already working on this. Ben, Sometimes you can't write a chord ugly enough to say what you want, so you have to rely on a giraffe filled with whipped cream. --Frank Zappa

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ggext 0.10 library-linking problem
by dieter＠rhiz.org 12 Oct '99

12 Oct '99

hi! when i try to compile the new ggexternals i get ld -export_dynamic -shared -o ggext.pd_linux *.o -lstk -lc -lm -lstdc++-3-libc6.1-2-2.10.0 -lpthread ld: cannot open -lstdc++-3-libc6.1-2-2.10.0: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden and when i start pd with -lib ../ggext/ggext i get tried /usr/local/pd/ggext/ggext.pd_linux and succeeded /usr/local/pd/ggext/ggext.pd_linux: /usr/local/pd/ggext/ggext.pd_linux: undefined symbol: __builtin_new /usr/local/pd/ggext/ggext: can't load library what is missing, what is wrong? help, bitte danke DIETER -- ******************************************************************* don't forget to say hello to echelon: abhoermethoden, bombe, cia ,datenklau , echelon, freak, grundrecht, hacking, iridium, joint, kommunismus, lauschangriff, mailbombing, nur in den mund genommen, oecalan, pgp, querulant, rasterfahndung, stoersender, tristero, urheberrechtsverletzung, volksfest, wanze, xenophob, yuan, zukunft *******************************************************************

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Re: conjugal symbols
by Israelbenz＠aol.com 12 Oct '99

12 Oct '99

In a message dated 10/11/1999 6:10:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Iain.Mott(a)cmis.CSIRO.AU writes: << the main difference between strcat and makefilename is that you can't write something like "makefilename $1%s" - although Miller tells me this will soon be possible. Within an abstraction, strcat allows you to place a $1 type argument within it. - i've then been using loadbang connected to a "symbol $2" object to feed the second argument into the "strcat $1". -> problem solved. >> Thanks for the clarification on the distinction between strcat and makefilename. Ben, Sometimes you can't write a chord ugly enough to say what you want, so you have to rely on a giraffe filled with whipped cream. --Frank Zappa

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RE: conjugal symbols
by Iain.Mott＠cmis.CSIRO.AU 12 Oct '99

12 Oct '99

> If this is how makefilename works, then great. I don't think that > strcat will ever go away, since it has been around for over 3 > years now > (I use it in my pieces, in any event), but it would make sense to find > one object which we promote as the "right one". > thanks for the tip about strcat. This works - as long as i use symbols as arguments and not numbers. and this is ok for what i'm doing, so a big relief! the main difference between strcat and makefilename is that you can't write something like "makefilename $1%s" - although Miller tells me this will soon be possible. Within an abstraction, strcat allows you to place a $1 type argument within it. - i've then been using loadbang connected to a "symbol $2" object to feed the second argument into the "strcat $1". -> problem solved. thanks, iain

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