Pd-list October 2021

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Better zoom/scaling in Vanilla?
by Lorenzo Sutton 27 Oct '21

27 Oct '21

Every now and then this reappears on the list... but here goes: will there be a better "zoom" in Pd? Currently working on a higher resolution screen (call it HiDPI or whatever...) implies either the 2x zoom which is typically too much or changing font size which typically breaks existing patches, and does not increase (proportionally) the relative size of IEM guis such as toggles, bangs, etc. Purr Data and Pd-L2Ork do it nicely, but it seems a bit overkill to pull in all imaginable Pd libraries/externals just to have some nice visuals (although being a visual dataflow language, visual clarity _is_ indeed relevant), plus you are forced to curvy chords (which although popular with the most) IMHO break the original Pd aesthetics :-) Ideally vanilla would have a nice zooming / scale factor functionality which doesn't break patch proportions...(e.g. Ardour does it very well) :-) Any tips, tricks or thoughts for this in vanilla would also be interesting. Lorenzo.

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Quick question
by Pierre Alexandre Tremblay 27 Oct '21

27 Oct '21

Hello I’m trying to made a plotter abstraction and I cannot find a way to graph-on-parent a struct - is it just not possible? If not possible, is there a good repo of examples of vanilla-only programmed plotter abstractions that would graph-in-parent like Arrays do? Any pointer (pun intended) welcome p

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How to select portions of list in list boxes with the new pd 0.52 test 1?
by José de Abreu 25 Oct '21

25 Oct '21

Hello list, i'm on ubuntu 20.04.3, just compiled the pd 0.52-0test1 on the help file of the new list box, i read: Double-clicking activates a text editor, so that you can select portions of the contents and/or cut/copy/paste values. sorry if this is simple, but, I couldn't try the "select portions of the contents". when i try to select with the mouse the boxes ignores me (list box start to change the numbers, and symbol boxes just go outside of the "editor") what am i missing? how to do this selection? trying to select only with the keyboard, using shift and arrow keys also doesn't work... but i don't know if they were supposed to work...

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Opencv András GEM
by Csaba Láng 23 Oct '21

23 Oct '21

Dear list, Can I render images into the same GEM window with openCV and gem. I want to use both pix_ objects and openCV at once. Best, Popesz

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Lauching pd -nogui with custom flags.
by Sebastian Lexer 20 Oct '21

20 Oct '21

Quick question, is it possible to add custom flags to customise patches (e.g. using scripting etc.) that can be added when launching PD in a terminal For example: pd -nogui -delay 1500 Where the -delay 1500 could set a maximum delay time etc. Thanks, Sebastian

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Re: [PD] Pd without internationalization?
by Dan Wilcox 13 Oct '21

13 Oct '21

Yes, it's on my list (and IOhannes' as well). It would most likely be something that you change, then have to restart Pd, but that would still be better than editing the distribution or run scripts. I would imagine the setting would be "system locale", then choosing for the list of languages available to force one. > On Oct 13, 2021, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 12:00:57 +0200 > From: "Peter P." <peterparker(a)fastmail.com <mailto:peterparker@fastmail.com>> > To: pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at> > Subject: Re: [PD] Pd without internationalization? > Message-ID: <20211012100057.5o2w2yr35rvdbbit(a)fastmail.com <mailto:20211012100057.5o2w2yr35rvdbbit@fastmail.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > * Dan Wilcox <danomatika(a)gmail.com <mailto:danomatika@gmail.com>> [2021-10-12 11:54]: > [...] >> Quicker, but perhaps a worse user experience, especially when they update. > Good point! But still it would require distributing the script everytime > Pd is newly installed on a computer. Thanks for your detailed > description on how to do it. I think the best thing would be a > preference setting, as IOhannes pointed out. > > cheers, P -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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Re: [PD] Pd without internationalization?
by Dan Wilcox 12 Oct '21

12 Oct '21

> On Oct 12, 2021, at 11:15 AM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at> wrote: > > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 11:14:50 +0200 > From: "Peter P." <peterparker(a)fastmail.com <mailto:peterparker@fastmail.com>> > To: pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at> > Subject: Re: [PD] Pd without internationalization? > Message-ID: <20211012091450.wjpam6vxgxz3unyw(a)fastmail.com <mailto:20211012091450.wjpam6vxgxz3unyw@fastmail.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > * Dan Wilcox <danomatika(a)gmail.com <mailto:danomatika@gmail.com>> [2021-10-12 11:06]: > [...] >>> Thanks! Whenever I am teaching people entirely new to Pd, who often have >>> their OSes set to different languages, the different menu entries cause >>> puzzled faces. >> >> Ha and the opposite is also true, especially in non-English teaching environments. Just goes to show there is no optimal choice ex pet providing more choice, I suppose. > Thanks for reminding us Dan! It makes me wonder how much english users > need to know to use Pd. After all the object names, help patches, etc. > is all english. There is some discussion on how to add support for loading localized help patches for instance. https://github.com/pure-data/pddp/issues/3 <https://github.com/pure-data/pddp/issues/3> One thing to standardize, for instance, would be certain terms such as "array", "symbol", "number", "bang" etc as Pd-specific technical terms. I think this would help across languages when teaching. > [...] >> The current system integrates with the system locale setting so the idea is whatever the user is already using is also picked up by Pd. For most apps this is preferred. For some reason, it never seems to be good for most people in Pd land, possibly since the translations have not always been fully covered, etc. >> >> In any case, you can currently set the locale when starting Pd on the commandline over via start script or Windows batch file. See the info in the po/README.txt: >> >> https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/po/README.txt#L44 <https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/po/README.txt#L44><https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/po/README.txt#L44 <https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/po/README.txt#L44>> >> >> This does not require editing the installed Pd folder structure and you can simply provide a set of scripts the students can double-click to force the en locale. > Thanks for pointing this out to me! For now it is quicker to have them > delete the po folder rather than having to package Pd for three OSes > with a custom script or asking them to modify one. Quicker, but perhaps a worse user experience, especially when they update. No modification of the Pd package or .app bundle is required. Just have a script they can place on their system and run, that's it. For macOS, the script just needs to find the latest Pd in the /Applications folder or wherever the .app bundles are placed. For Windows, the .bat file can simply be added to the Pd folder and double-clicked. For Linux, a start script can be placed anywhere since it calls "pd" on the command line. The install process would be: 1. Go to pure-data.info <http://pure-data.info/> and download the latest vanilla 2. Download a .zip from my class website which has a script for macOS, a script for Linux, and a batch file for Windows 3. Place the script/batch file in the needed location 4. Double-click to run in English Repeat steps 1 (& 3 for windows) when upgrading. I see "add an extra script" more positive than "delete the translation files in the distribution." :) Here is a zip with some basic scripts I whipped up you can try: startpd_en.zip <http://docs.danomatika.com/pdbuilds/other/startpd_en.zip> (Not fully tested on all platforms.) -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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Re: [PD] Pd without internationalization?
by Dan Wilcox 12 Oct '21

12 Oct '21

> On Oct 11, 2021, at 10:51 PM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 22:51:31 +0200 > From: "Peter P." <peterparker(a)fastmail.com <mailto:peterparker@fastmail.com>> > To: pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at> > Subject: Re: [PD] Pd without internationalization? > Message-ID: <20211011205131.xtl6tqydubbll2ln(a)fastmail.com <mailto:20211011205131.xtl6tqydubbll2ln@fastmail.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > * IOhannes m zm?lnig <zmoelnig(a)iem.at <mailto:zmoelnig@iem.at>> [2021-10-11 18:23]: >> Am 11. Oktober 2021 16:31:47 MESZ schrieb "Peter P." <peterparker(a)fastmail.com <mailto:peterparker@fastmail.com>>: >>> Hi, >>> >>> can I just remove all .msg translation files from Pd's po/ folder and >>> to have it only use english on both OS X and Windows? >> >> Yes. (or just remove the entire po/ folder) > Thanks! Whenever I am teaching people entirely new to Pd, who often have > their OSes set to different languages, the different menu entries cause > puzzled faces. Ha and the opposite is also true, especially in non-English teaching environments. Just goes to show there is no optimal choice ex pet providing more choice, I suppose. >> Btw, on Debian you can just not-install (or uninstall) the puredata-gui-I10n package. >> >> >> I was thinking about adding a GUI-preference that would allow you to disable i10n and/or pick another language. >> >> It's not high on my priority list though, and I (think I) never came around actually implementing it... > Here you have an exemplary case and someone who would be very happy to see > such a feature implemented. The current system integrates with the system locale setting so the idea is whatever the user is already using is also picked up by Pd. For most apps this is preferred. For some reason, it never seems to be good for most people in Pd land, possibly since the translations have not always been fully covered, etc. In any case, you can currently set the locale when starting Pd on the commandline over via start script or Windows batch file. See the info in the po/README.txt: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/po/README.txt#L44 <https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/po/README.txt#L44> This does not require editing the installed Pd folder structure and you can simply provide a set of scripts the students can double-click to force the en locale. Further down in the readme is info on how to edit the current translations. If any of your students are interested, I'd encourage them to help fix translations which need some work. :) -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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Pd without internationalization?
by Peter P. 11 Oct '21

11 Oct '21

Hi, can I just remove all .msg translation files from Pd's po/ folder and to have it only use english on both OS X and Windows? Thanks! P

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list of Pd forks?
by Alexandre Torres Porres 11 Oct '21

11 Oct '21

hi folks, I'm writing a text about Pd's history and I want to get things right. I'm mentioning Pd forks and woulldn't like to miss any, but then some might be not worth mentioning? I don't, here's what I know and have - DesireData - Pd Extended (and its further forks Pd-l2ork/Purr Data) - Pd Ceammc - Pd next - Spaghettis That's it, right? Did I miss something? thanks

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