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open sc within pd? (was Re: How's Max MSP limited? was Re: How's Pd limited?)
by Alexandre Torres Porres 25 Feb '16

25 Feb '16

So, this is like the [csoundapi~] object or something? anybody used it already? it just hit me that this could and should be happening by now cheers 2016-02-25 6:32 GMT-03:00 Peter P. <peterparker(a)fastmail.com>: > * Alexandre Torres Porres <porres(a)gmail.com> [2016-02-25 05:40]: > > > I also fantasize about cloning and stealing SC's very nice set of > objects and > > bring them to Pd. > > https://sourceforge.net/p/pure-data/svn/HEAD/tree/trunk/externals/supercoll… > https://sourceforge.net/p/pure-data/svn/HEAD/tree/trunk/externals/tb/sc4pd/ > "sc4pd is a port of some SuperCollider UGens to PD objects." >

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How's Pd limited?
by Matti Viljamaa 25 Feb '16

25 Feb '16

Perhaps a bit of broad question, but I find it interesting in order to speculate about future additions. How do you think Pure Data is limited?

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[PD-announce] [MOCO] Deadline extension for MOCO'16: Call for Papers & Call for Demos
by Sotiris Manitsaris 25 Feb '16

25 Feb '16

*Call for Papers & Call for Demos* Submission deadline for Papers & Demos extension: *1 March 2016 (5:00pm GMT+2)* http://moco16.movementcomputing.org/index.php/papers/authors ======================================= *International Workshop on Movement and Computing (MOCO'16)* July 5-6 2016, Thessaloniki, Greece MINES ParisTech, France Paris 8 University, France University of Macedonia, Greece Aristotle University of Thessaloniki, Greece http://moco16.movementcomputing.org/ Following on from the two previous successes of the International Workshop on Movement and Computing (MOCO’14) at IRCAM (Paris, France) in 2014, as well as MOCO’15 at Simon Fraser University (Vancouver, Canada) in 2015, we are pleased to announce MOCO'16, which will be hosted in Thessaloniki, Greece. MOCO'16 will be organized by MINES ParisTech, (France) in co-operation with the Paris 8 University (France), the University of Macedonia, Thessaloniki (Greece) and Aristotle University of Thessaloniki (Greece). The vision of MOCO'16 is to bring together academics, researchers, engineers, designers, technologists, technocrats, creative artists, anthropologists, museologists, ergonomists and other practitioners interested in the phenomenon of the symbiosis between the human and the creative process, e.g. dancer-digital medias, musician-instrument, craftsman-object etc. This symbiosis takes the form of an interactional and gravitational relationship, where the human element is both a trigger and a transmitter, connecting perception (mind/environment interaction and cognition), knowledge (theoretical understanding of a process) and gesture (semantic motor skills). MOCO'16 invites researchers that have experiences of capturing the combined key elements of perception, knowledge and gesture/movement. MOCO'16 will be of interest to artists who work on the elucidation of the intersection between art, meaning cognition and technology by unlocking the hidden components in human creativity. The workshop also provides a forum for industrial partners, for whom the movement and gestures of the workers/operators consist of key elements in terms of ergonomics and health, to see and present state-of-the-art technologies. A key feature of the MOCO'16 Workshop will be to open some of its demonstrations and artistic activities to the public-at-large in order to provide this extended audience with the opportunity to be informed about current scientific issues and topics by experts in an informal setting. *Suggested Topics* ======================================= * Movement in Digital and Performing Arts, which focus on the use and interaction between arts and movement in the following domains: music, dance, song, graffiti, painting etc.. * Technical and Craftsmanship Gestures, highlighting the importance of gestures in the professional context, whether technical or cultural. * Interaction, Communication and Design of User Experience, which put the emphasis on gestures and movement as interfaces between humans and machines. * Analysis and Modelling, centred on the use of mathematical, statistical or methodological tools for a better understanding of gestures and movement. These topics overlap and are in no way exhaustive, so we also welcome contributions focusing on other areas, with titles which might include any of the following keywords: * Finger-based interaction * Embodied and whole body interaction design * Professional movement and gesture * Movement analysis and analytics * Movement expression in avatar, artificial agents, virtual humans or robots * Sonification and visualization of movement and gesture * Modeling movement, gesture and expressivity * Sensori-motor learning with audio-visual feedback * Motion-driven narrative * Dance and technology * Movement representation * Embodiment and embodied cognition * Mediated choreography * Mechatronics and creative robotics * Movement in affective computing * Music and movement * Somatic practice and design * Dance and neuroscience * Vocal tract movements in singing voice * Design for movement in digital art * Movement computation in ergonomics, sports, and health *Participation in the workshop* ======================================= The workshop is an opportunity to present a research or study or details of collaborative work. Participants will have the opportunity to offer a presentation of the results of their research on one of the themes of the workshop and to interact with their scientific/ artistic peers, in a friendly and constructive environment. If you are interested in offering an oral presentation of your work, please submit a paper and/or a demo and/or a poster. *Submission* ======================================= The submission categories are: * Long paper with oral presentation (8 pages maximum) * Research note with oral presentation (4 pages maximum) * Extended abstracts with poster presentation (2 pages maximum) * Demonstration (one of the above papers (2 pages minimum + Demo proposal form). All submissions should be in pdf format and should use the MOCO’16 template – adapted from ACM SIGCHI template http://moco16.movementcomputing.org/index.php/papers/authors It is possible for participating authors to submit a demonstration proposal in addition to their regular paper submission by completing the Demo proposal form and sending it along with their submission. Together with the demo proposal form, authors have to provide a link to a video about their work. The demo proposal form is mandatory for all demo submissions and must include details about technical set-up and space requirements. Online submission: All submissions must be made through the Open Conference System (OCS) All submissions must be anonymous and will be peer-reviewed. The MOCO proceedings will be indexed and published in the ACM digital library. *Important Dates* ======================================= Submission deadline for Papers & Demos extension : *1 March 2016 (5:00pm GMT+2)* Notification: 20th April 2016 Early bird registration: 30th May 2016 Early program: 10th June 2016 *Venue* ======================================= University of Macedonia 156 Egnatia Street, GR-546 36 Thessaloniki, Greece and Aristotle University Research Dissemination Center 3rd September Avenue, GR-546 36 Thessaloniki, Greece *MOCO Steering Committee* ======================================= * Thecla Schiphorst, SIAT, SFU, Vancouver, Canada * Philippe Pasquier, SIAT, SFU, Vancouver, Canada * Sarah Fdili Alaoui, UPSud, INRIA, Ex-SITU, Orsay, France * Frederic Bevilacqua, Ircam, Paris, France * Jules Françoise, SIAT, SFU, Vancouver, Canada Contact email: moco-share(a)sfu.ca *MOCO'16 Organizing Committee* ======================================= * Sotiris Manitsaris, General Conference Chair, MINES ParisTech, Paris, France * Leontios Hadjileontiadis, General Scientific Chair, Aristotle University of Thessaloniki, Greece * Jean-François Jégo, General Artistic Chair, Paris 8 University, France * Vincent Meyrueis, General Demo Chair, Paris 8 University, France * Athanasios Manitsaris, Local Committee Chair, University of Macedonia, Thessaloniki, Greece Contact email: moco16(a)uom.edu.gr Cordialement | Regards | Με τιμή, Dr. Sotiris *Manitsaris* Senior Researcher | Research Project Leader Centre for Robotics | MINES ParisTech | PSL Research University A : 60, boulevard Saint Michel | 75272 Paris cedex 06 | France T : +33 01 40 51 91 69 | M : sotiris.manitsaris(a)mines-paristech.fr W : LinkedIn <https://fr.linkedin.com/in/sotirismanitsaris> <http://moco16.multimedia.uom.gr> — Participate at MOCO’16 <http://moco16.movementcomputing.org/> 3rd International Workshop on Movement and Computing 5-6 July 2016 | Thessaloniki | Greece The CfP <http://moco16.movementcomputing.org/index.php/papers/call-for-papers> is now open! _______________________________________________ Pd-announce mailing list Pd-announce(a)lists.iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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-path subfolders ?...
by oliver 25 Feb '16

25 Feb '16

hi, dear list ! a practical question: is there a way to make pd look into subfolders of a given search path ? thanks oliver -- \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ /////////////// http://pendler.klingt.org ////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ http://oliver.klingt.org \\\\\\\\\\\\\\ //////////////////////////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\ LIVE-BUILDER (music improvisation tool): \\\\\\ ////////////// http://tinyurl.com/qaohv35 ////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

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Re: [PD] Introducing GemmaLib
by Zack Lee 25 Feb '16

25 Feb '16

Nice Christof :) And thanks again! Glad you like the installer. Yeah, openFrameworks is great indeed :) 2016-02-24 15:29 GMT+01:00 Christof Ressi <christof.ressi(a)gmx.at>: > Very nice. By the way, I managed to unlock "Installer.pd" and have a look > inside ;-). Very inspiring. > > Actually, when I saw the GUI, I aksed myself "Is it GEM? But you can't > have GEM in a mobile app... Maybe it's OpenFrameworks?". Funny to hear it's > actually both. > I started using OF some months ago and it's such a great library. > > > > > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. Februar 2016 um 14:47 Uhr > Von: "Zack Lee" <cuinjune(a)gmail.com> > An: "Christof Ressi" <christof.ressi(a)gmx.at> > Cc: pd-list(a)lists.iem.at > Betreff: Re: [PD] Introducing GemmaLib > > Thank you for your interest Christof. > > Here are the answers to your questions. > > 1) GemmaLib uses ‘GEM’(Graphics Environment for Multimedia) to easily > design a graphical interface of an app on the desktop platform by taking > the advantage of its real-time programming environment and flexibility. > > Since it’s currently not possible to use‘GEM’ on mobile platforms, the > abstractions that contain ‘GEM’ externals will be replaced by pure vanilla > abstractions which simply forward the drawing info (e.g shape, size, color) > to ‘openFrameworks’(ofxPd) when a patch runs on the mobile device through > the Gemma app. > > 2) Yes, I created the auto completion for Pd. It's an abstraction made > with dynamic patching and keyboard detection. As far as I've tested It > shouldn't be buggy at all. I hope you like it. :) > > Best wishes, > Zack > > > > > 2016-02-24 13:12 GMT+01:00 Christof Ressi <christof.ressi(a)gmx.at>:Thanks > for sharing, great work! I hope it gets the attention it deserves. > > Personally I'm interested in two things: > > 1) What language/framework did you use for the GUI part? > 2) Did you create the fancy auto completion for Pd or is that an already > existing plug-in (I once found a plug-in a some years ago but it was quite > buggy) > > Christof > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 23. Februar 2016 um 17:13 Uhr > Von: "Zack Lee" <cuinjune@gmail.com[cuinjune@gmail.com]> > An: pd-list@lists.iem.at[pd-list@lists.iem.at], pd-dev(a)lists.iem.at[ > pd-dev(a)lists.iem.at], pd-announce@lists.iem.at[pd-announce@lists.iem.at] > Betreff: [PD] Introducing GemmaLib > > Hi guys, > > I'm Zack and I would like to share the release of GemmaLib with you. > > I've been working on GemmaLib for quite a while now and I'm happy to > finally share it with you. > > GemmaLib is a set of Pd abstractions that allows you to easily create > high-quality musical apps that run on mobile devices through the Gemma app > (currently available on iOS). Feel free to check out this YouTube video to > learn more: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvPFKOkDOfo[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v… > > You can get GemmaLib via > http://www.iceblinkdigital.com/developers/[http://www.iceblinkdigital.com/d… or > via > https://github.com/iceblinkdigital/GemmaLib-1.0.1[https://github.com/icebli… > > I'm looking forward to hearing your feedback! > Zack > _______________________________________________ Pd-list(a)lists.iem.at[ > Pd-list(a)lists.iem.at] mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list[http://lists.puredata.info/list… >

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some notes for cyclone devs / maintainers
by katja 24 Feb '16

24 Feb '16

Independent from the question who will contribute to cyclone in the future and whose repository will be considered upstream I'd like to share a few practical remarks on the build systems. In the old days I would have sent this to pd-dev list but that may not be seen by everyone involved now. A conversation can be redirected later. Just like a library of books is more than a shelf with someone's favorites, cyclone is more than a collection of Pd classes. For the user it serves as a bridge between Pd and MaxMSP, but under the hood it has consistency too, in the form of a specific framework. Pd users don't need to know about hammer, sickle etc. as an interface to Pd, but cyclone maintainers can't ignore it. When Fred Jan started fixing bugs in cyclone, the code was embedded in the programming structure of miXed, together with other libraries and the shared framework. I got involved a bit later, with the self-imposed task to develop a generalized build method for Pd libraries that could support a complex source tree layout like cyclone's. Since other libraries in miXed were essentially unmaintained, with the exception of pddp which was forked inside Pd-X's source tree earlier, I figured that cyclone's chances for future maintenance would be best if it could be compiled with a build system not relying on Pd-X or miXed as a set of libraries. Cyclone's build system had over the years grown into an impenetrable web of makefiles in miXed and Pd-X's library root dir. In the time when Krzysztof Czaja started miXed, gnu make wasn't so '''advanced''' as nowadays and he used some nifty tricks to design an expandable build system, which in the end wasn't so expandable because no one else could understand the tricks. Today we have slightly more options for meta programming in gnu make, notably the 'eval' function. The newly developed build method for cyclone uses Makefile.pdlibbuilder, a generalized helper makefile for Pd libraries big or small. Of course this helper makefile uses nifty tricks too which aren't understood by everyone. But the calling library makefile is transparent. And easily expandable. An early version of the new build method was committed to SVN. When IOhannes facilitated decentralization of Pd-extended with svn>git conversion for all libraries, Fred Jan took cyclone to github for continued maintenance. Technically speaking it is a fork, and effectively it got split off from miXed. We've been considerate with the structure and underlying framework though, conserving as many pieces of the puzzle as could be put together. Fred Jan reanimated a part of cyclone that was lost to oblivion for a some years (nettles). The makefile gives insight how class files per category relate to dependencies in hammer, sickle etc. Of course it is technically possible to add new classes which don't use the framework functions. There are suggestions to start a new library for new classes which follow a different code structure. Indeed a split between classes using the framework and classes not using it could simplify development. You can have independent repositories, test / release cycles, and support. Cloning MaxMSP is ambitious enough to justify division into sub projects. However if the outcome of the discussion is that all must go in one cyclone lib, you could at least organize source tree and build system in such a way that dependencies between categories of classes and underlying framework remain transparent. The build system could be split according to categories of classes so devs can work in relative isolation inbetween releases. I'm not planning to participate in cyclone development myself, since Makefile.pdlibbuilder is a big enough project for me to maintain, apart from my personal Pd work. It is now unknown if cyclone will be maintained as an individual library in its own repository or in a larger context like Pd-L2Ork where it is still embedded in miXed. In any case, here's my recommendation: make use of the new build approach, because dealing with the old kludge of build scripts in miXed won't make you happy in the long run. Katja

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Re: [PD] Pd-list Digest, Vol 131, Issue 154
by Dan Wilcox 24 Feb '16

24 Feb '16

That would be good info to have, especially now that there has been a growing discussion around pd supporting multiple instances for libpd VST/AudioUnit use. We have the prelim work that Miller has done in this area but there are still related issues. -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <https://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/> > On Feb 24, 2016, at 1:39 PM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > > From: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika(a)yahoo.com <mailto:jancsika@yahoo.com>> > Subject: Re: [PD] Parallel Audio Processing (Was: How's Pd limited?) > Date: February 24, 2016 at 1:39:01 PM MST > To: nicolas bouillot <nicolas.bouillot(a)gmail.com <mailto:nicolas.bouillot@gmail.com>>, David Medine <dmedine(a)ucsd.edu <mailto:dmedine@ucsd.edu>> > Cc: "pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>" <pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>> > Reply-To: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika(a)yahoo.com <mailto:jancsika@yahoo.com>> > > > > a possible source of inspiration: "supernova a scalable parallel audio synthesis server for SuperCollider". It works great. > > He actually started with a Pd-like system called "Nova", and commented on the bug tracker awhile back about making Pd thread-safe. > He also worked on a development branch of Pd-extended, but I don't see much documentation about how that ended up. > > -Jonathan

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Re: [PD] some notes for cyclone devs / maintainers
by Samuel Burt 24 Feb '16

24 Feb '16

I just wanted to take a moment to thank the past, present, and future developers of cyclone (and all the other great libraries I use). I tried out MaxMSP back around 2000 and was lucky to find a collaborator who was working with Pure Data. I have never really tried to make compatible patches between the two and rarely worked with Max since. However, I have used cyclone quite frequently because some of the objects have been crucially important to my work over the years. (svf~ ftw!) Whatever the future of cyclone is, your work has been and will be important.

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Re: [PD] Introducing GemmaLib
by Dan Wilcox 24 Feb '16

24 Feb '16

It’s … it’s not a tcl-plugin? O.o -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <https://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/> > On Feb 24, 2016, at 6:48 AM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > 2) Yes, I created the auto completion for Pd. It's an abstraction made with dynamic patching and keyboard detection. As far as I've tested It shouldn't be buggy at all. I hope you like it. :)

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Re: [PD] Introducing GemmaLib
by Christof Ressi 24 Feb '16

24 Feb '16

Very nice. By the way, I managed to unlock "Installer.pd" and have a look inside ;-). Very inspiring. Actually, when I saw the GUI, I aksed myself "Is it GEM? But you can't have GEM in a mobile app... Maybe it's OpenFrameworks?". Funny to hear it's actually both. I started using OF some months ago and it's such a great library. Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. Februar 2016 um 14:47 Uhr Von: "Zack Lee" <cuinjune(a)gmail.com> An: "Christof Ressi" <christof.ressi(a)gmx.at> Cc: pd-list(a)lists.iem.at Betreff: Re: [PD] Introducing GemmaLib Thank you for your interest Christof. Here are the answers to your questions. 1) GemmaLib uses ‘GEM’(Graphics Environment for Multimedia) to easily design a graphical interface of an app on the desktop platform by taking the advantage of its real-time programming environment and flexibility. Since it’s currently not possible to use‘GEM’ on mobile platforms, the abstractions that contain ‘GEM’ externals will be replaced by pure vanilla abstractions which simply forward the drawing info (e.g shape, size, color) to ‘openFrameworks’(ofxPd) when a patch runs on the mobile device through the Gemma app. 2) Yes, I created the auto completion for Pd. It's an abstraction made with dynamic patching and keyboard detection. As far as I've tested It shouldn't be buggy at all. I hope you like it. :) Best wishes, Zack 2016-02-24 13:12 GMT+01:00 Christof Ressi <christof.ressi(a)gmx.at>:Thanks for sharing, great work! I hope it gets the attention it deserves. Personally I'm interested in two things: 1) What language/framework did you use for the GUI part? 2) Did you create the fancy auto completion for Pd or is that an already existing plug-in (I once found a plug-in a some years ago but it was quite buggy) Christof Gesendet: Dienstag, 23. Februar 2016 um 17:13 Uhr Von: "Zack Lee" <cuinjune@gmail.com[cuinjune@gmail.com]> An: pd-list@lists.iem.at[pd-list@lists.iem.at], pd-dev@lists.iem.at[pd-dev@lists.iem.at], pd-announce@lists.iem.at[pd-announce@lists.iem.at] Betreff: [PD] Introducing GemmaLib Hi guys, I'm Zack and I would like to share the release of GemmaLib with you. I've been working on GemmaLib for quite a while now and I'm happy to finally share it with you. GemmaLib is a set of Pd abstractions that allows you to easily create high-quality musical apps that run on mobile devices through the Gemma app (currently available on iOS). Feel free to check out this YouTube video to learn more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvPFKOkDOfo[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v… You can get GemmaLib via http://www.iceblinkdigital.com/developers/[http://www.iceblinkdigital.com/d… or via https://github.com/iceblinkdigital/GemmaLib-1.0.1[https://github.com/icebli… I'm looking forward to hearing your feedback! Zack _______________________________________________ Pd-list@lists.iem.at[Pd-list@lists.iem.at] mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list[http://lists.puredata.info/list…

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