Pd-list January 2016

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pd-l2ork can't grab multiple audio outputs
by Jonghyun Kim 20 Jan '16

20 Jan '16

hi list, in pd-l2ork ver. 20151130 i can't use multiple outputs. i have 8 in 8 out audio interface, and it routes with jack. it works well with other applications, but only pd-l2ork can't grab this. differing from this, in pd 0.46-7 multiple output works as dac 5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12 and 1, 2 are same as 5, 6. how can i use multiple output in pd-l2ork? thanks, jonghyun

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Re: [PD] Bluetooth button control
by Dan Wilcox 20 Jan '16

20 Jan '16

If the button appears as a keybaord and sends key events, you cna use [key]. Otherwise, I’d write a script (in python maybe) that would read the button using something like the bluez library and forward events to pd using a network socket. -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <https://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/> > On Jan 19, 2016, at 5:09 PM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > From: <schafferdavid(a)hotmail.com <mailto:schafferdavid@hotmail.com>> > Subject: [PD] Bluetooth button control > Date: January 19, 2016 at 3:11:34 PM MST > To: "pd-list(a)iem.at <mailto:pd-list@iem.at> List" <pd-list(a)iem.at <mailto:pd-list@iem.at>> > > > Hi, I'd like to know if anyone out there has ever used a Bluetooth button to remotely control pd. I would like to use several of those on a theatre set to trigger individual sounds. > Thank you. > > D.S >

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Re: [PD] pd for c.h.i.p
by Peter Nyboer 20 Jan '16

20 Jan '16

Yes, I'm using it. Here’s an example I cooked up https://www.hackster.io/11802/c-h-i-p-midi-arpeggiating-synth-e311ab <https://www.hackster.io/11802/c-h-i-p-midi-arpeggiating-synth-e311ab> I’ve also had the unique privilege of putting a variation of this synth on 8 CHIPs and using a 9th to act as a wifi access point and MIDI-to-OSC translator for a Livid DS1. Don’t mean to gloat: I just wanting to let you know what’s possible. The patch in that post uses about 25% CPU on CHIP (about 8% on my 2010 MBP). I have tried building PD from scratch on CHIP using Miller’s source, but it didn’t seem to benefit much over just using what was in the repo. Peter > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 15:41:11 -0500 > From: "me.grimm" <megrimm(a)gmail.com> > To: Alexandre Torres Porres <porres(a)gmail.com> > Cc: "pd-list(a)lists.iem.at" <pd-list(a)lists.iem.at> > Subject: Re: [PD] pd for c.h.i.p. > Message-ID: > <CACE5Q16f=p0L_Hi+wrXAZ+z5b+aLqRiYFHt6Ln1kSLAk1WYPqQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > the audio input looks awesome: > http://docs.getchip.com/#microphone-and-audio-input > > just "scrape and slice" and "solder blob" > > :) > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres <porres(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I was getting it today, but it turned out that the 9$ board was overtaxed >> in customs to a total of 160 brazilian reais (that's about 40$ tax on a 9$ >> thing, yeah...) so I'm asking them nicely to please not screw me that much >> and so hard and revise the price I have to pay... it might be another month >> or so 'til I see the end of this :) wish me luck >> >> in the meantime, I'd love to hear if anyone else is having fun with it and >> Pd >> >> cheers >> >> 2016-01-19 17:49 GMT-02:00 katja <katjavetter(a)gmail.com>: >> >>> Congratulations, if you get it today. The kickstarter blog doesn't >>> provide technical info. Better look here: >>> >>> http://docs.getchip.com/#introduction >>> >>> It says that CHIP runs a Debian system. You can install package >>> puredata through Synaptic (is pre-installed), or through command >>> apt-get. I bet it's also possible to use Miller's RPi builds. >>> >>> If you install puredata from repository (Synaptic, apt-get) you could >>> disable recommended dependencies, being GEM in this case, which will >>> not work on CHIP anyway. >>> >>> Keep us updated! >>> >>> Katja >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 7:04 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres >>> <porres(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> hi, I'm getting my c.h.i.p. in the mail today, anybody else is checking >>> this >>>> new board? >>>> >>>> >>> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1598272670/chip-the-worlds-first-9-com… >>>> >>>> My greatest interest is, of course, installing Pd in it, I wonder if >>> anyone >>>> else is compiling Pd for it and if there are plans to offer a compiled >>>> version for its system >>>> >>>> thanks >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pd-list(a)lists.iem.at mailing list >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pd-list(a)lists.iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >> > > > -- > ____________________ > m.e.grimm, m.f.a, ed.m. > syracuse u., tc3 > megrimm.net > ____________________ >

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Re: [PD] closebang and initbang in Vanilla
by Liam Goodacre 20 Jan '16

20 Jan '16

I'm more interested in stopping the loadbang than starting it. If you have a patch that dynamically creates itself (or worse deletes itself) when loaded, it is very useful to be able to inspect the patch without the the process starting. Initbang provides this because it bangs only when the patch is loaded as an abstraction, not when the patch is opened. > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 09:41:41 +0100 > From: Jack <jack(a)rybn.org> > To: pd-list(a)lists.iem.at > Subject: Re: [PD] closebang and initbang in Vanilla > Message-ID: <56936AC5.6030301(a)rybn.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hello, > > For dynamic patching, you can : > - import your abstraction in a subpatch > - send the message 'loadbang' to your subpatch > > => all your abstractions with the object 'loadbang' will send a bang > when the message 'loadbang' will be send. > ++ > > Jack > > > > Le 11/01/2016 04:27, Liam Goodacre a écrit : > > So no chance of getting them in Vanilla then? That's annoying, as > > they're both really useful objects. I particularly like [initbang] > > because it bangs only when the patch is loaded as an abstraction, not > > when it is opened. This is really useful for dynamic patching. > > > > > > > >> Message: 3 > >> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 13:31:36 +0000 (UTC) > >> From: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika(a)yahoo.com> > >> To: Roman Haefeli <reduzent(a)gmail.com>, "pd-list(a)lists.iem.at" > >> <pd-list(a)lists.iem.at> > >> Subject: Re: [PD] closebang and initbang in Vanilla > >> Message-ID: > >> <355667468.2920260.1452432696797.JavaMail.yahoo(a)mail.yahoo.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> They are also in Pd-l2ork. > >> > >> > >> On Sunday, January 10, 2016 6:36 AM, Roman Haefeli > > <reduzent(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Sun, 2016-01-10 at 09:52 +0000, Liam Goodacre wrote: > >> > Which libraries are [closebang] and [initbang] in? They don't seem to > >> > load in Vanilla and I can't find the relevant information in the > >> > helpfiles so that I can use [declare]. > >> > >> I'm not totally sure, but I believe those are part of the Pd-extended > >> core and cannot be implemented as externals. That's why you can't find > >> them anywhere but in Pd-extended. > >> > >> Roman > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pd-list(a)lists.iem.at mailing list > >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > >> > >> > >> > >>

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Bluetooth button control
by schafferdavid＠hotmail.com 19 Jan '16

19 Jan '16

Hi, I'd like to know if anyone out there has ever used a Bluetooth button to remotely control pd. I would like to use several of those on a theatre set to trigger individual sounds. Thank you. D.S

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pd for c.h.i.p.
by Alexandre Torres Porres 19 Jan '16

19 Jan '16

hi, I'm getting my c.h.i.p. in the mail today, anybody else is checking this new board? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1598272670/chip-the-worlds-first-9-com… My greatest interest is, of course, installing Pd in it, I wonder if anyone else is compiling Pd for it and if there are plans to offer a compiled version for its system thanks

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flatgui on windows with latest vanilla
by Anton Woldhek 19 Jan '16

19 Jan '16

Hi, I'm trying to load flatgui (i got a copy from pd-extended) with pd-vanilla on windows. I get "flatgui: cannot load library" error. Is anybody else able to load it? I am trying to run: http://www.monologx.com/ecosystem/ with pd vanilla. Thanks! Anton

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MobMuPlat - pd extended, personal pd objects and subfolders
by jma＠jeanmarie-adrien.net 19 Jan '16

19 Jan '16

Hello Daniel Thanks for sharing this, its just THE missing link, bravo, so fluid and easy ! :) Three points 1- Is there a library that could be loaded in pd extended with the osc objects so that it not necessary to launch version 46 which is not the one i use on a daily basis ? 2- Is there a way to organize the files on the iPhone in sub folders, for instance with sound files in a specific sub folder or so, (Unix onion like) and in that case how do you write the paths to reach the files ? 3- Is it possible to call from within a patch a personal object (function like) or do we restrict to sub windows in patches ? Thanks again, its great ! JM

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consolidate backward- and MaxMSP compatibility in Cyclone (was: Purpose of Cyclone)
by katja 18 Jan '16

18 Jan '16

Hello Alexandre, Fred Jan, pd list, It makes me sad to see your earlier productive collaboration on Cyclone stagnating with this dispute about the purpose. Between 2005 - 2015 the purpose of Cyclone has been determined more by what it was than by what it should be, by lack of human resources [1]. With the recent increased effort of testing, fixing and innovation there's an opportunity to redefine intentions and ambitions. Let's try to figure out a generic approach where backward compatibility doesn't conflict with MaxMSP compatibility and innovation, so anyone can contribute to the project according to their skill, interest and ambition. My proposal would be to sacrifice forward compatibility of older versions if needed. Classes which pose the compatibility dilemma may be made to operate in multiple modes. Sometimes this can be achieved by message, and when the number or type of inlets / outlets are concerned (like average~) it can be achieved with creation arguments. Now you have to decide which is the default behavior. With decades worth of Pd patches in mind it seems logical to keep the original Cyclone behavior as default and offer the MaxMSP compatible mode as an alternative. The help patch demonstrates how to use the newly developed mode. A class setup message can advertise it too. There's always this caveat with introducing new message selectors and creation arguments: old versions of the class don't support them so you could still end up with broken patches. But this is less problematic than backward incompatibility. The class help patch must give clear information about the version where new functionality was introduced, and anyone who applies it in a distributed Pd patch can inform the user about version requirements. No spurious malfunctions, but at worst a clear hint to upgrade. You may wonder what is my own involvement with Cyclone. At the moment, none apart from following the discussion. Earlier this year I spent a few months developing Makefile.pdlibbuilder as a generic build system for Pd libs. Replacing the indecipherable build system of Cyclone was the ultimate test case for this work, and it helped speed up Fred Jan's work on the library. I became aware how big a project it really is. It could use the love and care of more people besides Alexandre and Fred Jan. Katja [1]. Cyclone (part of miXed) was unfortunately abandoned by it's original author Krzysztof Czaja after 2005. The ambitions with this wonderful project were then in practice scaled down to fixing bugs in the alpha versions, as illustrated by the commit history of it's SVN repository http://sourceforge.net/p/pure-data/svn/HEAD/tree/trunk/externals/miXed/cycl…. On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 6:26 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres <porres(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > 2015-12-15 16:22 GMT-02:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan(a)xs4all.nl>: >> >> Hi Alexandre, >>>> >>>> Compatibility is limited to a very old version of Max/MSP. >>> >>> >>> That really confused me, as a Max 7 user... >> >> >> Why? If any version of Max/MSP looks like Pd, it is 4.6 (or maybe earlier >> versions, but I don't have access to those...). > > > Because it is not a matter on how it "looks", and Max 7 is still the same > patching environment, it's not like it changed and lost compatibility, hence > I'm using both Max 7 and cyclone and I'm happy about it. > > It's not like Max 7 killed and broke backwards compatibilty with earlier > versions and patches. So we don't have to consider it as having to be tied > to 4.6.. > > Perhaps you mean we'll never be able to come close to what Max 7 is now in > general. But I don't think that was ever possible and the purpose of cyclone > was not to make a clone of the Max/MSP Software. > > I think this is a very serious and sensitive topic, as the purpose of > cyclone is not being really considered in your point of view, and this might > interferes with the purpose, or even kill it... > >>>> >>>> For me this makes backward compatibility more important >>>> than with an obsolete Max/MSP version. > > > If I got it right, you're basically saying: > > - Cyclone should be a copy of an outdated and obsolete Max/MSP version and > we shouldn't care on keeping up with improvements in Max because it is > impossible and only really likely or reasonably possible within the > limitations of max/msp 4.6 as a software. > > - Not caring about the developments in earlier versions of Max, we're stuck > to 4.6, but since it is an obsolete version of Max, we shouldn't care about > being faithful to it either, or Max for that matter. > > Thus, we'd basically lose the idea of having a library of objects compatible > to Max/Msp objects, and we also do not care of the original purpose of it. > Well, that is not a good take on my opinion. > > I agree Cyclone is now (and has always been because of its stage of > development) a copy/clone of an outdated and obsolete Max/MSP version. That > is why I think it's good we'd try to keep it up to date with and care on > keeping up with improvements in Max/Msp objects. > > >>> About [average~], the thing is that was wrong to begin with, it couldn't >>> load max patches in the first place, it should have been signal all >>> along. >> >> >> I agree average~ was wrong all along. But it has been wrong wrong for >> about twelve years. I do not want to invalidate twelve years of patches. >> If you want to copy a Max patch with average~ in Pd, you could use another >> object or an abstraction. PureData is supposed to be a tool to help >> understand DSP technique and make creative sounds. Not to be able to blindly >> copy Max/MSP patches. > > > Again... that WAS the purpose of Cyclone in Pd... to be able to implement > MAx/Msp objects in Pd - and that seems to be completely unregarded by your > development effort in Cyclone. > > Btw, let me post what the purpose of cyclone is still described as in here: > https://puredata.info/downloads/cyclone > > I'll bring some exerpts and highlight a few key words. > > Cyclone: a library of clones of Max/MSP 4.5 objects > > "a library of PureData classes, bringing some level of compatibility between > Max/MSP and Pd environments (...) In its current form, cyclone is mainly for > people using both Max and Pd, and thus wanting to develop cross-platform > patches. > Cyclone also comes handy, somewhat, in the task of importing Max/MSP 4.x > patches into Pd. Do not expect miracles, though, it is usually not an easy > task." > > The project description is outdated, see that importing max patches to Pd > was not a main goal then, and now we could basically forget about it - but > the main point still remains, which is being, first of all; 1) a library of > clones of Max/MSP objects; 2) bringing some level of compatibility between > the platforms; 3) allowing cross platform patches. > >> Indeed, for me backward compatibility more important than Max/MSP >> compatibility. > > > well, we have seemed to open this discussion because of that problem with > the average~ object... it's not really about the object though, it's really > about how you are interfering with the purpose of cyclone, and the action > you're taking is just a reflect on it. > > This is a sensitive issue because you're just killing the purpose of cyclone > to whatever you feel like, which is not clear yet by the way, and that is, > in my opinion, a Fork - you're creating a Cyclone Fork... > > Please be careful with that, and lets discuss if you really want to do that, > and perhaps this list should raise opinions about this. As a cyclone user > (perhaps the only one so far sharing an opinion), I feel really badly about > this. > > But the point I wanna raise is that You do not need to change the purpose of > Cyclone. There's nothing really that should encourage you to hop onboard and > change the course like that. Or is it? We've just touched this discussion > because of a silly object, and I suggested something you could do to avoid > breaking the purpose of cyclone and still maintaining the backwards > compatibility thing if that's important (just create a new/second right > signal outlet that is faithful to the original object). > > If you do that, we don't need to discuss how the purpose is changing, and > there doesn't seem to be any reason why it should. > >> >> Another reason is the limited time I can spend on maintaining cyclone. The >> 4.6 functionality is a useful, but somewhat arbitrary guiding principle. And >> as you observed, most of the missing objects are not that essential... > > > I get the idea that the developers may not keep up with latest developments > in Max/MSP, but that is not a good reason that it Should Not. In fact, it > asks for other people to join in and help with the project and just map what > has been done and still could be essentially done. I've also raised and > reported basically all the last major bugs... > > I have actually been doing that throughly throughout this year in an > extensive research of my own. I'm willing to collaborate. I've mapped a lot > so far, and I ask if my help could be accepted in this project. > > It's not like I have tons of things to do to make cyclone up to the stage of > Max 7.1 - it's just a not that big list of features that have been added to > the objects that I find most relevant and important - average~ being one of > them, since no other object in the Pd world seems to do what it does (it > behaves as very neat and nice average filter). > > >> But enough typing opinions for now, I prefer to do some improvement on >> cyclone objects tonight :-). > > > Well, hope you've made some cool progress, I'm really happy you came up to > help, this is a project that needed attention, but I also think these > opinions are important and I even hoped we had discussed them before. I hope > others in the list could share their thoughts. I'm really concerned here on > the direction this is taking. I hope we can still maintain the main purpose > of cyclone. > > cheers > > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list(a)lists.iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >

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Re: [PD] change object for symbols (vanilla)
by Dan Wilcox 18 Jan '16

18 Jan '16

Yeah. That’s my approach, although I add a route to ignore floats just in case. I don’t think the symbol needs to be unpacked and compared since select is not going to match “abc” with “abd”, etc. -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <https://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/> > On Jan 18, 2016, at 9:24 AM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > From: Roman Haefeli <reduzent(a)gmail.com <mailto:reduzent@gmail.com>> > Subject: Re: [PD] change object for symbols (vanilla) > Date: January 18, 2016 at 5:00:20 AM MST > To: pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at> > > > On Mon, 2016-01-18 at 13:47 +0200, Alexandros Drymonitis wrote: >> I made a [symbol_change] abstraction which you can find here >> https://github.com/alexdrymonitis/miscellaneous_abstractions <https://github.com/alexdrymonitis/miscellaneous_abstractions> > > Couldn't the same be achieved with only two objects? See attachment. > > Roman

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