Pd-list November 2015

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Re: [PD] fexpr~ block limitations - bug
by Dan Wilcox 19 Nov '15

19 Nov '15

You don’t It’s only compiled for OS X, as he said in the original email. You need it compiled for linux ... -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <https://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/> > On Nov 19, 2015, at 10:02 AM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > From: Jonghyun Kim <agitato816(a)gmail.com <mailto:agitato816@gmail.com>> > Date: November 19, 2015 at 10:02:11 AM MST > To: Shahrokh Yadegari <sdy(a)ucsd.edu <mailto:sdy@ucsd.edu>>, "pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>" <pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>> > Subject: Re: [PD] fexpr~ block limitations - bug > > > thanks for your effort! anyway, how to open the "expr~.d_fat" file on linux? > > akntk

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[hdplay~] problem
by achim＠bornhoeft.org 19 Nov '15

19 Nov '15

Hi, I wrote a little wrapper abstraction for [hdplay~] (s. attachment) Working with longer soundfiles I get this error message and the sound is stopped after some time: "soundfiler_read: truncated to 4000000 elements" I there a way to solve this ? Thanks, Achim

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[packOSC] reentrancy problem
by Roman Haefeli 19 Nov '15

19 Nov '15

Hi all I noticed that [packOSC] does not support reentrancy (check attached patch). Many object classes _do_ support reentrancy. At the same time it seems common in other environments not to support reentrancy. I wonder if this is considered bug. If so, I'll file a bug report. Roman

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deken-plugin.tcl on Windows
by Alexandros Drymonitis 18 Nov '15

18 Nov '15

Searched the mail archives but can't get any results. Where should this file go on Windows? Specifically Windows XP. On the GitHub page of deken it says %AppData%\Pd\deken-plugin\ What's %AppData%

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[PD-announce] Pure Data Meeting Berlin this week
by Malte Steiner 18 Nov '15

18 Nov '15

PD Berlin meetings are from now at c-base (Rungestrasse 20 Berlin) every first and third thursday in the month beginning 20:00, the next one is thursday, the 19.November. This time we want to explore midi and OSC programming with PD and jam a bit. Looking forward to it and thanks c-base for hosting us. What we do: The meetings don't replace workshops (which are offered extra ;) ), scope of these meetings can be any (or none) of the following: patch/project showcase programming work on general Pd documentation help for beginners (installation, programming tips, ...) or something else you want to do ... Just come along, bring your laptop and sit down with us. The bar is open during the meetings. Necessary prerequisites are only a computer and good mood. If Pd isn't on it, we'll download and install it. http://puredata.info/community/groups/pd-berlin/pd-berlin-users-group/ We thank c-base for providing the space and network for the meetings. _______________________________________________ Pd-announce mailing list Pd-announce(a)lists.iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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Re: [PD] Needing to build an Android/iOS application.
by Dan Wilcox 17 Nov '15

17 Nov '15

Sounds like you’re going to have to learn *alot* really quickly. There is no *easy way*, especially when you want to distribute things on the various App Stores. I’d recommend partnering with a mobile app developer so you can focus on the PD stuff, otherwise you’ll be spending a long time getting the hang of things before you actually get to do the actual app. Trust me. For something simple, quick, and dirty, I’d highly recommend OpenFrameworks. For platform specific stuff, work with native Android and iOS directly. Both have great frameworks, development environments, documentation, etc. libpd provides project files to build for both. If the core of the work is in the Pd patches themselves and the UI is mainly a thin skin, you could share the same patches and just write the UI natively for both platforms. > Regarding packaging MobMuPlat/PdParty as a standalone application: it is technologically straightforward since they are open source , you'd have to hack a few lines and re-build the app and sign it. The license for MobMuPlat allows it, I'm assuming that PdParty/PdDroidParty does as well but you'd have to check that. See my notes at the very last post here: https://cycling74.com/forums/topic/running-max-map-on-a-tablet/ <https://cycling74.com/forums/topic/running-max-map-on-a-tablet/>. PdParty is about to be updated and hopefully uploaded to the App Store in December. I’d kind of appreciate it if I was the first one to do that … :D > On Nov 16, 2015, at 9:21 AM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > Hi, there. I would appreciate so much your help for me to decide if I will accept a job and how to go on with it. > > I have a customer who needs an Android/iOS app that they will give to his customer who buys them a "device" (this customer of mine is not a multimillonaire company. It's far away from being like that) > > The app would be something like the mockup.png attached and will do something like this: > > First instance: > > - It opens a wav/mp3 (max: 1 hour). > - You will see the soundwave and will can make zoom in/out to be precise (if with gestures, much better). > - You will can play/pause/stop the audio from any place in the timeline. > - You set up to 256 markers/labels in the timeline. > - When you click/tap a marker/label, a new window appears to modify its information (time/color/type/etc). > - It will convert each mark to a 6 bytes group. > - It save/load files with all this markers (in binary). This is all possible. > - It will send this file, by Bluetooth through the serial port, to the "device”. This is not possible. Better to use the built in file access (iTunes File sharing over USB, Android SD card) or a mini webserver people can point a browser or FTP program to. > Second instance: > > - The app will start playing the wav/mp3 file. > - It will send (by Bluetooth) the "start" command to the device. > - (The device starts its timer and already has the sequence file). > - For a perfect syncrhonizing, every second, the app will send the actual time (by Bluetooth). Again, you’re not going to use Bluetooth for this. Or at least you probably *could* but it wouldn’t be as easily done as using something like OSC over a wifi network. > I have several options to do this. I ask you if they are possibles and how difficult are they... and the final decision owns to the customer. My skills are: I know PureData and Python. So: > > Using MobMuPlat (http://mobmuplat.com/ <http://mobmuplat.com/>) > > I know it is not a framework. I would make a PureData patch and the MobMuPlat interface. My customer would tell their customers to download MobMuPlat (Android: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.iglesiaintermedia.mobmupl… <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.iglesiaintermedia.mobmupl…>, iOS: https://itunes.apple.com/ar/app/mobmuplat/id597679399?mt=8 <https://itunes.apple.com/ar/app/mobmuplat/id597679399?mt=8>) and give them the file that I build. > > Pros: > - It's the easiest-way. > - MobMuPlat is already in Google Market and iTunes. > > Contras: > - It is not a standalone app, as they would like. > > Doubt (and it's important): > - Could libpd send messages to serial port? There's [comport], but it is an external. Is it already compiled for Android/iOS? No serial port access. Comport will not work and MobMuPlat would beed to be rebuilt to include it anyway. > Using Kivy (http://kivy.org <http://kivy.org/>) > > This is a more difficult option. It uses Python to make the app. And there's Kivy/audiostream (https://github.com/kivy/audiostream <https://github.com/kivy/audiostream>) that gives the phone a access to the speaker and mic. In its example/ folder, there are puredata examples. Obviously, using libpd. > > Pros: > - I would also make the patch in PureData. > - It would make a standalone app (with own name, splash screen, etc). > - It would works in Android, iOS, Windows, Linux, OSX. > > Contras: > - I've never used Kivy. > - I've never used any framework. > - I've never used libpd. > - I should build almost from scratch an application. > - I should compile for most Android and iOS versions... > - The difficulty of uploading an app to Google Market and iTunes. > I don’t know about this one. You’ll need probably have a harder time setting up libpd to work with it. > Using OpenFrameWorks (http://openframeworks.cc/ <http://openframeworks.cc/>) > > Well... I don't know coding C++. I know that this would be the best framework to do something like this... but it's furthest away from me. There's ofxPd (https://github.com/danomatika/ofxPd <https://github.com/danomatika/ofxPd>). > This will work out of the box for both iOS and Android with the same core code. You just need to use the Project Generator to create different built files for each platform. It’s perfect for simple things but you will *have* to use native code in order to create native GUIS. > Using PdDroidParty and PdParty > > Now, I'm seeing their webpages/githubs. I didn't think in this possibility... Could it become one more? > > Pros: > - Another easiest way. > - It could compile a standalone app (???) > DroidParty supports this. PdParty does not currently. I’ll be working on it in the coming weeks, so we’ll see. > Contras: > - As other frameworks: What about compiling for most Android and iOS versions…? > Good luck on that. It’s *never* easy as APIS change over time. Android is notorious for various device support using the same versions > - Uploading to markets...? > That will be platform specific and relatively detailed, not hard, but will take time. -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <https://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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parse textfile
by Simon Iten 17 Nov '15

17 Nov '15

hi list, i’m trying to parse a textfile and use some numbers as parameters in a patch. unfortunately i can’t change the way the textfile is formatted, since it has to be compatible with another program. the first lines look like this: 0 ; field: 0 poti: 0 ser.no.: 1 0 ; field: 0 poti: 1 ser.no.: 2 0 ; field: 0 poti: 2 ser.no.: 3 127 ; field: 0 poti: 3 ser.no.: 4 0 ; field: 0 poti: 4 ser.no.: 5 22 ; field: 0 poti: 5 ser.no.: 6 76 ; field: 0 poti: 6 ser.no.: 7 0 ; field: 0 poti: 7 ser.no.: 8 127 ; field: 0 poti: 8 ser.no.: 9 0 ; field: 0 poti: 9 ser.no.: 10 0 ; field: 0 poti: 10 ser.no.: 11 32 ; field: 0 poti: 11 ser.no.: 12 0 ; field: 1 poti: 0 ser.no.: 13 17 ; field: 1 poti: 1 ser.no.: 14 0 ; field: 1 poti: 2 ser.no.: 15 0 ; field: 1 poti: 3 ser.no.: 16 0 ; field: 1 poti: 4 ser.no.: 17 0 ; field: 1 poti: 5 ser.no.: 18 1 ; field: 1 poti: 6 ser.no.: 19 0 ; field: 1 poti: 7 ser.no.: 20 64 ; field: 1 poti: 8 ser.no.: 21 0 ; field: 1 poti: 9 ser.no.: 22 0 ; field: 1 poti: 10 ser.no.: 23 0 ; field: 1 poti: 11 ser.no.: 24 0 ; field: 2 poti: 0 ser.no.: 25 -19 ; field: 2 poti: 1 ser.no.: 26 0 ; field: 2 poti: 2 ser.no.: 27 0 ; field: 2 poti: 3 ser.no.: 28 0 ; field: 2 poti: 4 ser.no.: 29 0 ; field: 2 poti: 5 ser.no.: 30 1 ; field: 2 poti: 6 ser.no.: 31 0 ; field: 2 poti: 7 ser.no.: 32 64 ; field: 2 poti: 8 ser.no.: 33 0 ; field: 2 poti: 9 ser.no.: 34 0 ; field: 2 poti: 10 ser.no.: 35 0 ; field: 2 poti: 11 ser.no.: 36 basically i just need the first number of every line since that is the parameter. is there a way to route this based on the ser.no (since that is unique) or can i route the number to a send just by line? (i.e. number from first line goes to [s pitch1] number from 2nd line to [s pitch1_fine]) when i open the file with [read example.txt cr] i get all the parameters on separate lines, since pd starts a new line for all semicolons and all newlines. so if i could just read every second line i would be fine as well. to further complicate things i should also be able to write files in that format… and it should all be in vanilla! is this even doable in pd? attached is an example preset file thanks for any insights and sorry for the questions, i just never really worked with file parsing. simon

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Needing to build an Android/iOS application.
by Mario Mey 17 Nov '15

17 Nov '15

Hi, there. I would appreciate so much your help for me to decide if I will accept a job and how to go on with it. I have a customer who needs an Android/iOS app that they will give to his customer who buys them a "device" (this customer of mine is not a multimillonaire company. It's far away from being like that) The app would be something like the mockup.png attached and will do something like this: First instance: - It opens a wav/mp3 (max: 1 hour). - You will see the soundwave and will can make zoom in/out to be precise (if with gestures, much better). - You will can play/pause/stop the audio from any place in the timeline. - You set up to 256 markers/labels in the timeline. - When you click/tap a marker/label, a new window appears to modify its information (time/color/type/etc). - It will convert each mark to a 6 bytes group. - It save/load files with all this markers (in binary). - It will send this file, by Bluetooth through the serial port, to the "device". Second instance: - The app will start playing the wav/mp3 file. - It will send (by Bluetooth) the "start" command to the device. - (The device starts its timer and already has the sequence file). - For a perfect syncrhonizing, every second, the app will send the actual time (by Bluetooth). I have several options to do this. I ask you if they are possibles and how difficult are they... and the final decision owns to the customer. My skills are: I know PureData and Python. So: Using MobMuPlat (http://mobmuplat.com/) I know it is not a framework. I would make a PureData patch and the MobMuPlat interface. My customer would tell their customers to download MobMuPlat (Android: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.iglesiaintermedia.mobmupl…, iOS: https://itunes.apple.com/ar/app/mobmuplat/id597679399?mt=8) and give them the file that I build. Pros: - It's the easiest-way. - MobMuPlat is already in Google Market and iTunes. Contras: - It is not a standalone app, as they would like. Doubt (*and it's important*): - Could libpd send messages to serial port? There's [comport], but it is an external. Is it already compiled for Android/iOS? Using Kivy (http://kivy.org) This is a more difficult option. It uses Python to make the app. And there's Kivy/audiostream (https://github.com/kivy/audiostream) that gives the phone a access to the speaker and mic. In its example/ folder, there are puredata examples. Obviously, using libpd. Pros: - I would also make the patch in PureData. - It would make a standalone app (with own name, splash screen, etc). - It would works in Android, iOS, Windows, Linux, OSX. Contras: - I've never used Kivy. - I've never used any framework. - I've never used libpd. - I should build almost from scratch an application. - I should compile for most Android and iOS versions... - The difficulty of uploading an app to Google Market and iTunes. Using OpenFrameWorks (http://openframeworks.cc/) Well... I don't know coding C++. I know that this would be the best framework to do something like this... but it's furthest away from me. There's ofxPd (https://github.com/danomatika/ofxPd). Using PdDroidParty and PdParty Now, I'm seeing their webpages/githubs. I didn't think in this possibility... Could it become one more? Pros: - Another easiest way. - It could compile a standalone app (???) Contras: - As other frameworks: What about compiling for most Android and iOS versions...? - Uploading to markets...? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thank you very much! Mario Mey.

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OSX Bundle inside OSX Bundle
by Jonathan Wilkes 17 Nov '15

17 Nov '15

Hi OSX afficionados, In the Pd-extended app bundle for OSX, why does wish start the pd binary, while on Debian it is the pd binary which starts wish? Related question-- if I have a gui toolkit named gui.app, is it possible to just shove it into pd-gui-port.app/Content/Resources, and then open it from s_inter.c? Thanks, Jonathan

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Re: [PD] parse textfile
by Dan Wilcox 16 Nov '15

16 Nov '15

I’d create a bash script that simply converts the formats for you so both programs with with the native format. Text parsing like this is easier to do outside of Pd or with a scripting language like lua and the pdlua external. -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <https://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/> > On Nov 16, 2015, at 1:58 PM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > From: Simon Iten <itensimon(a)gmail.com <mailto:itensimon@gmail.com>> > Date: November 16, 2015 at 1:58:02 PM MST > To: Pd-List <pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>> > Subject: [PD] parse textfile > > > hi list, > > i’m trying to parse a textfile and use some numbers as parameters in a patch. unfortunately i can’t change the way the textfile is formatted, since it has to be compatible with another program. the first lines look like this:

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