Pd-list November 2015

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Compiling gem for Vanilla on Mac OS 10.9.5
by Reed Perkins 14 Nov '15

14 Nov '15

Hi list! Posted this on the forum recently but it hasn't gotten traction: Could anyone give me some tips for how to compile the GEM library for Vanilla? Maybe just a short list of instructions to get me started? I am a total noob at this stuff and there are so many files... Thanks!

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I07.phase.vocoder reports "adc~: no method for 'bang'"
by William Huston 14 Nov '15

14 Nov '15

Hi all, Using 0.46-7 (latest?) In I07.phase.vocoder reports "adc~: no method for 'bang'" on the console. See screenshot below. I do not see in doc/5.reference/adc~_dac~-help.pd any mention of what the inlet to [adc~] is for. I'm tempted to send a numeric value, 0?, 1? etc but it's guesswork. I had a look at pd-0.46-7/src/d_dac.c, but frankly I don't understand where the inlets are processed. Any help appreciated! Thanks, BH -- -- May you, and all beings be happy and free from suffering :) -- ancient Buddhist Prayer (Metta)

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Re: [PD] expr is now BSD (was "looking for other vanilla filters or abstractions for libPD")
by Dan Wilcox 13 Nov '15

13 Nov '15

Oh, I was just waiting for you to tell us what to do. :D -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <https://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/> > On Nov 12, 2015, at 5:49 PM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > I suggest this because we've devoted our non-expert energy to licensing > issues for expr once already, and it resulted in a license choice that wasn't even > compatible with the proposed use-case.

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SineFill (sinesum, but for all phases) in Pd?
by Alexandre Torres Porres 13 Nov '15

13 Nov '15

Hi, in SC they got this SineFill command, which can generate waveforms as a sum of sine harmonics but with all possible phases. Is there anything like it in Pd? I know there isn't in Vanilla, but maybe some other object that manage arrays has implemented this. Sounds like something cool to have. Cheers

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Re: [PD] OpenFrameworks + ofxPd in android: can't modify patch
by Dan Wilcox 13 Nov '15

13 Nov '15

> At the moment, I am loading a pd file called "noisepanning.pd", I load it in the ofApp.cpp <https://github.com/%E2%80%A6/exampleTween%E2%80%A6/blob/master/src/ofApp.cpp> source code file. The problem arises when I try to modify it, because the app behaviour does not change, it is like I have not done anything. Moreover, when I try to load another pd patch, the android app does not sound at all. What do you mean by “modify it”? Modify the patch? The ofApp? You mean you send messages to the patch or? Judging from your code in ofApp.cpp, you’re not sending any messages to libpd at all. There is the playTone() member function but it’s not being called anywhere. > I am not building again with Xcode when I perform these changes, since I am only interested in the android application. I only use the commands: > make AndroidDebug > ./gradlew assembleDebug That’s good, since you can’t build for Android in Xcode anyway. :) > Is there something more I should do when I change the pd patch? Does the sound work in the example if you build and run it on Android? I don’t have an Android device, so I’ve never tested ofxPd on Android. I’ve been told it does work, however. -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <https://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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expr is now BSD (was "looking for other vanilla filters or abstractions for libPD")
by Alexandre Torres Porres 13 Nov '15

13 Nov '15

Awesome, haven't seen this on the pd list, so I'm replying here on the list as well. Or maybe this has been posted here and I missed it. One way or another: The [expr] family of object is now (finally) on BSD licensing! Hurray! 2015-11-12 15:30 GMT-02:00 Shahrokh Yadegari <sdy(a)ucsd.edu>: > Hi Alexandre, > > *You must have seen my other message. Expr is now on BSD licensing so all > is solved.* > > I doubt if anybody is using jmax but since IRCAM owned the code I > developed while I was there, we have to go by that original licensing. > > best, > Shahroh > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 7:53 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres <porres(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Had to google to see why the relation to ircam, I understand now this was >> written as part of JMax, which has the GNU’s Lesser General Public License. >> >> cool >> >> I wonder if anyone still uses Jmax :) >> >> I really think Ircam shouldn't mind this at all, and it'd be great to see >> this issue finally over with >> >> again, is there anyone still using jmax? >> >> cheers >> >> 2015-11-09 4:33 GMT-02:00 Shahrokh Yadegari <sdy(a)ucsd.edu>: >> >>> I am happy to distribute expr/expr~/fexpr~ objects on BSD license. The >>> original expr code that I wrote at IRCAM, was made available as GLP by >>> IRCAM, and later they were kind enough to change that to LGPL. They may be >>> fine with BSD as well. I will ask and find out. >>> >>> best, >>> Shahrokh >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres < >>> porres(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Shahrokh is working on a new release of the expr family of objects (0.5) >>>> >>>> I'm copying him here, and I wouldn't know what his restrictions or >>>> issues would be regarding the license. Maybe if properly discussed with >>>> him, we could find a way to choose a license that is suitable for the libpd >>>> apps. >>>> >>>> I agree that expr is essencial and such limitation would be bad for Pd >>>> apps. >>>> >>>> cheers >>>> >>>> 2015-11-07 17:24 GMT-02:00 Scott R. Looney <scottrlooney(a)gmail.com>: >>>> >>>>> thanks Jonathan. this is what i assumed re LGPL when i saw a >>>>> discussion about using fluidsynth in a build, which has a LGPL variant but >>>>> not anything more permissive. so one question would be if anyone here on >>>>> the list had a paid app rejected or accepted on the App Store due to using >>>>> an LGPL license? expr and expr~ are very useful for a variety of things but >>>>> for now i'm not using them due to this offchance. >>>>> >>>>> i would further guess that FSF's exact words on LGPL were probably >>>>> pretty dark on using the iTunes Store in general. i've seen some >>>>> announcements from them in the past that made it clear how they feel about >>>>> walled gardens. >>>>> >>>>> best, >>>>> scott >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list < >>>>> pd-list(a)lists.iem.at> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> > As of about 2 years ago, expr and relatives are LGPL and thus >>>>>> compatible with the App Store. >>>>>> >>>>>> I emailed the Free Software Foundation, who are the publishers of the >>>>>> LGPL. They responded >>>>>> that the LGPL is not compatible with the restrictive terms of Apple's >>>>>> app store. >>>>>> >>>>>> I forgot to ask them in advance if I could publicly post their >>>>>> response. If they say I can do so, I'll post their actual >>>>>> response. But it sounded pretty clear. >>>>>> >>>>>> I suppose one could argue if it's a free app then who cares, and that >>>>>> the copyright holders of expr (or even Apple) are extremely unlikely to >>>>>> create a licensing fuss. But then that's the case whether expr is GPL, >>>>>> LGPL, or even "don't use this to murder people with drones" license. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you want to write/use open source software that's compatible with >>>>>> Apple's app store, use >>>>>> the 3-clause BSD license. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Jonathan >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pd-list(a)lists.iem.at mailing list >>>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pd-list(a)lists.iem.at mailing list >>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Shahrokh Yadegari >>> Professor of Composition and Sound Design, >>> Theatre and Dance Department >>> University of California, San Diego >>> Director, Initiative for Digital Exploration of Arts and Science, (IDEAS) >>> California Institute for Telecommunications and Information Technologies >>> (Calit2) >>> Email: sdy(a)ucsd.edu >>> Web: http://yadegari.org >>> Tel: (858) 822-4113 >>> Fax: (858) 534-1080 >>> >>> >> > > > -- > Shahrokh Yadegari > Professor of Composition and Sound Design, > Theatre and Dance Department > University of California, San Diego > Director, Initiative for Digital Exploration of Arts and Science, (IDEAS) > California Institute for Telecommunications and Information Technologies > (Calit2) > Email: sdy(a)ucsd.edu > Web: http://yadegari.org > Tel: (858) 822-4113 > Fax: (858) 534-1080 > >

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OpenFrameworks + ofxPd in android: can't modify patch
by Jose Luis Diez Antich 12 Nov '15

12 Nov '15

Hi, I have a problem with openframeworks ofxPd, maybe you can help me: I have built an android application that uses ofxPd to interface with pd. The code can be found here <https://github.com/thisisjl/exampleTweenPd>. At the moment, I am loading a pd file called "noisepanning.pd", I load it in the ofApp.cpp <https://github.com/…/exampleTween…/blob/master/src/ofApp.cpp> source code file. The problem arises when I try to modify it, because the app behaviour does not change, it is like I have not done anything. Moreover, when I try to load another pd patch, the android app does not sound at all. I am not building again with Xcode when I perform these changes, since I am only interested in the android application. I only use the commands: make AndroidDebug ./gradlew assembleDebug Is there something more I should do when I change the pd patch? Thank you very much, jl

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strange behaviour for look up table operation
by mick mengucci 12 Nov '15

12 Nov '15

Hi lists, we are making a new abstraction in Pd to convert from color space RGB to CIE-Lch using a look up table. We map all the RGB triplets to an index of the LUT that points to the correct conversion to CIE-Lch. The problem is that when using [hsv2rgb] we get the same index number as inputting directly the rgb triplet but different result from the look up table. How is that possible??? Here's a simplification of the patch to illustrate the problem (warning: there are three tables with 1.65814e+07 values) https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6MlQyl-quuaYnEzQmtDOFFyckU I hope somebody will have the patience to explain this very strange behaviour of an apparently simple message to expression and look up table operation. Maybe the size of the table and of the index is the reason for it? We run Xubuntu and Pd 64bits. Cheers -- mickmengucci.bandcamp.com facebook.com/mickmengucci3 facebook.com/Labio.pt <http://WWW.MISTURAPURA.NET>MISTURAPURA.NET <http://WWW.MISTURAPURA.NET> pure mixture vibration since 1995

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Re: [PD] looking for other vanilla filters or abstractions for libPD
by Dan Wilcox 11 Nov '15

11 Nov '15

> hey folks, more of a libPD question than PD per se... i'm using libPD with Unity for an upcoming iOS app i want to build and looking for good synth filter alternatives. i may want to put it on the App store so using anything with expr~ or fexpr~ is out, unfortunately. As of about 2 years ago, expr and relatives are LGPL and thus compatible with the App Store. I’m not sure why that info keeps propagating, you must have read some old posts before we resolved that issue. > i recently ran into the [bob~] object which seems useful and is under BSD license but initial searches on how to compile externals in libPD have not been successful. As of version libpd 0.8+, the built in extras (bob~, bonk~, etc) can be compiled into the c lib using EXTRA=true, see https://github.com/libpd/libpd#androidmk-makefile-libpdxcodeproj-libpd_wins… <https://github.com/libpd/libpd#androidmk-makefile-libpdxcodeproj-libpd_wins…> > ideally i'd love something i could just use in vanilla, as recompiling libPD for C# is kind of a chore for my skillset. anyone got an idea where i might find good vanilla resonant filters not using expr~/fexpr~ compatible with libPD? Try rjlib: https://github.com/rjdj/rjlib <https://github.com/rjdj/rjlib> -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <https://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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Window menu
by Jonathan Wilkes 11 Nov '15

11 Nov '15

Hi list,Does anyone use the Window menu? I've never used it or its keybindings. If no one else needs it I'm going to remove it in the GUI port. -Jonathan

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