Pd-list October 2013

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Pitchshift frequency bins to specific frequencies
by Ronni Montoya 26 Oct '13

26 Oct '13

Hi list , i need to iterate over all the frequency bins of a sound getting each frequency and then i need to map that frequency to a specific frequency . Do anybody have tried something like this in pd? which is the best way of doing this in pd? any hint? cheers R.

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csound6~
by Ronni Montoya 26 Oct '13

26 Oct '13

Hi, any idea where can i find csound6~ compiled for macosx? i been looking for it on google but no luck. cheers R.

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Re: [PD] Pd-l2ork running on OSX (was: Re: New Blankets names Jonathan Wilkes "Artist in Transit Fellow")
by Dan Wilcox 25 Oct '13

25 Oct '13

Can you check the link? Didn't work for me ... also, we should all donate if we can. Jonathan has been doing alot of great work. On Oct 25, 2013, at 6:00 AM, pd-list-request(a)iem.at wrote: > From: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: [PD] Pd-l2ork running on OSX (was: Re: New Blankets names Jonathan Wilkes "Artist in Transit Fellow") > Date: October 25, 2013 at 12:02:15 AM EDT > To: "pd-list(a)iem.at" <pd-list(a)iem.at> > > > Apropos: > Here's a first attempt at getting Pd-l2ork up and running on OSX: > > https://jwilkes.nfshost.com/Pd-l2ork.app.zip > > * Includes a few libraries: zexy, import, cyclone, and ggee > * I also replaced the help browser with the search-plugin powered by the xapian backend > * I added references and meta patches to the control, audio, and data structures tutorials. > > If you haven't used Pd-l2ork before, it has some interesting features: > * infinite undo > * preset_hub and preset_node for settings presets on patches and abstractions > * quick-connect: e.g., make a [route 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7] and eight message boxes below it, then select all of them and make a connection from the leftmost outlet of [route] to the leftmost message box. Now all are connected! (There are some other shortcuts when you select just the topmost or bottommost object, too.) > * pdinfo, canvasinfo, and classinfo objects > * a bunch of other improvements that should all probably be documented in a "What's New" patch that doesn't exist yet. > > Please test it and let me know how it works. > > If you'd like to give a donation, then please follow Joe's instructions > below for the New Blankets mini-fundraiser. > > Best, > Jonathan -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika danomatika.com robotcowboy.com

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Re: [PD] List of important computer music works
by Samuel Burt 25 Oct '13

25 Oct '13

Someone showed me the site below which is similar but more comprehensive and doesn't require flash. http://www.furia.com/misc/genremaps/engenremap-electroacousticimprovisation… It's still a bit hard to find "art" music unless you dig. There are so many sub-genres, the really distinct music types get buried. Sam On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 6:01 AM, Py Fave <pyfave(a)gmail.com> wrote: > this site is very partial (mostly consumer music ) > ,and flash based and post 70 s > but funny to explore > http://techno.org/electronic-music-guide/ > > 2013/10/14 Samuel Burt <composer.samuel.burt(a)gmail.com>: > > I've been teaching classes for several years now and always provide > examples > > of electronic music from the origins to the 70s. I've also been > integrating > > a little historical background of modern dance music. What I'm really > > lacking is a substantial list of important works that have been made > > possible by personal computers, especially those that incorporate > > interactivity or couldn't have been made without intense digital > processes > > like FFT or granularization. I'm familiar with a few, but is there > already a > > good list to draw from so I don't get bored from repetition? > > > > Works created in Pd are even better for selling the idea of learning to > > program interactive media. > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pd-list(a)iem.at mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > >

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Re: [PD] Pd-l2ork running on OSX (was: Re: New Blankets names Jonathan Wilkes "Artist in Transit Fellow")
by Jonathan Wilkes 25 Oct '13

25 Oct '13

Oops... try one of these: http://www.jonathanwilkes.net/Pd-l2ork.zip https://jwilkes.nfshost.com/Pd-l2ork.zip On Friday, October 25, 2013 8:56 AM, me.grimm <megrimm(a)gmail.com> wrote: jonathon, so you know the link you gave is broken... best m On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika(a)yahoo.com> wrote: Apropos: >Here's a first attempt at getting Pd-l2ork up and running on OSX: > >https://jwilkes.nfshost.com/Pd-l2ork.app.zip > >* Includes a few libraries: zexy, import, cyclone, and ggee >* I also replaced the help browser with the search-plugin powered by the xapian backend >* I added references and meta patches to the control, audio, and data structures tutorials. > >If you haven't used Pd-l2ork before, it has some interesting features: >* infinite undo >* preset_hub and preset_node for settings presets on patches and abstractions >* quick-connect: e.g., make a [route 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7] and eight message boxes below it, then select all of them and make a connection from the leftmost outlet of [route] to the leftmost message box. Now all are connected! (There are some other shortcuts when you select just the topmost or bottommost object, too.) >* pdinfo, canvasinfo, and classinfo objects >* a bunch of other improvements that should all probably be documented in a "What's New" patch that doesn't exist yet. > >Please test it and let me know how it works. > >If you'd like to give a donation, then please follow Joe's instructions >below for the New Blankets mini-fundraiser. > >Best, >Jonathan > > >On 10/10/2013 12:48 AM, Joe Deken wrote: > >New Blankets Inc. is a non-profit Foundation dedicated to the the >>re-invention of the Free Community Public Library in the realms of new >>media. Specifically New Blankets develops the dimensions _of_ >> >> -- free/open communities >> >> -- _circulation_ and _sharing_ mechanisms >> >> -- technology innovations >> >>which together weave and support new benevolent cultural communities. >> >>New Blankets is pleased to announce today the recognition of Jonathan >>Wilkes as our latest "Artist in Transit" Fellow. >> >> . New Blankets has provided Jonathan with an initial honorarium of >> $500 to support his work. >> >> . In addition to the initial honorarium support, New Blankets has >> also launched a "1 : 1 matching mini-fundraiser" during the >> coming month (October 14 - November 14, 2013), to further support >> Jonathan and the Artist-in-Transit Fellowship: >> >> 1) That is, any contributions to New Blankets during Oct 14 - Nov 14 >> which you kindly care to make and designate for "Artist in Transit" >> will be matched 1 for 1 by New Blankets -- up to a $500 matching >> limit. >> 2) At the end of the one month mini-fundraiser, the total sum >> (your contributions + NB matching amount) will be presented to >> Jonathan at *PdWeekend* -- to be held Nov 15-17, 2013 with Miller >> Puckette & Friends in San Diego and Los Angeles CA. >> >>*********************************************************** >> If you would like to make a contribution -- small or large -- to the >> New Blankets Artist-in-Transit fundraiser, please send e-mail ASAP to >> New Blankets, using the special fundraiser address : >> >> "wilkes_ait(a)newblankets.org" >> >> When we hear from you, we will arrange a convenient way for you to >> send your check or electronic payment to New Blankets, by whichever of >> several available methods may be most convenient for you.) >>*********************************************************** >> >> >>** PdWeekend** >> If you would like to participate in PdWeekend with us in >> California on Nov 15-17, you are cordially invited and most >> welcome! >> Kindly RSVP "yes" and let us know your plans to participate >> with us in San Diego (Nov 15) or Los Angeles (Nov 16-17) >> by sending e-mail ASAP to: >> >> pdweekend(a)newblankets.org >> >> We will then send you a confirming e-mail immediately, >> and we will keep you advised as our *PdWeekend* plans >> and the details of events move forward, from now until >> November 15. >> >> The *PdWeekend* events are quite informal, but they also >> will include four structured workshops on Saturday Nov 16 >> -- in co-operation with CrashSpace LA: >> >> .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... >> * Miller Puckette: Pd+Raspberry Pi >> * Katja Vetter: DIY Live Sampling Microphone-Build & >>Slice//Jockey >> * Ico Bukvic: Laptop Orchestrating with your Friends >> * Jonathan Wilkes: Your Computer, Your Creativity >> >> ** Registration is required each of the above workshops ** >> .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... >> >> You may wish to peruse our (very much in-progress) plans >> for *PdWeekend* and the stellar list of participants -- >> including Miller, Jonathan the other workshop presenters >> above -- at: >> >> http://newblankets.org/nov15.html >> >> ** Join us in CA in November! Invite your friends, too! ** >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Pd-list(a)iem.at mailing list >>UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Pd-list(a)iem.at mailing list >UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > -- ____________________ m.e.grimm | m.f.a | ed.m. megrimm(a)gmail.com _________________________________

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Re: [PD] Building externals on OSX
by Dan Wilcox 24 Oct '13

24 Oct '13

I'm not going to argue OS politics, again use what works best for you. I can understand the frustration with how the build system works on OSX. It is actually really nice in a lot of ways but it took me a while to get the hang of it after switching from Linux. Without counting Debian, I still think there's really no need at this point to support a PPC build for OSX. When I wrote "drop PPC support" in earlier emails, I was referring only to OSX. The code as it is now should compile just fine on Debian PPC since the only architecture differences as far as I know would be compiling for little endian versus big endian on Intel. I don't think there are any architecture specific assembly / function calls in Pd. So in the end, dropping OSX PPC support helps in simplifying the build scripts at least. Again, I think there's really no need to host newer Pd OSX PPC binaries, just leave the last one there since anyone using it will be on a much older version of OSX anyway. On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:05 PM, pd-list-request(a)iem.at wrote: >>> >>> Also, do you have any references for the claim that the vast majority of OSX >>> users have moved away from PPC? >> >> http://update.omnigroup.com/ (Hardware / CPU type): Intel 97.8% PPC 2.2% >> >> https://www.adium.im/sparkle/ (CPU type): Intel 97.83% PPC 2.71% > > Thanks. Those are low numbers, but I'd imagine the number of PPC users is > still fairly high: > http://www.statisticbrain.com/apple-computer-company-statistics/ > >> >>> I find Jobs' claim that Apple doesn't ship >>> junk to generally be true, and combined with their development model the >>> unfortunate result would seem to be that poor people still using their once >>> sleek and sexy devices are ignored along with their now ugly, unprofitable >>> devices. >> >> Well, those "sleek and sexy" PPC devices were last made & sold in 2005, so it's not a surprise the vast majority of people using OSX have Intel machines mainly because software developers (& the OS) have moved on to 32 bit and now 64 bit intel years ago. > > Debian supports PPC, no? Anyone know how it does on the old machines? I suppose since Pd is in the repos one could say it still supports PPC. :) > >> >> Your political bias notwithstanding (I say use what works for you), > > Well, I'd call it a political stance. And where it seemed quirky and deeply > personal when I first adopted it, it now seems simply to be a restatement > of the scientific method for computer security, at a time when there have > been revelations that show our computers really need to be as secure as > possible against attacks. > > I'd also point out that yours is a political stance. While I understand > it, I must disagree with it because in terms of security it is much more > difficult to use the scientific method to check whether the specs actually > fit the implementation. In some cases on proprietary OSes neither are > known so you're forced to reverse engineer the software, and for > complex systems that's too time consuming and expensive to do. -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika danomatika.com robotcowboy.com

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Pitchshift frequency bins to specific frequencies
by Nick Burge 24 Oct '13

24 Oct '13

Hi Peiman, I have tried the warp patch on my osx 10.8 laptop with csound6 installed, but get the error on the console " [curve]: list must contain 3 elements for each vortex"..... Any clues? Nick

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Re: [PD] Building externals on OSX
by Dan Wilcox 22 Oct '13

22 Oct '13

Errr. That's not so easy. You need the 10.5 SDK which you can only get with a *really* old version of Xcode which you probably can't install on anything newer than OSX 10.6. It's possible to put older SDK's themselves into the "right place" but, for something as old as the 10.5 SDK, it may not even work anymore. The only reliabel way to use an old machine with 10.5 or 10.6 and an old version of Xcode, probably Xcode 3.something. IMHO, at this point, it's best to drop support for PPC for new versions of pd. The *vast vast vast* majority of OSX users have moved on at this point. On Oct 21, 2013, at 9:12 PM, pd-list-request(a)iem.at wrote: > From: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [PD] Building externals on OSX > Date: October 21, 2013 4:20:55 PM EDT > To: pd-list(a)iem.at > > > On 10/21/2013 02:09 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: >> That sounds like you're building pd/extra from Pd-vanilla. I never had any >> luck with that build system. That's part of the reason why I ripped out extra >> from Pd-extended and made it a standalone library. It was much easier to make >> it work that way. > > Figured this one out, too. It was a problem of building 64 bit binaries-- I just > ended up building for i386 and the problem went away. > > If I'm going to go to the trouble of building for both architectures, then I > might as well go ahead and build ppc, too. So the real solution would be > for me to remove my current xcode setup and read all the stackoverflow > workarounds telling which older XCode version to setup an environment > that supports building for ppc. > > -Jonathan -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika danomatika.com robotcowboy.com

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Building externals on OSX
by Jonathan Wilkes 21 Oct '13

21 Oct '13

Hi list, Another roadblock: When I compile the externals in "extra" and try to create them I get an error to the Pd console: load_object: Symbol "choice_setup" not found In the "choice" directory there is a choice.d_fat and a choice.pd_darwin. nm choice/choice.d_fat shows a line with this: 00000e54 T _choice_setup and nm choice/choice.pd_darwin shows a line with this: 000006c0 T _choice_setup If I rename one or the other I still get the same error to the console. Same for all the other objects in "extra". Same whether I prefix them with the libdir name or not. Same if I put a [declare -path .] in a patch and put it in the "extra" directory. -Jonathan

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libdir template Mac OSX build
by Antoine Villeret 21 Oct '13

21 Oct '13

hello, 2 things in one thread : 1. I've made an external started with the template from up-to-date SVN and I realised that this template makes .pd_linux instead of .l_i386 or .l_ia64 so I switched to another one doing that (the one from pix_opencv, which Hans updated from template if I remember correctly) 2. but on Mac OS X this one build by default against x86_64 while there is no 64build of pd-extended for Darwin I have to append CFLAGs="-arch i386" and LDFLAGS="-arch 386" to make Could we update the template project to make things easier ? If yes, I can do that, but I'm not sure to do it right... Cheers A -- do it yourself http://antoine.villeret.free.fr

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