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Re: [PD] Editing CSS style, make pd.info better? [WAS: puredata.info site design provocation]
by Marco Donnarumma 11 Mar '12

11 Mar '12

(sorry I'm reposting this, cause I forgot to change the subject :/ but it's important to keep the thread in one piece) Folks, I think I'm going to put this online since the feedback have been mostly positive. > Stop me now, or let me go! > > anyway, nothing is irreversible, actually Plone says it's very easy to revert changes, etc... > I'm going for it. > > @Andras: see my comments below... > >> >> - could you post a screenshot of the footer? > > Attached. > For the footer I tried to get rid of the colophones which are really 80s (I love 80s), > and just left the textual credit. > That's the best way I see it, and hopefully does not take away the relevance of IEM. > However, I don't want to take decision, ppl let me know what you rather. > I would rather adding an IEM logo, but I just can't help with the colophons thing. > >> - what do you think about making News and Recent Changes more similar to >> the menu by adding an internal padding to the whole containing element, and >> at the same time, decreasing the padding/margin of the individual items? > > > Yes, that could be good, but if you notice the linkable text of News and Changes can be much longer than the menu items. > Therefore, we might have two or three lines of text in that sidebar, and that would not be controllable, > and possibly look bad. > I can try that and see how it goes. > >> A few humble ideas about the main page: >> - the link to the Belorussian translation looks a bit orphaned, but I don't >> know where else it could go > > > agree > > >> >> - seeing the same "old" screenshots on the opening page is a waste of prime >> time space IMHO, because once you took a look at them you won't use that >> part of the website anymore > > > Agree, I think what Andy said is also crucial. > We can't have a Pd patch screenshot which can't be read on the community homepage. > It's a bit embarassing. Specially when you show it to your student, bothering them about the patching guidelines. > >> >> - what do you people think about moving the current content of the main >> page to a menu item like "What is Pd?" and filling the page with more >> dynamic content? eventually, to fill with leads of News and Recent Changes >> items, which could even eliminate the need of those blocks (News is already >> on main page only, Recent Changes appear on some sub pages but not on each). > > > Then we would have What is Pd and Exhibition. > Yes, they are not the same conceptually, but it risk to be confusing imho. > I think we should first try to make the home simply more attractive, and try to deploy better the pages are already there. > Then, if we realize those pages aren't enough, we can start thinking about new things. > But I think the potential of the present structure and its contents are truly overlooked. > >> - if the main page ever gets populated with News et al, it would be nice to >> have a cover picture however. Eventually rotating cover pictures, possibly >> linked. Maybe a crazy idea, but wouldn't it make sense to have a >> carousel-like thing showing up items from the Exhibition on the main page? >> > > This is a good idea, was wondering whether we could implement some connection with the Pure Data Vimeo channel. > So we would also more clearly relate to Pd social world. And perhaps, more ppl will become aware Pd has a social world outside of forums and list. > >> - all i currently see when clicking Community is "check out >> DevelopmentWiki". Is this a temporary or very necessary state here? >> > mm, I see the proper community page, which Nicolas just restructured. > Maybe you get there from another link. -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net

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Re: [PD] Pd-list Digest, Vol 84, Issue 77
by Marco Donnarumma 11 Mar '12

11 Mar '12

Folks, I think I'm going to put this online since the feedback have been mostly positive. Stop me now, or let me go! anyway, nothing is irreversible, actually Plone says it's very easy to revert changes, etc... I'm going for it. @Andras: see my comments below... > - could you post a screenshot of the footer? > Attached. For the footer I tried to get rid of the colophones which are really 80s (I love 80s), and just left the textual credit. That's the best way I see it, and hopefully does not take away the relevance of IEM. However, I don't want to take decision, ppl let me know what you rather. I would rather adding an IEM logo, but I just can't help with the colophons thing. - what do you think about making News and Recent Changes more similar to > the menu by adding an internal padding to the whole containing element, and > at the same time, decreasing the padding/margin of the individual items? > Yes, that could be good, but if you notice the linkable text of News and Changes can be much longer than the menu items. Therefore, we might have two or three lines of text in that sidebar, and that would not be controllable, and possibly look bad. I can try that and see how it goes. A few humble ideas about the main page: > - the link to the Belorussian translation looks a bit orphaned, but I don't > know where else it could go > agree > - seeing the same "old" screenshots on the opening page is a waste of prime > time space IMHO, because once you took a look at them you won't use that > part of the website anymore > Agree, I think what Andy said is also crucial. We can't have a Pd patch screenshot which can't be read on the community homepage. It's a bit embarassing. Specially when you show it to your student, bothering them about the patching guidelines. > - what do you people think about moving the current content of the main > page to a menu item like "What is Pd?" and filling the page with more > dynamic content? eventually, to fill with leads of News and Recent Changes > items, which could even eliminate the need of those blocks (News is already > on main page only, Recent Changes appear on some sub pages but not on > each). > Then we would have What is Pd and Exhibition. Yes, they are not the same conceptually, but it risk to be confusing imho. I think we should first try to make the home simply more attractive, and try to deploy better the pages are already there. Then, if we realize those pages aren't enough, we can start thinking about new things. But I think the potential of the present structure and its contents are truly overlooked. - if the main page ever gets populated with News et al, it would be nice to > have a cover picture however. Eventually rotating cover pictures, possibly > linked. Maybe a crazy idea, but wouldn't it make sense to have a > carousel-like thing showing up items from the Exhibition on the main page? > > This is a good idea, was wondering whether we could implement some connection with the Pure Data Vimeo channel. So we would also more clearly relate to Pd social world. And perhaps, more ppl will become aware Pd has a social world outside of forums and list. - all i currently see when clicking Community is "check out > DevelopmentWiki". Is this a temporary or very necessary state here? > > mm, I see the proper community page, which Nicolas just restructured. Maybe you get there from another link? -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net

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Re: [PD] Editing CSS style, make pd.info better? [WAS: puredata.info site design provocation]
by Marco Donnarumma 11 Mar '12

11 Mar '12

ehmm.. No, of course I didn't mean to just delete the IEM and credits colophons, that would be insane. I only thought maybe we can make them look nicer, and prominent. Now it is not prominent at all at the bottom of the page, and so little. Can we make new colophons or are there bigger, nicer ones? Personally, I could leave those, but if we can make them better, why not.. M > i'm not sure how i should answer this: > - - technically, it's easy to remove/replace the colophon > - - politically, i'm sure the iem would prefer to be mentioned prominently > > -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net

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question about moses/gate/split??
by Pagano, Patrick 10 Mar '12

10 Mar '12

HiSaturday, March 10, 2012 1:20 PM hi I had a question from a student that wants to do something special with X/Y values from a motion grid example. We are getting values from pdp_mgrid with a value of 4 for x and a value of 4 for y so there are obviously different combinations. here's here question: If x can equal 1,2,3,4 and y can equal 1,2,3,4 how to send a bang when x=1 && y=1 BANG 1 x=1 && y=2 BANG 2 x=2 && y=1 BANG 3 x=2 && y=2 BANG 4 Need something that can easily have range changed x = 1-10 and y =1-10 Is there an eloquent way to do this in pure data? we have looked at gate, moses and split and they seem close but not spot on thanks in advance pp

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iemmatrix on osx 10.7
by Nick Burge 10 Mar '12

10 Mar '12

Hello list, i am trying to compile iemmatrix for use in pd vanilla 0.43.0 Following instructions on a recent post. I have set up the Xcode command line tools on my mac powerbook and type: make CONFIGUREFLAGS="--with-pd=/Applications/Pd-0.43-0.app/Contents/Resources/src" aclocal runs, autoconf runs, and make starts to compile the library, successfully locating the m_pd.h file, then the compilation fails: sys_bashfilename", referenced from: _matrix_write in matrix.o ld: symbol(s) not found collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [iemmatrix] Error 1 has anyone compiled this successfully on osx lion? Nick

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tunetof scl2pd.py
by Billy Stiltner 10 Mar '12

10 Mar '12

what is the best way to run scl2pd.py from within pd? i forgot where shell is located. i want an open file dialog then pass the file name to scl2pd.py. i probably ought to just rewrite in a language i understand like java and have the ratios sent to a table through udp that way I can have a cool scala browser that displays info about the scale before selecting it to be used since there are over 4000 of them

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pd-extended 0.43 ignoring ~/.pdextended
by Lorenzo Sutton 10 Mar '12

10 Mar '12

It seems that pd-extended (0.43) ignores the .pdextended file in the home directory or at least a path added via the Preferences menu? Alternatives (apart from the start-up flag?) Lorenzo.

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Am I in time to propose the Xth Sense lib to be included in Pd-ext?
by Marco Donnarumma 10 Mar '12

10 Mar '12

Am I? the library lives at the link below (along with the Xth Sense software repo). It includes over 100 objects, and only needs some more help-files to be completed, but for everything else it should be compatible with the guidelines. https://github.com/marcodsad/Xth-Sense-lib "This collection of objects has been designed to be used within the Xth Sense framework. However most object can be used as general purpose tools for everyday patching needs. The taxonomy is inspired to the PdMtl library: objects are divided in categories, and each of these is defined by a prefix" As I plan to release the Xth Sense system in April I would be glad if I was still in time to propose the inclusion of the lib. Thanks, -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net

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pix_film and readsf not in sync....
by altern 09 Mar '12

09 Mar '12

hi I am reading a video with pix_film and trigger it using auto, at the same time load a sound file with readsf ~ . This is ok for a while but after some time they go out of sync. The sound goes faster than the video. Any simple solution to this? or do I need to construct my own system to play the video passing the frame number to the pix_film? maybe using a line object with the total num of frames and the total time length of the video ... thanks enrike

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Re: [PD] pddroidparty netsend and netreceive
by Gaël Dubus 09 Mar '12

09 Mar '12

Here you can download the recompiled version of ScenePlayer including some additional externals (see README.txt for the list), together with a simple example of communication between a computer and a mobile phone. http://www.csc.kth.se/~dubus/Android/NetTest.zip In this example, the phone sends some accelerometer data to a [tcpserver] in the patch running on the computer, and uses values received from the computer to control a [osc~]. Regards, Gaël On 3/6/12 11:52 AM, berenger recoules wrote: > > > 2012/2/29 Gaël Dubus <dubus(a)kth.se <mailto:dubus@kth.se>> > > > Hi, > I am facing kind of the same problem with ScenePlayer on Android. > > For some time ago, I wanted to make another phone application > communicate with ScenePlayer. My idea was to inject the data into > ScenePlayer via localhost using networking utilities of Pd. For > this purpose, I recompiled ScenePlayer including externals from > the mrpeach library, then I tried several configurations in order > to test the different network protocols between the phone and my > computer. > > > My conclusion is that there is only one way to have a working > bidirectional data exchange: [tcpclient] on the phone and > [tcpserver] on the computer. In all the other configurations > (simple [netsend]/[netreceive] or [tcpsend]/[tcpreceive] for > example) it was possible to send data from phone to computer but > not from computer to phone. When I tried to invert the working > configuration (putting a [tcpserver] on the phone), the following > happened: the [tcpclient] on the computer seemed to be connected > (outlet 2 was set to 1) but could not send (nor receive) any data > to the phone. > > Unfortunately, this does not enable me to have a direct connection > between an external mobile application and ScenePlayer as I had > hoped. I gave up momentarily with the idea of using network > utilities, but I think that this is a question of interest for > people working with Pd on Android: is there a reason for incoming > TCP and UDP streams to be blocked? > > > Could you share you recompiled version of the ScenePlayer with > mrpeach ? I would like to see if I could reproduce your observations, > and establish communication between two phones. > > Cheers > > Bérenger > > > > Cheers > > -- > Gaël Dubus > Ph. D. student at KTH, Speech, Music and Hearing > Lindstedtsv. 24 > S-10044 Stockholm (Sweden) > Mobile: +46(0)76 096 3411 <tel:%2B46%280%2976%20096%203411> > Office: +46(0)8 790 7577 <tel:%2B46%280%298%20790%207577> > Fax: +46(0)8 790 7854 <tel:%2B46%280%298%20790%207854> > >

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