Pd-list October 2011

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Re: [PD] expr alternative
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 25 Oct '11

25 Oct '11

Hey Martin, I haven't heard that before. Do you have any references on the App Store being compatible with the LGPL? I found this write-up on the topic, it makes sense to me, and outlines basically how the App Store is incompatible with the FSF copyleft idea, which is definitely included in this LGPL: http://michelf.com/weblog/2011/gpl-ios-app-store/ One thing to remember in all this: it is totally legal and clear to make an GPL/LGPL app for iOS and distribute it outside of the App Store. It is the App Store that is the issue. .hc On Oct 25, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Martin Roth wrote: > As far as I know, if expr would be LGPL, then everything is ok, even > in the App Store. The expr library itself can be used in non-GPL > code (like Pd). The library source is freely widely available on the > internet. And otherwise if anyone makes any changes to the expr > object then those changes should be made public. Done and done. > > On 25 October 2011 18:26, Max <abonnements(a)revolwear.com> wrote: > Am 25.10.2011 um 19:10 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner: > > On Oct 25, 2011, at 10:15 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > >> Le 2011-10-25 à 12:19:00, Max a écrit : > >> > >>> So what is the situation now that expr could be LGPL instead of > GPL? What does that mean for things like the Apple App Store? > >> > >> In the end I'm not sure anymore that LGPL would be fine, even > though it does look like Apple ships with LGPL libs. (Though it's > not impossible they might have rewritten them just to avoid the > license...). > >> > >> There's too much contradiction between comments about it on the > web, so, to sort out the subtleties, it would be best to ask the FSF > about it. > >> > >> Well, you could ask Apple too. But I bet that the FSF will give > more attention to your question. > > > > > > The problems are with software that ships from the Apple App > Store, due to the way that is managed and the Terms of Service. It > is the management and terms of service of the App Store that > conflict with the GPL/LGPL. Apple ships lots of GPL and LGPL > software as part of Mac OS X and iOS, but that does not touch the > Apple App Store, so they can be in complete compliance. > > > > So Max, if you are interested in the Apple App Store, I think it > is incompatible with all FSF licenses, and perhaps all copyleft > licenses. The short term answer is to ship your iOS apps outside of > the App Store, and the real fix is to get Apple to make their App > Store compatible with copyleft licenses. > > > The question was asked by the author of expr - maybe I must re- > phrase: Now that IRCAM is okay with changing their license of parts > of expr from GPL to LGPL would that solve the issue of expr beeing > used in the BSD vanilla in applications like for instance RJDJ in > the Apple App store? (Or respectively any other use scenario where > the choice of license imposes restrictions) If the answer is yes, > then Shahrokh can go ahead and change the licence, fixed. If the > answer is no, then a rewrite of expr to be fully BSD is probably the > only solution to solve this. > > m. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > iEYEARECAAYFAk6m8S8ACgkQ3EB7kzgMM6JUFACffi7KPTf0PFuOXfDR829SNMHz > BK4AnRXBVU0Xj8s0IqrJjbdDBCy3O90M > =ngpy > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > -- > Martin Roth, CTO > > Tel : +44 793 241 66 20 > Twitter : @supersg559 > > Reality Jockey, Ltd. > 55B Holywell Lane > EC2A 3PQ > London, UK > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free software means someone else controls that, and to some extent controls you." - Richard M. Stallman

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Re: [PD] Array Size limits
by Daniel Embleton 24 Oct '11

24 Oct '11

OK i've done as Mathieu suggested and used the '-maxsize' to increase the capacity of the array to 1e+009. I have no idea what this means but the patch works so i'm not too bothered for now. Thanks for all the replies gentlemen.

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[PD-announce] NYC Patching Circle this Tuesday 10/25, 6-9pm (tomorrow)
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 24 Oct '11

24 Oct '11

Sofy is hosting us tomorrow night at a new space, 319 Scholes , 319 Scholes, in East Williamsburgh. We'll also be there the next two months, Tuesday, 11/22, and Tuesday 12/20. http://puredata.info/community/NYCPatchingCircle We spend enough time alone staring at our computers; we are proposing to work together. So often issues that arise when working can be solved with a quick two minute discussion that would take hours to solve alone. We have Dorkbot to see people's work, we have Share where anyone can play, we have workshops and universities to learn from. This is a meeting where we all can come to work. This is an informal gathering of patching and patchers (Pd, Max/MSP/ Jitter, and even vvvv, Eyesweb, Labview, etc.). Beginners and Experienced welcome. Open to everyone, students, the public, etc. Work on personal projects, professional projects, school projects, ask for help, help others, or just patch quietly to yourself, in a room full of other people patching patches and helping other people patch. tomorrow, Tuesday 10/25, 6-9pm Free! Directions ---------- Patching Circle, http://puredata.info/community/NYCPatchingCircle 319 Scholes, http://319scholes.org/ 319 Scholes St (near 3rd Ward) Brooklyn, NY 11206 347.850.4872 (Hans) Mailing List ------------ We also now have a mailing list for announcing the meeting each month, its very low traffic, only the monthly announcements. Sign up here: http://mailman.at.or.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nyc-patching-circle _______________________________________________ Pd-announce mailing list Pd-announce(a)iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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maximum array display size 2000 points?
by João Pais 24 Oct '11

24 Oct '11

Hi, was just checking something. For the display of an array, the maximum size seems to be 2000 points. That is, with an X size of more than 2000 points the array still gets correctly scaled, but everything after 2000 points doesn't get displayed, it's just white. Is this behaviour wanted, or just noone had so far made arrays longer than 2000 points? Or is there any flag that I don't know? Best, JoÃ£o Pais

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Android latency tester
by Chris McCormick 24 Oct '11

24 Oct '11

Hi all, In an effort to discover which Android devices are going to be best to run Pd on, here is an app and a page you can help contribute to. Please test your Android device and submit the outcome! :) http://puredata.info/AndroidLatency Cheers, Chris. ------------------- http://mccormick.cx

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editing pd silence
by saskia diez 23 Oct '11

23 Oct '11

Hello, maybe this is a bit out of topic: Im using the object writesf~ to record silence , the problem i have is when i open the .wav file in a sound editor as audacity and i edit the silence. When i export my silence it adds a hiss noise, its almost unperceptible, only you can listen to it when you boost up the volumen very much, but its there. I was wondering how can i edit a pd silence without that hiss? Is there a specific software for this? Or maybe this hiss is something specific to 16 bit .wavs? thanks Sas. -- saskia diez saskia_diez(a)fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Faster than the air-speed velocity of an unladen european swallow

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libpd and objective c
by ronni montoya 23 Oct '11

23 Oct '11

Hi , do anybody have any experience using libpd for iphone using objective c? I cant find anything related libpd and objective c , is it possible to develop a comercial iphone app with embedded libpd and sell it in the app store. any ideas? thanks A.

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PD Patch Challenge Theme Ideas
by Tyler Leavitt 23 Oct '11

23 Oct '11

Hello all, So I've created an e-mail account for everyone to send theme ideas to: patchchallenger(a)gmail.com. Anyone that wants the username/password to the account can PM me for it. So the rules are loose at this point (especially since we haven't made any =). Until I can get a working version of a bot to do this we can just do this manually. Once we get a variety of options in the account I'll randomly pick one and post it for the first challenge. Please format the submissions with a title and a description of the challenge. Comments/concerns? Tyler

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[PD-announce] New album
by Jerod Sommerfeldt 23 Oct '11

23 Oct '11

Hello Pd community, I'd like to take the opportunity to share a link to my new album. All sounds were created and executed in Pd, as well as RTcmix. It's free, ready for download and hopefully your listening pleasure! Please enjoy! http://www.petcord.com/releases/pc2011-15-jerod-sommerfeldt-pareidolia/ My best, Jerod ---------------------------------- www.jerodsommerfeldt.com _______________________________________________ Pd-announce mailing list Pd-announce(a)iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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Re: [PD] editing pd silence
by Daniel Embleton 22 Oct '11

22 Oct '11

Surely you could take your file when its finished and just use a gate to remove any unwanted noise? Forgive me if there's an obvious problem with this idea or i've misunderstood the question but that's the first thing that popped into my head.

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