Pd-list January 2011

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"canvas" ambiguity (stupid question)
by Matteo Sisti Sette 30 Jan '11

30 Jan '11

Hi, I always considered a canvas (meant as a pd window i.e. a patch or subpatch) and a [cnv] object (the graphical object with a background color and a label) as two completely different and unrelated things that just happen to be both called "canvas". Is it so, or is there some more subtle relation between them, perhaps in the way they are implemented at a lower level? Just a curiosity thanks m.

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[PD-OT][Is: Re: Am I alone?]
by patko 30 Jan '11

30 Jan '11

you guys are really funny, not right, not wrong. I don't deny that some people could be frustrated because they don't really understand electroacoustic music, but this kind of answer is at same level of psychology. ;-) youtube.com/watch?v=fgILndlspps ----- "Derek Holzer" <derek(a)umatic.nl> a écrit : > Obvious troll. Send him to SIberia for re-education, let him make the > > same stupid, halfway mainstream, commercially-aspiring, completely > boring "intelligent" dance music that every other Ableton Live user > might make and leave the rest of us alone. > > D. > > -- > ::: derek holzer ::: http://macumbista.net ::: > ---Oblique Strategy # 56: > "Do the washing up" > > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list(a)iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Patrice Colet

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Re: [PD] Am I alone?
by Marco Donnarumma 30 Jan '11

30 Jan '11

Honestly, all such discussions about "this" or "that" music sounds so weird to me. Whatever is your background and your taste, whatever you decide to do in your leisure or contract time that's simply up to you. Personally, such topic doesn't really suit the list. Throwing sentences this way is provocative in a wrong fashion. You are not alone, no. I also make so-called "UK future garage and stuff" with a side project, I use some Pd for that too, and I bet there are thousand of people doing the same. Now, if I was to wake up in the morning and play a 70 minutes harsh noise set, then eat a cake and compose something for the next meeting with my supervisor, eventually coming back home and make some garage/uptempo beats to be sold on Boomkat... would this represent a "philosophical" issue? IMHO no, just my 2cents. In Egypt they have just shutdown the Internet [bang]. -- Marco Donnarumma aka TheSAD Independent New Media Arts Professional, Performer, Teacher Ongoing MSc by Research, University of Edinburgh, UK PORTFOLIO: http://marcodonnarumma.com LAB: http://www.thesaddj.com | http://cntrl.sourceforge.net | http://www.flxer.net EVENT: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net

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Re: [PD] Am I alone?
by patko 30 Jan '11

30 Jan '11

loool well, I use to think like you, but you should think about the people that has invented many stuff like vocoder that is now used a lot in commercial craps ^^. Also many composers has made pieces that sounds like a mix of baby toys, but at the same time they develop technology that is now used a lot by people in dance or braindance music, like Aphex, Venetian snares etc... kraftwerk for example composed their stuff fifteen years after the same work has been done in ORTF studio, they just don't have the same musical approach, not the same culture. In some points of view it's a compositional mistake to make a piece sounding 'popular', you should know it... Personaly I do prefer kraftwerk approach, or Jean-Pierre Perret humor, it's true that not everyone has the same taste, you are not alone, that's a fact ;). Do what you like, and please share the sound, anyway pd is more appropriate to build musical toys :) than commercial stuff. Old discussion, check pd archive. ----- "Josh Moore" <kh405.7h30ry(a)gmail.com> a écrit : > Well in my opinion most electroacoustic shit is all surrealist/dadaist > crap. > > The people involved try too hard to be the electronic version of John > Cage, it's quite annoying. > In fact, I'm so against it that I'm going to come up with a parody > album with actual good dance music > that uses elements of the academic code geek norm with real > electronic > music that have titles like > "computer scientists make for very bad musicians" and "chainsaw in a > cave, recorded 6 feet down" > > In all seriousness though, i like the science. > > However, I believe that just because it's accepted academically > doesn't mean that it will > put you ahead of everyone else nor do I like/take part in the elitism > that follows which is ten > times worse. > > I read the CCRMA and IRCAM articles/publications, use Max, Csound, > ChucK, and all of that jazz. > I even read the Pd/Max/Csound/Chuck mailing lists too but I choose to > make actual music with those tools. > I use Renoise for sequencing because it can send open sound control > data to the extra stuff, then I multitrack it > in whatever DAW I feel like using that day whether it's Pro Tools, > Live, Logic, DP, or whatever really. > Most of what I make is just normal synthesis stuff, like what you > would get out of a synth/workstation anyways > but I like the fact that I made what I'm using, or heavily modified > it > if it was sampled. > > An off subjerct example but relative is the guys with modular > synthesizers. You can go to youtube and > see videos with these guys with big huge multithousand dollar Buchla > synthesizers and they make this > repetitive crap that sounds like it came from lost in space. Then, > they just keep turning knobs > and it's the same thing for five minutes. It's like, wtf is that > trash > nobody is going to listen to that... > > The technical ability to program synths is great, and I love people > who take the time to be > scientific about their sound but to me the whole entire point of > music > is about being technical > with a control present. You can look at all of the great classical > composers, marching band composers, > composers/musicians on labels and find the same thing. If I was to go > to school to study music and > electronics, and figured out that I can get a plastic drum, destroy > an > alarm clock to make a contact microphone, > and do some basic signal processing I can do much the same thing then > I would be asking serious questions. > > I guess for someone who's learning, that stuff is fine but these big > institutions who teach music already > require one to take proper music courses in primary school yet we > find > 5 minute 20 hz drones everywhere > with some white noise. Are the teachers assigning this stuff? Are > they > mad? I grew up in a super small > area in Washington state and I've never been to college so I wouldn't > know but what comes out of this > circle is baffling. > > Perhaps it was just the way I was musically brought up, I don't know. > I had a crazy band teacher in > primary school who would flunk you if you didn't show up to any of > the > performances, and dock your > grade if you didn't practice so many hours a week that had to be > logged and signed by a parent. Plus, > you had all the standard music theory stuff, tests on melodic, > chromatic, harmonic scales, sometimes the > odd ones too, inversions, chords, and so forth. My mom would listen > to > Van Halen, Stevie Ray > Vaughn and Bluegrass music which in my opinion is very technical. I > was into house and dance when > I was in my preteens to late teens and my mother used to always say > that stuff isn't music > because it repeats too much. Eventually I saw her wisdom and started > listening to lots of Prog Rock > and Aphex Twin, Radiohead, Industrial Metal, and stuff like that and > it totally changed my view. > > I think it's all too easy to get caught up in the technology behind > production, and leave the good stuff out. > Most of the stuff, including my own that's made with computers just > doesn't have that same feel even > after I spent 8 hours programming complex drum patterns note by note > in a numeric based step sequencer. > > However, in my case my own musical control would be the simple math > that makes up harmony and melody. > Some however can defy this and still make good music, like Sonic > Youth > for instance or other people who have > experimental music actually published on a reputable experimental > label. There's still structure there, what > is up with this other post-modernist stuff? > > Shouldn't artistic enrichment be the goal? Did I miss the boat? > > To me, music is controlled noise. You can make a math equation based > on chaos theory and apply it > to a sequence, but then it becomes noise. You can destroy all sense > of > scale and timing, but then it > becomes noise. > > I mean, i can sit there on a synth patch and make noise for 8 hours > or > I could just go write a song. > > Personally, I'll choose to write the song. > > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list(a)iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Patrice Colet

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pd quine?
by Tedb0t 29 Jan '11

29 Jan '11

The thought just occurred to me... Has anyone ever made a Pd quine? Sounds like an interesting challenge... ±±t3db0t

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XmiX
by Gabbroral Complex 29 Jan '11

29 Jan '11

hi, after two years of lurkin'n'coding I wrote XmiX, a full OSC oriented 8 tracks environment with client/server architecture over TCP/IP: http://puredata.info/Members/gabbro http://mag-one.noblogs.org/xmix hope you like it, :) mag-one

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Multi-dimensional arrays
by Tedb0t 29 Jan '11

29 Jan '11

I know this is one of those perennial questions that must come up regularly, but I simply cannot figure it out. What's a good way to store data in a 3-dimensional array? Thanks! —t3db0t

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[PD-Announce] Brussels Pure Data Patching circle - Okno - 30 Jan 2011 - reminder
by Olm-e 29 Jan '11

29 Jan '11

* // Français ci-dessous/Nederlands onderaan *_ _* **OKNO - artist run organisation for art and media technology - Brussels ** * http://okno.be <tp://okno.be%22%22> * *_EN_* * *30/1 Pure Data Patching Circle * * mailing list : http://okno.be/mailman/listinfo/circles * 14h -18h at OKNO Thomas Turine will come and discuss some conceptual and critical views. Come with your projects and ideas ! We'll discuss music and interaction. He is a young talented Belgian composer, who explored as diverse musical territories from electronic acid to compositions for contemporary orchestra. In between he played with jazz rock, fusing traditional world music melodies with modern influences and classical instruments, mixing sound recordings and electro punk, in an imaginative and sensitive style. As of today, his music has become a genuine sculpting with sound in motion, with a strong consideration for the surroundings and the investigation of sound spaces, as much composing with acoustic instruments as electroacoustic devices. Currently he is composing for dance pieces, choreographies, theatre, and interactive spatial installations. He is using Pure Data in his work and teaching, e.g. lately in Paris (Louis Lumière) in a masterclass electroacoustic music. As usual, these are free events. Bring your laptops, headphones and projects. Please send a short e-mail to ol[at]okno.be to confirm your participation, so we can prepare properly. Pure Data Patching Circles Brussels are supported by the Ministery of Culture of French Community of Belgium, Digital Art. ______________________________________________________________ _*FR*_ * 30/1 Pure Data Patching Circle** mailing list : http://okno.be/mailman/listinfo/circles* * *14h-18h à Okno Thomas Turine nous rejoindra pour une session plus conceptuelle et critique, venez avec vos projets et idées. On parlera de musique et d'interactivité. Il est un jeune compositeur Belge de grand talent et diversité, ayant parcouru des territoires depuis la musique electro acide aux compositions pour orchestre contemporain, en passant par des groupe de jazz rock, mélangeant les mélodies du monde aux influx modernes et instruments classiques, mixant enregistrements de matières et electro punk, avec un imaginaire profond et sensible. Sa musique est devenue aujourd'hui véritablement sculpture de matière sonore en mouvement, avec une très forte attention sur la spatialisation et de recherche sur l'espace sonore, composant tant avec instruments acoustiques que dispositifs electroacoustiques, pour des pièces de dance, chorégraphies, théatre et sur des installations spatialisées interactives. Il utilise Pure Data dans sa pratique et l'enseignement p.ex. dernièrement à Paris (Louis Lumière) dans un masterclass d'electroacoustique. La session se donnera de 14h à 18h, à OKNO. C'est gratuit, apportez votre laptop, vos écouteurs, et vos motivations/projets. Veuillez confirmer votre participation par e-mail sur l'adresse ol[at]okno.be, pour une meilleure organisation. Les Pure Data Patching Circles sont supportés par le Ministère de la Culture de la Communauté Française de Belgique, Arts Numériques. ______________________________________________________________ _* *_ _*NL*_ * 30/1 Pure Data Patching Circle* * mailing list : http://okno.be/mailman/listinfo/circles* 14u - 18u te OKNO Breng muzikale en interactieve ideeën en projecten mee die we samen bespreken en op weg helpen. We nodigen Thomas Turine uit. Thomas Turine is een getalenteerde jonge Belgische componist, met een veelzijdige achtergrond. Hij maakte zowel elektronische acid als composities voor een klein orkest of jazz rock bands. Hierbij versmolt hij traditionele melodie met hedendaagse invloeden. De laatste tijd werkt hij met dans en choreographie, theater en interactieve ruimtelijke klank installaties. Men kan zeggen dat zijn werk momenteel meer een soort sculpteren met klank in beweging lijkt. Hij werkt vaak met Pure Data, dat hij doceert in Parijs (Louis Lumière) in de masterclass elektro-akoestische muziek. Zoals gebruikelijk zijn deze events gratis. Breng je laptop, headphones en projecten. Bevestig je komst met een korte e-mail aan ol[at]okno.be De Pure Data Patching Circles events worden gesteund door het Ministerie van Cultuur van de Franse Gemeenschap van Belgie, Digitale Kunsten. ______________________________________________________________ OKNO Koolmijnenkaai 34 Quai des Charbonnages - Brussels - Belgium openbaar vervoer/public transport/transport public : metro Graaf van Vlaanderen/Comte de Flandre, tram 51 With the kind support of the Flemish authorities and the VGC (Vlaamse Gemeenschapscommissie). Met steun van de Vlaamse Gemeenschap en de VGC (Vlaamse Gemeenschapscommissie). Avec le soutient de la Communauté Flamande et la VGC (Vlaamse Gemeenschapscommissie).

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spinning sounds around the listener
by ronni montoya 29 Jan '11

29 Jan '11

Hello, im working on a installation and i need to simulate the effect of spinning sounds around the listener. Each sound is spinning around a different center point which are located around the listener. Ive made this pic so you can understand better: http://www.zshare.net/image/8587193340809633/ So my question is : Do anybody have tried something like this in pd? Is it possible to achieve this kind of effect using 2 speakers? If not , which speaker configuration and synthesis approach do you recommend me to achieve this goal? thanks R.

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IP address in windows?
by Pierre Massat 29 Jan '11

29 Jan '11

Hi all, Is it possible to get my computer's IP from inside Pd? I know it's possible in Linux using the shell object, but it doesn't exist in windows. I'm trying to make a game requiring two players to play on two different computers, and it'd be very annoying if each user had to find her IP before playing. Pierre

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