Pd-list January 2011

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Re: [PD] keyword/regexp search of documentation in a plugin
by Jonathan Wilkes 09 Feb '11

09 Feb '11

Remixed! -Jonathan --- On Thu, 1/13/11, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans(a)at.or.at> wrote: > From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans(a)at.or.at> > Subject: Re: [PD] keyword/regexp search of documentation in a plugin > To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancsika(a)yahoo.com> > Cc: "pd-list" <PD-list(a)iem.at> > Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 6:00 PM > Attached is an updated version: > > > On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:13 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > > > 1 the results aren't clickable > > Which platform? They are for me on Ubuntu/maverick, > Mac OS X 10.5 and 10.6. > > > 2 you can't enter multiple non-contiguous terms > > Its a regexp really, so it doesn't really do keyword > searches. Ideally, this would use a search engine like > xapian, then it could do keyword searches. I just > added code to replace spaces in the searchtext with the > regexp code ".*" so that it'll search non-contiguous words, > but the first word will always be before the second in > search results. > > > 3 no control over AND vs. OR (or is there?) > > regexp > > > 4 doesn't differentiate between tutorial/example > patches and object-help > > patches (what if I just want to find the object named > 'gate'?) > > Hmm, that wouldn't be too hard to do, I guess it would be a > pull down menu of: object, message, comment, array, any. > > > 5 most of the results don't fit into the window size > > The window should be resizable. > > > 6 full text search makes it impossible to get useful > results for 'float', > > array', 'list', etc. > > That sounds like fully typed searching, which would be very > nice, but much harder to do. My goal right now is to > get a basic search function working. Hopefully my code > is clear enough that others will make their own custom > search plugins. I could see simple search, regexp, > search engine, etc. > > > 7 can't search by inlet, object function, author, etc. > (PDDP META tags) > > Why not? This works for me: author.*steiner > > > 8 non-friendly user interface > > I spruced it up a bit with this latest version. > > > 9 it doesn't seem to be searching the manual > > Ah, I'll add .html to the file types it searches. > > .hc > > > > > I've already got a pd patch that is well on its way to > curing 1-8 (posted > > screenshots awhile back), but it requires toxy, which > seems to have been > > removed from pd-ext, and there is currently no > (non-buggy) tk 'entry' > > object in existence. > > > > -Jonathan > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans(a)at.or.at> > wrote: > > > >> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans(a)at.or.at> > >> Subject: [PD] keyword/regexp search of > documentation in a plugin > >> To: "pd-list" <PD-list(a)iem.at> > >> Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 7:10 AM > >> > >> Hey all, > >> > >> At the strong urging of Sofy Yuditskaya, I finally > wrote up > >> a quick > >> interface for searching the Pd docs using a > keyword or a > >> regexp. Its in > >> the form of an 0.43 plugin, so you can just drop > it into > >> your > >> user-folder and you should get a "Search" item on > the Help > >> menu. > >> > >> Test it out and let me know how it works for you. > >> > >> .hc > >> > >> > >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pd-list(a)iem.at > >> mailing list > >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > >> > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > “We must become the change we want to see. - Mahatma > Gandhi > >

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Where to download PDDP manuals ?
by Xavier Miller 08 Feb '11

08 Feb '11

Hello, In the windows version of pd-extended, there is some PDDP documentation (in doc/manual/ ), but I don't find it in the pd-exended sources. Where can I download it? Kind regards, Xavier Miller.

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sound card preferences
by Jan 08 Feb '11

08 Feb '11

i need to tell a patch to select an external sound card when it loads. what's the most efficient method? flags? im on osx, pd-extended, card is a focusrite saffire pro 24. cheers

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Re: [PD] Pager in documentation
by Willy WOLFF 08 Feb '11

08 Feb '11

Cool :) On 01/26/11 12:03, Xavier Miller wrote: > OK, I found it : the pd documentation with pager comes from the PDDP > project (http://puredata.info/dev/pddp ). > > I will get it and install it. > > Kind regards, > Xavier Miller >

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About external gui-s (and kiosk mode)
by Athos Bacchiocchi 07 Feb '11

07 Feb '11

hello list, i was making some searches about tweaking pd-extended's gui to make it "fancier" and not easily editable by casual users (planning some labs with children... but also my band's guitarist can be dangerous!). I have come across various things, but most of them seem to be very outdated. I'm on ubuntu maverick. I've read about: 1) a kiosk mode flag, but it doesn't seem to be available anymore 2) standalone app maker, only for mac 3) GriPD: seems nice but very outdated 4) Desire data: last release is one year old and i don't know wheter it has the capabilities i need 5) Running pure data with the -nogui flag + Gem (i see Lorenzo Sutton made some objects that could be useful: http://lorenzosu.altervista.org/pd/gem%20gui/) 6) an Edit Mode Look plugin, but i don't know how to activate this, i guess by patching the source code (something i'm very unfamiliar with, but i could try...) I also tought about looking into the pd-l2ork project (currently i'm trying to make it load Gem library), and trying to install pd-extended 0.43 to see if there was some change that could be helpful, but the autobuild for maverick doesn't seem to work. Does anyone have more up-to-date informations and suggestions? thanks, athos

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pdlib / pdtest
by patrick 07 Feb '11

07 Feb '11

hi everyone, is the samples/pdtest supposed to output sound or only text: print: 3 noteon: 0 112 0 looking at test.pd i should hear an osc @ 400hz, but i do not. the python version is working (python echo.py) i can hear myself with a delay. my goal is to use it in my application (C++ with a wxwidgets gui). should it be possible to embed libpd into a C++ application (windows, mac, linux)? if yes, i will not need to worry about audio driver (libpd will take care of choosing the right driver for the platform)? pat

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keyword/regexp search of documentation in a plugin
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 07 Feb '11

07 Feb '11

Hey all, At the strong urging of Sofy Yuditskaya, I finally wrote up a quick interface for searching the Pd docs using a keyword or a regexp. Its in the form of an 0.43 plugin, so you can just drop it into your user-folder and you should get a "Search" item on the Help menu. Test it out and let me know how it works for you. .hc

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Am I alone?
by Josh Moore 06 Feb '11

06 Feb '11

Well in my opinion most electroacoustic shit is all surrealist/dadaist crap. The people involved try too hard to be the electronic version of John Cage, it's quite annoying. In fact, I'm so against it that I'm going to come up with a parody album with actual good dance music that uses elements of the academic code geek norm with real electronic music that have titles like "computer scientists make for very bad musicians" and "chainsaw in a cave, recorded 6 feet down" In all seriousness though, i like the science. However, I believe that just because it's accepted academically doesn't mean that it will put you ahead of everyone else nor do I like/take part in the elitism that follows which is ten times worse. I read the CCRMA and IRCAM articles/publications, use Max, Csound, ChucK, and all of that jazz. I even read the Pd/Max/Csound/Chuck mailing lists too but I choose to make actual music with those tools. I use Renoise for sequencing because it can send open sound control data to the extra stuff, then I multitrack it in whatever DAW I feel like using that day whether it's Pro Tools, Live, Logic, DP, or whatever really. Most of what I make is just normal synthesis stuff, like what you would get out of a synth/workstation anyways but I like the fact that I made what I'm using, or heavily modified it if it was sampled. An off subjerct example but relative is the guys with modular synthesizers. You can go to youtube and see videos with these guys with big huge multithousand dollar Buchla synthesizers and they make this repetitive crap that sounds like it came from lost in space. Then, they just keep turning knobs and it's the same thing for five minutes. It's like, wtf is that trash nobody is going to listen to that... The technical ability to program synths is great, and I love people who take the time to be scientific about their sound but to me the whole entire point of music is about being technical with a control present. You can look at all of the great classical composers, marching band composers, composers/musicians on labels and find the same thing. If I was to go to school to study music and electronics, and figured out that I can get a plastic drum, destroy an alarm clock to make a contact microphone, and do some basic signal processing I can do much the same thing then I would be asking serious questions. I guess for someone who's learning, that stuff is fine but these big institutions who teach music already require one to take proper music courses in primary school yet we find 5 minute 20 hz drones everywhere with some white noise. Are the teachers assigning this stuff? Are they mad? I grew up in a super small area in Washington state and I've never been to college so I wouldn't know but what comes out of this circle is baffling. Perhaps it was just the way I was musically brought up, I don't know. I had a crazy band teacher in primary school who would flunk you if you didn't show up to any of the performances, and dock your grade if you didn't practice so many hours a week that had to be logged and signed by a parent. Plus, you had all the standard music theory stuff, tests on melodic, chromatic, harmonic scales, sometimes the odd ones too, inversions, chords, and so forth. My mom would listen to Van Halen, Stevie Ray Vaughn and Bluegrass music which in my opinion is very technical. I was into house and dance when I was in my preteens to late teens and my mother used to always say that stuff isn't music because it repeats too much. Eventually I saw her wisdom and started listening to lots of Prog Rock and Aphex Twin, Radiohead, Industrial Metal, and stuff like that and it totally changed my view. I think it's all too easy to get caught up in the technology behind production, and leave the good stuff out. Most of the stuff, including my own that's made with computers just doesn't have that same feel even after I spent 8 hours programming complex drum patterns note by note in a numeric based step sequencer. However, in my case my own musical control would be the simple math that makes up harmony and melody. Some however can defy this and still make good music, like Sonic Youth for instance or other people who have experimental music actually published on a reputable experimental label. There's still structure there, what is up with this other post-modernist stuff? Shouldn't artistic enrichment be the goal? Did I miss the boat? To me, music is controlled noise. You can make a math equation based on chaos theory and apply it to a sequence, but then it becomes noise. You can destroy all sense of scale and timing, but then it becomes noise. I mean, i can sit there on a synth patch and make noise for 8 hours or I could just go write a song. Personally, I'll choose to write the song.

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where to find $ args
by Rich E 06 Feb '11

06 Feb '11

Hi list, If I were to make an external that has access to $ arguments, does anyone know where I can find the necessary methods for retrieving this information? Or is it only available at instantiation? Most importantly, I am looking for a way to get the $0 value of a patch from C. Cheers, Rich

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[PD-announce] Fortieth meeting of the PureData Users Group of Montréal
by Mathieu Bouchard 03 Feb '11

03 Feb '11

.----------. | pdmtl#40 | `-=--------´ | .-=----------------------------------------------------------------. | La quarantième rencontre du club d'utilisateurs de PureData de / | Montréal aura lieu le dimanche 6 février 2011 de 14h00 à 18h00 | | au FouLab. \ `-=----------------------------------------------------------------' | .-=----------------------------------------------------------------. | Le FouLab est dans le local 33B du 999, rue du Collège, / | dans l'arrondissement Sud-Ouest, | | à 5 minutes du métro Place-Saint-Henri (ligne orange). \ `-=----------------------------------------------------------------' | .-=------------------, | Entrée gratuite ! < `-=------------------` | | .-=--------. | .----. | | / \ | || bang. || | \ / | | `----´ | `-=--------´ | .-=-------------. | à l'horaire : | `-=-------------´ | | .-=--------=----------=--------=-. | 1. Locus Sonus | | présenté par Peter SINCLAIR | `-=------------------------------´ Locus Sonus est un groupe de recherche dirigé par Peter Sinclair et Jérôme Joy. Le laboratoire de recherche en art audio Locus Sonus travaille depuis son lancement en 2004 sur les enjeux croisés entre audio en espace et audio en réseau. Il est porté en tant que post-diplôme par une des écoles d'art françaises : l’ESA d'Aix en Provence, l'ENSA de Bourges (depuis 2010). Locustream project – est un projet collectif - un réseau de microphones ouverts qui streame en permanence des paysages audio des 4 coins du monde. Ce projet est présenté par Locus Sonus sous différentes formes dont « Locus stream tuner », « Locustream Soundmap », « Locustream Promenade », les streams audio sont également utilisés pour d’autres projets par les artistes participant au projet. New Atlantis est un projet actuellement en développement, une collaboration entre SAIC (School of the Arts Institute Chicago) and Locus Sonus qui consiste à construire un monde virtuel, multi-utilisateur, partagé en réseau, entièrement dédié à l’expérimentation audio dans l’espace 3d virtuel. New Atlantis associe Panda3d avec Pd comme moteur audio. .-=-----------------------------------------------. | 2. Quatrième congrès international de Pure Data | | à Weimar, août 2011 | | présenté par Max NEUPERT | `-=--------=--------=--------=--------=---------=-´ / / Chère communauté, j'aimerais vous présenter Weimar en tant que candidat pour accueillir le congrès Pure Data 2011. L'université Bauhaus et l'école de musique Liszt organisent conjointement le congrès, lequel devrait se tenir du lundi 8 août au dimanche 14 août 2011. Dans la tradition des congrès précédents nous présenterons une conférence académique, des ateliers, des concerts, des performances, ainsi qu'une exposition. L'appel de communications de la conférence sera publié sous peu. Les ateliers seront présentés conjointement avec l'école estivale Bauhaus et comportera des sessions parallèles de divers niveaux et intérêts. Les concerts auront lieu soit dans le Studio ou dans un environnement plus boîte de nuit, selon les besoins. L'espace d'exposition sera geré par un comité de conservateurs et de membres de la communauté. J'ai discuté avec les gens du groupe Pure Data Berlin de la possibilité d'organiser l'évènement de clôture à Berlin. Le congrès tente de collaborer avec les institutions locales autant que possible : radio communautaire, hôtel de ville, orgue d'église (midi!), la société d'équipement audio IOSONO, etc. Le congrès a déjà accès à l'équipement audiovisuel et l'espace nécessaire pour organiser le congrès, ainsi qu'à l'argent nécessaire pour payer quelques organisateurs et les animateurs d'ateliers. Par contre, il n'y a présentement pas d'argent pour contribuer aux frais de voyage des participants, ni autres frais, mais nous avons plusieurs demandes de subvention supplémentaires en attente de réponse. Nous avons trouvé une auberge qui fournit chambres et cuisine pour moins de 14 $ par nuit. Nous avons aussi des accomodations gratuites dans le même style que le congrès de Montréal. Weimar est une ville de 65 000 habitants dans l'État de Thuringe (Thuringia), environ à mi-chemin entre Francfort et Berlin. C'est une ville culturelle et une destination touristique majeure, en plus d'avoir été la ville de Goethe, Schiller, Herder, Liszt, Nietzsche, l'Institut Bauhaus, et de la constitution allemande de 1919. C'est aussi une ville ayant été marquée par la guerre, étant à proximité d'un ancien camp de concentration nazi et d'un monument soviétique. http://www.uni-weimar.de/medien/wiki/Pure_Data_convention_2011 .-=-------------------=-. | 3. Midi Learn | | par Thomas THIÉRY | `-=---------------------´ / / La présentation se penchera sur comment faire un système de gestion des données des contrôleurs graphiques de Pure Data. Midi Learn, système de sauvegarde... La solution proposée est entièrement réalisée en Pure Data Vanilla. .-=----------=--------=-. | 4. Road Music | | par Peter SINCLAIR | `-=---------------------´ / / RoadMusic génère de la musique pour la route à partir de la route. Autosync est un miniPC embarqué dans une voiture, équipé de capteurs de mouvement et d'une caméra qui fournissent les données à un programme de synthèse audio (Pd sous Linux Ubuntu). .-=----------. | biographie | `-=----------´ / / Né dans le Suffolk, en Angleterre, Peter Sinclair vit et travaille dans la région de Marseille. Artiste numérique et chercheur, il est surtout connu pour ses installations sonores et ses travaux transdisciplinaires utilisant le son comme principal médium. Peter Sinclair interprète le monde autour de lui en modifiant l'environnement ou la situation par le biais de flux de média. Il aime relever le défi des nouvelles technologies, en les traitant souvent avec un certain sens de l'humour.  Au-delà de ses productions artistiques personnelles Peter Sinclair a participé à des collectifs d'artistes tels que "PacJap" ou "Daisy Chain". Il est actuellement co-directeur de la recherche du laboratoire "Locus Sonus". Son travail a été montré fréquemment en Europe et aux États-Unis dans des lieux tels que ICA (Londres), MAC (Marseille), MAC (Lyon), Postmasters gallery (New York), Eye Beam (New York), STEIM (Amsterdam), Gaîté Lyrique (Paris), le Jeu de Paume (Paris), Avatar (Québec), etc. .-=-----------------. | t-shirts à vendre | `-=---------------=-´ / / Il reste des t-shirts du 2ième congrès international de PureData à vendre au coût de 10,00 $. Veuillez me contacter pour plus de détails (matju(a)artengine.ca ou la liste pdmtl). Vous pourrez venir chercher les t-shirts réservés lors de pdmtl#40. .-=-------------. | liste d'envoi | `-=-----------=-´ / / L'inscription à la liste d'envoi du club se fait à travers l'interface web suivante. Notez que cette liste sert aussi pour les discussions générales sur PureData en français, mais ça reste une liste à bas volume. Les archives sont aussi consultables à travers ce site. http://lists.artengine.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pdmtl | | .-=--------. | .----. | | / \ | || voilà, || c'est_tout,_à_bientôt_! | \ / | | `----´ | `-=--------´ | [s tout_l'monde] _______________________________________________________________________ | Mathieu Bouchard ---- tél: +1.514.383.3801 ---- Villeray, Montréal, QC _______________________________________________ Pd-announce mailing list Pd-announce(a)iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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Pd-list January 2011