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Re: [PD] Fwd: Disabling of packages to build...
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 01 Aug '10

01 Aug '10

The existing build system is definitly ugly but it does work on many systems as long as you have all the deps installed. If you want to work with libs direcly, then use those build systems directly. If you want to improve gentoo support, the best way right now would be to package the template library, then it'll be really easy to package/build all the libs that are based on that template. Its a clean, well-tested standalone approach, and that's where pd-extended is headed. Search puredata.info for makefile template. .Hc ----- Original message ----- > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list(a)iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

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Re: [PD] Fwd: Disabling of packages to build...
by Funs Seelen 01 Aug '10

01 Aug '10

> > I am on Gentoo-Linux, which I freshly installed a month ago. With > > > the Gentoo system I had previously I experimented with pd-overlay > > > and ebuilds, which are not supported by the Gentoo crew, which tends > > > to make things more complicated than easier. > > > The current system has to last longer than the previous one, so I > > > willl no longer unmask packages or install overlays and ebuilds > > > from other sources than from the Gentoo-crew itsself. > > > > > > In case of the need to install things not supported by the > > > Gentoo-crew those have to compile out-of-the-box (classical way > > > of installing which only system dependency is of "being on > > > a linux box" instead of makeing diffderences what distribution > > > is used.) > > > > > > By the way: pd-extended searches for dpkg-* executables and than > > > thinks of being on Debian and installs everything into /usr/bin > > > instead of /usr/local/bin. > > > My opinion is, that this logic is not working in every case. Gentoo > > > offers dpkg-* utils also. The result is that pd-extended gets > > > installed into places, which are only for ebuilds. > > > (Takes me some time to figure out, whether everything wants > > > to go to /usr...) > > > As long as there are no official ebuilds for Gentoo, pd-extended > > > should keep its fingers off /usr. > > > If the distribution cannot figured out 100% surely, break the > installation > > > process or ask the user for help. > > > The existence or not-existence of certain tools is not strong logic. > > > > > > Only my two cents, your currency may vary... ;) > > > > > > --- > > > > > > I compiled pd-0.42-5 from the link you gave me, and it > > > compiles/installes well. > > > Unfortunately I have no clue, how install the rest, which makes the > > > now installed pd-vanilla into pd-extended... > > > > > > > > http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data/trunk/ > > Here you can download several external libraries. Some may install easy, > > some may not. That's why the community came up with the 'template' (also > in > > the externals-folder) to create a standard for libraries. Maybe in > somewhere > > future all libraries will install the same way. > > It's a hell of a job to install all libraries pd-extended contains, but I > > guess there's no need for that. Pd-extended loads a bunch of externals > every > > time you'll probably never use. It's easy though to have them all > installed > > but personally I seemed to use almost only vanilla-objects. Since I use > the > > same version you just installed I even know better what's available for > pd. > > The only disadvantage of not having pd-extended I can think of is when > you > > download someone else's patch and the only information you get is that > all > > objects are included in pd-extended. > > > > So whether you can use it the way as described above or you can try to > > change the install-path of pd-extended and uninstall pd-vanilla again. > > For the last option: searching somewhere in the source for "/usr/bin/" > and > > change that bit of text to "usr/local/bin" is what I would try in your > > position. > > mfg > > Funs > > No! Stop...I will NOT search through the source to get something > instaled which is called"stable" or "release code" to get a hint how > install the whole stuff. I am no developper (in this case). I am a > user. The trouble starts, where a faulty packaege is detected late in > the __installation phase__ of the makefile system, urging the user to > gues the way back to the failure inducing problem. > Soryy guys...I quit. > > Nothing to be sorry for. It's up to you what software you use. mfg Funs > Bye, > Best regards, > mcc > > > >

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Fwd: Disabling of packages to build...
by Funs Seelen 01 Aug '10

01 Aug '10

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Funs Seelen <funsseelen(a)gmail.com> Date: 2010/7/31 Subject: Re: [PD] Disabling of packages to build... To: meino.cramer(a)gmx.de 2010/7/31 <meino.cramer(a)gmx.de> > Hello Funs, > > Funs Seelen <funsseelen(a)gmail.com> [10-07-31 22:28]: > > Hello Meino, > > > > 2010/7/31 <meino.cramer(a)gmx.de> > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > while fighting for a successful compilation of Pd-0.41.4-extended > > > the build process falls over a certain package which I have now > > > decided to exclude. > > > > > > Where can I disable the build and install of packages from > > > Pd-extended? > > > > > > What do you mean with "packages"? Building pd depends on some packages > (as > > I recently learned for example "tk8.*-dev"). You can't exclude them, but > you > > just need to install them: > > > > $ sudo apt-get install the_package_i_need > > > > If you mean "libraries" or "objects" editing "Makefile" might be helpful. > > > > $ nano Makefile > > > > But then I would rather build pd-0.42-5 and install the external > libraries > > you need or listen to Hans and build his latest release candidate (I > don't > > know where he hid the source code). 0.42-5 makes editing a little easier. > > I checked out pd-extended-0.42 (release code) and tried several > times to compile/installed it but it failed due to errors, which > are not based on missing dependencies. And finally I gave up. > > Now I tried the stable pd-extended release and again fall over > packages not compiling. > > I am frustrated about that. > > I can understand. > I think I gave it up finally. > > If you "think" you gave up and you're not sure 100% about that here are some possible solutions: - Quit working on it for now and wait at least until tomorrow; - Tell us what system you are running (maybe others have had the same problem before or have an already-built-package for your platform) & - write down the output of the errors; - Download pd-0.42-5 http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html, install "tk8.5-dev" (if using linux) and build it (see "README.txt") & - install the libraries you need afterwards. > Thanks for all help I got here. > > bye > > Best regards, > mcc > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for any help in advance! > > > Best regards, > > > mcc > > > > > > I hope this somehow is an answer to your question. If not I'm sorry for > not > > understanding your question right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pd-list(a)iem.at mailing list > > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pd-list(a)iem.at mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > >

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Re: [PD] Stabel release?
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 01 Aug '10

01 Aug '10

Sounds like you are missing a dependency probably a video lib, so pidip didn't build. Check the debian and fedora pages for a listing. Or scroll up and see which header pidip is complaining about. .Hc ----- Original message ----- > Hi, > > ok, here is something: > > From svn I downloaded the complete pd-extended sources as described. > > After starting the compilation process as described, it fails with the > following lines. > > By the way: Would be nice to update the build-instructions (name of > the root dir isnt correct). > > > > install -d > /tmp/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/build//usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/hid > install -p /tmp/pd-extended/externals/hcs/hid/hid.pd_linux \ > /tmp/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/build//usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/hid > install -p /tmp/pd-extended/externals/hcs/hid/*.pd > /tmp/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/build//usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/hid > install -d > /tmp/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/build//usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/hid/examples > install -p /tmp/pd-extended/externals/hcs/hid/examples/*.pd \ > /tmp/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/build//usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/hid/examples > install -d > /tmp/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/build//usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/pdp > install -p /tmp/pd-extended/externals/pdp/*.pd_linux > /tmp/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/build//usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/pdp > install -p /tmp/pd-extended/externals/pdp/abstractions/*.pd > /tmp/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/build//usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/pdp > install -p /tmp/pd-extended/externals/pdp/doc/objects/*.* > /tmp/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/build//usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/pdp > install -d > /tmp/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/build//usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/pdp/manual > install -p /tmp/pd-extended/externals/pdp/doc/reference.txt \ > /tmp/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/build//usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/pdp/manual > install -d > /tmp/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/build//usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/pdp/examples > install -p /tmp/pd-extended/externals/pdp/doc/introduction/*.* \ > /tmp/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/build//usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/pdp/examples > install -p /tmp/pd-extended/externals/pdp/doc/examples/*.* \ > /tmp/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/build//usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/pdp/examples > install -d > /tmp/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/build//usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/pidip > install -p /tmp/pd-extended/externals/pidip/*.pd_linux > /tmp/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/build//usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/pidip > install: cannot stat `/tmp/pd-extended/externals/pidip/*.pd_linux': No such file > or directory make[2]: *** [pidip_install] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory > `/tmp/pd-extended/externals' make[1]: *** [externals_install] Error 2 make[1]: > Leaving directory `/tmp/pd-extended/packages' make: *** [install] Error 2 > > > Best regards, > mcc > > > > Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans(a)at.or.at> [10-07-30 20:04]: > > > > Any day now. I think there are no outstanding problems with the latest > > release candidate version, so I just want to wait a bit before making it > > the final release. > > > > So please test it and report problems, bugs, etc! Otherwise it'll be > > too late... > > > > .hc > > > > On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 19:37 +0200, meino.cramer(a)gmx.de wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > (warning! I am not a native English speaker! :) ) > > > > > > First of all: This is NO form of critism, urging, hurry-up message or > > > anything else than a wish for information... > > > > > > A time ago I saw mail here announcing different release codes of the > > > upcoming new version of pd-extra. > > > > > > When I the "final release" ("stable" or how it is called) planned? > > > > > > Thank you very much for your help in advance! > > > Best regards, > > > mcc > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pd-list(a)iem.at mailing list > > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pd-list(a)iem.at mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list(a)iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

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Re: [PD] Stabel release?
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 01 Aug '10

01 Aug '10

----- Original message ----- > Am 2010-07-30 19:58, schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner: > > > > Any day now. I think there are no outstanding problems with the latest > > release candidate version, so I just want to wait a bit before making it > > the final release. > > > > So please test it and report problems, bugs, etc! Otherwise it'll be > > too late... > > > > Hi, > while testing I just noticed that hcs/uname and hcs/hostname crash pd. > This is true on Ubuntu Lucid 64 bit and Debian stable 32 bit. I think > the problem is not a new one as 0.41.4 crahes too. > > Best regards, > lw. Awesome, thanks! A bug report would be very helpful for me to remember to do this. (Its on the Help menu) .Hc

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[PD-announce] Live Media and FLOSS workshop, 24-28 August, Avellino, Italy
by Marco Donnarumma 01 Aug '10

01 Aug '10

Flussi Festival presents: Live Media and FLOSS* Workshop with Marco Donnarumma Theoretical and practical audiovisual live performance seminary using FLOSS. Pure Data audiovisual real-time processing, tricks and tips to create your own performance tool. *Free/Libre Open Source Software Wednesday 25th - Saturday 28th August - 14 hours @ Teatro comunale Carlo Gesualdo, Avellino, Italy Cost: 50 euro The workshop is limited to 20 participants. Accommodation available for participants. Please register or ask for further info by sending an email to luca [at] flussi [dot] eu Full information at http://www.flussi.eu/text/workshop/puredata/FLUSSI2010_WORKSHOP_PUREDATA.pdf Info in the document above are only in Italian, please write us to request comprehensive info in english. Aim The seminary seeks to give the participants who don't have previous experience in programming and Live Media practice the needed theoretical and practical knowledge and skills to feel comfortable within the FLOSS creation environment. The classes' aim is to make the participants able to understand and assimilate the diverse passages of the creation process of software ad-hoc in order to be independent during the planning and development of a FLOSS project (musical, audiovisual, multi-media or theatre pieces) using the audiovisual language. The workshop will be preparatory to the implementation of Live Media performances realized by participants and presented in November 2010 at the "80 seconds" International Contest. -- Marco Donnarumma aka TheSAD Independent New Media Arts Professional, Performer, Teacher - Edinburgh, UK PORTFOLIO: http://marcodonnarumma.com LAB: http://www.thesaddj.com | http://cntrl.sourceforge.net | http://www.flxer.net EVENT: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net _______________________________________________ Pd-announce mailing list Pd-announce(a)iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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