Pd-list June 2010

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pd-mode
by Bernardo Barros 29 Jun '10

29 Jun '10

Hey What is this pd-mode.el in pd-extended source all about? Coding PD from Emacs? Interesting... Any documentation about this? Best! Bernardo

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resend: popen vs shell bug
by Kim Cascone 29 Jun '10

29 Jun '10

sorry for resending this but very curious if anyone was able to recreate this bug on OS X, XP/W7 or other flavors of Linux or other kernels? my config is at the very end of the error report patch attached ciao! KIM ====================================================== I send the following message to both the [popen] and the [shell] externals: [cd /usr/lib/pd/extra && ls -al > ~/Desktop/foobar.txt] when sent to [popen] it crashes Pd but sending it to [shell] worked fine below is the crash report (pd -stderr) after sending it to [popen] FYI: I got rid of the [moonlib] version of [popen] as well as its help file as you can see the flatspace one is being loaded =================================== tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/flatspace/popen.pd_linux and succeeded *** buffer overflow detected ***: pd terminated ======= Backtrace: ========= /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__fortify_fail+0x48)[0xb76deef8] /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6[0xb76dd000] /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6[0xb76dc28d] /usr/lib/pd/extra/flatspace/popen.pd_linux[0xb70e2b9f] pd(pd_typedmess+0x2ab)[0x80b71db] ======= Memory map: ======== 08048000-08111000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 35809 /usr/bin/pd 08111000-08112000 r--p 000c8000 08:03 35809 /usr/bin/pd 08112000-08113000 rw-p 000c9000 08:03 35809 /usr/bin/pd 08113000-08520000 rw-p 08113000 00:00 0 09f9f000-0a089000 rw-p 09f9f000 00:00 0 [heap] b42f3000-b4348000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 34905 /usr/lib/liboil-0.3.so.0.3.0 b4348000-b4349000 r--p 00055000 08:03 34905 /usr/lib/liboil-0.3.so.0.3.0 b4349000-b4360000 rw-p 00056000 08:03 34905 /usr/lib/liboil-0.3.so.0.3.0 b4360000-b4362000 rw-p b4360000 00:00 0 b4362000-b4366000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 482419 /lib/libattr.so.1.1.0 b4366000-b4367000 r--p 00003000 08:03 482419 /lib/libattr.so.1.1.0 b4367000-b4368000 rw-p 00004000 08:03 482419 /lib/libattr.so.1.1.0 b4368000-b436b000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 482538 /lib/libuuid.so.1.2 b436b000-b436c000 r--p 00002000 08:03 482538 /lib/libuuid.so.1.2 b436c000-b436d000 rw-p 00003000 08:03 482538 /lib/libuuid.so.1.2 b436d000-b4405000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 34677 /usr/lib/libxvidcore.so.4.2 b4405000-b440f000 rw-p 00098000 08:03 34677 /usr/lib/libxvidcore.so.4.2 b440f000-b4479000 rw-p b440f000 00:00 0 b4479000-b4502000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 33520 /usr/lib/libx264.so.68 b4502000-b4504000 rw-p 00088000 08:03 33520 /usr/lib/libx264.so.68 b4504000-b450b000 rw-p b4504000 00:00 0 b450b000-b4526000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 1406274 /usr/lib/sse2/libspeex.so.1.5.0 b4526000-b4527000 r--p 0001a000 08:03 1406274 /usr/lib/sse2/libspeex.so.1.5.0 b4527000-b4528000 rw-p 0001b000 08:03 1406274 /usr/lib/sse2/libspeex.so.1.5.0 b4528000-b4598000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 33499 /usr/lib/libschroedinger-1.0.so.0.2.0 b4598000-b4599000 ---p 00070000 08:03 33499 /usr/lib/libschroedinger-1.0.so.0.2.0 b4599000-b459a000 r--p 00070000 08:03 33499 /usr/lib/libschroedinger-1.0.so.0.2.0 b459a000-b459b000 rw-p 00071000 08:03 33499 /usr/lib/libschroedinger-1.0.so.0.2.0 b459b000-b45b8000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 36726 /usr/lib/libopenjpeg-2.1.3.0.so b45b8000-b45b9000 r--p 0001c000 08:03 36726 /usr/lib/libopenjpeg-2.1.3.0.so b45b9000-b45ba000 rw-p 0001d000 08:03 36726 /usr/lib/libopenjpeg-2.1.3.0.so b45ba000-b45ce000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 33583 /usr/lib/libopencore-amrwb.so.0.1.1 b45ce000-b45cf000 rw-p 00014000 08:03 33583 /usr/lib/libopencore-amrwb.so.0.1.1 b45cf000-b45fc000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 33581 /usr/lib/libopencore-amrnb.so.0.1.1 b45fc000-b45fd000 rw-p 0002c000 08:03 33581 /usr/lib/libopencore-amrnb.so.0.1.1 b45fd000-b4609000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 35799 /usr/lib/libgsm.so.1.0.12 b4609000-b460a000 rw-p 0000b000 08:03 35799 /usr/lib/libgsm.so.1.0.12 b460a000-b4645000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 36722 /usr/lib/libfaad.so.0.0.0 b4645000-b4646000 ---p 0003b000 08:03 36722 /usr/lib/libfaad.so.0.0.0 b4646000-b4647000 r--p 0003b000 08:03 36722 /usr/lib/libfaad.so.0.0.0 b4647000-b464a000 rw-p 0003c000 08:03 36722 /usr/lib/libfaad.so.0.0.0 b464a000-b4658000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 33922 /usr/lib/libfaac.so.0.0.0 b4658000-b465b000 rw-p 0000d000 08:03 33922 /usr/lib/libfaac.so.0.0.0 b465b000-b46eb000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 36716 /usr/lib/libdirac_encoder.so.0.1.0 b46eb000-b46ed000 rw-p 00090000 08:03 36716 /usr/lib/libdirac_encoder.so.0.1.0 b46ed000-b46ee000 rw-p b46ed000 00:00 0 b46ee000-b46fd000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 409348 /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libavutil.so.50.16.0 b46fd000-b46fe000 rw-p 0000f000 08:03 409348 /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libavutil.so.50.16.0 b46fe000-b4701000 rw-p b46fe000 00:00 0 b4701000-b473b000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 482466 /lib/libncursesw.so.5.7 b473b000-b473c000 ---p 0003a000 08:03 482466 /lib/libncursesw.so.5.7 b473c000-b473e000 r--p 0003a000 08:03 482466 /lib/libncursesw.so.5.7 b473e000-b473f000 rw-p 0003c000 08:03 482466 /lib/libncursesw.so.5.7 b473f000-b4744000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 35655 /usr/lib/libgdbm.so.3.0.0 b4744000-b4745000 r--p 00004000 08:03 35655 /usr/lib/libgdbm.so.3.0.0 b4745000-b4746000 rw-p 00005000 08:03 35655 /usr/lib/libgdbm.so.3.0.0 b4746000-b4749000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 482430 /lib/libcap.so.2.11 b4749000-b474a000 r--p 00002000 08:03 482430 /lib/libcap.so.2.11 b474a000-b474b000 rw-p 00003000 08:03 482430 /lib/libcap.so.2.11 b474b000-b4760000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 35314 /usr/lib/libICE.so.6.3.0 b4760000-b4761000 rw-p 00014000 08:03 35314 /usr/lib/libICE.so.6.3.0 b4761000-b4763000 rw-p b4761000 00:00 0 b4763000-b476a000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 35345 /usr/lib/libSM.so.6.0.0 b476a000-b476b000 r--p 00006000 08:03 35345 /usr/lib/libSM.so.6.0.0 b476b000-b476c000 rw-p 00007000 08:03 35345 /usr/lib/libSM.so.6.0.0 b476c000-b4773000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 35765 /usr/lib/libgomp.so.1.0.0 b4773000-b4774000 r--p 00006000 08:03 35765 /usr/lib/libgomp.so.1.0.0 b4774000-b4775000 rw-p 00007000 08:03 35765 /usr/lib/libgomp.so.1.0.0 b4775000-b47aa000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 409468 /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libswscale.so.0.11.0 b47aa000-b47ab000 rw-p 00034000 08:03 409468 /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libswscale.so.0.11.0 b47ab000-b47b8000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 410417 /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libavutil.so.49.15.0 b47b8000-b47b9000 r--p 0000c000 08:03 410417 /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libavutil.so.49.15.0 b47b9000-b47ba000 rw-p 0000d000 08:03 410417 /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libavutil.so.49.15.0 b47ba000-b47bd000 rw-p b47ba000 00:00 0 b47bd000-b4872000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 409849 /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libavformat.so.52.37.0 b4872000-b4879000 rw-p 000b5000 08:03 409849 /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libavformat.so.52.37.0 b4879000-b48c5000 rw-p b4879000 00:00 0 b48c5000-b4da2000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 409836 /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libavcodec.so.52.32.0 b4da2000-b4dad000 rw-p 004dc000 08:03 409836 /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libavcodec.so.52.32.0 b4dad000-b51cf000 rw-p b4dad000 00:00 0 b51cf000-b52da000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 36599 /usr/lib/libcxcore.so.1.0.0 b52da000-b52db000 r--p 0010a000 08:03 36599 /usr/lib/libcxcore.so.1.0.0 b52db000-b52e2000 rw-p 0010b000 08:03 36599 /usr/lib/libcxcore.so.1.0.0 b52e2000-b52eb000 rw-p b52e2000 00:00 0 b52eb000-b531b000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 482499 /lib/libpcre.so.3.12.1 b531b000-b531c000 r--p 0002f000 08:03 482499 /lib/libpcre.so.3.12.1 b531c000-b531d000 rw-p 00030000 08:03 482499 /lib/libpcre.so.3.12.1 b531d000-b5326000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 36707 /usr/lib/liba52-0.7.4.so b5326000-b5327000 rw-p 00008000 08:03 36707 /usr/lib/liba52-0.7.4.so b5327000-b5328000 rw-p b5327000 00:00 0 b5328000-b5339000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 36284 /usr/lib/libv4lconvert.so.0 b5339000-b533a000 r--p 00010000 08:03 36284 /usr/lib/libv4lconvert.so.0 b533a000-b533b000 rw-p 00011000 08:03 36284 /usr/lib/libv4lconvert.so.0 b533b000-b538b000 rw-p b533b000 00:00 0 b538b000-b5390000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 35785 /usr/lib/libgpm.so.2.0.0 b5390000-b5391000 r--p 00004000 08:03 35785 /usr/lib/libgpm.so.2.0.0 b5391000-b5392000 rw-p 00005000 08:03 35785 /usr/lib/libgpm.so.2.0.0 b5392000-b542d000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 482516 /lib/libslang.so.2.1.3 b542d000-b5430000 r--p 0009a000 08:03 482516 /lib/libslang.so.2.1.3 b5430000-b543d000 rw-p 0009d000 08:03 482516 /lib/libslang.so.2.1.3 b543d000-b5473000 rw-p b543d000 00:00 0 b5473000-b54a2000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 482464 /lib/libncurses.so.5.7 b54a2000-b54a4000 r--p 0002e000 08:03 482464 /lib/libncurses.so.5.7 b54a4000-b54a5000 rw-p 00030000 08:03 482464 /lib/libncurses.so.5.7 b54a5000-b54c1000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 35476 /usr/lib/libcaca.so.0.99.16 b54c1000-b54c2000 r--p 0001b000 08:03 35476 /usr/lib/libcaca.so.0.99.16 b54c2000-b5549000 rw-p 0001c000 08:03 35476 /usr/lib/libcaca.so.0.99.16 b5549000-b554d000 rw-p b5549000 00:00 0 b554d000-b5560000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 35550 /usr/lib/libdirect-1.0.so.0.1.0 b5560000-b5561000 r--p 00012000 08:03 35550 /usr/lib/libdirect-1.0.so.0.1.0 b5561000-b5562000 rw-p 00013000 08:03 35550 /usr/lib/libdirect-1.0.so.0.1.0 b5562000-b5569000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 35632 /usr/lib/libfusion-1.0.so.0.1.0 b5569000-b556a000 r--p 00006000 08:03 35632 /upd_gui: pd process exited Aborted -- my Linux audio perf config: Dell Studio 15 Core2 Duo 2.0GHz 3G-RAM Ubuntu 9.04 kernel 2.6.28.19-generic jackd version 0.116.1 tmpdir /dev/shm protocol 24 Ardour 2.8.2 Pd version 0.41-4extended USB iMic audio interface Korg nanoKontrol cpufreq-set - both cpu's are set to 2.0GHz and userspace

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run ruby script from [shell]?
by Jon 29 Jun '10

29 Jun '10

hi i'm trying to execute a ruby script from the shell object by sending it the message "ruby /path/to/script.rb arguments" but i get nothing. the script works fine from the command line, with the exact same arguments. is there an alternative? i'm on osx, latest stable pd extended thank you

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Midifile - define tempo?
by João Pais 28 Jun '10

28 Jun '10

Hi, I wanted to record a midi file, with notes being entered by pd. First, midifile is the object to use, right? 2nd, I wanted to use another tempo, is it possible to edit that? Thanks again, Joao -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin Deutschland Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 jmmmpais(a)googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp http://www.puredata.org/Members/jmmmp

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DeviceCycle for not reinventing the (jog)wheel
by Christian Frisson 28 Jun '10

28 Jun '10

Hi, I presented at the NIME 2010 conference a modest toolbox for pd. <http://www.educ.dab.uts.edu.au/nime/PROCEEDINGS/papers/Demo%20Q1-Q15/P473_F…> DeviceCycle offers a currently small number of abstractions and objects to facilitate the rapid prototyping of gestural interfaces, using off-the-shelf devices (plug and play event mappings, filtering towards "gesture" recognition): * Contour Design Pro2 and Xpress jog wheels, 3Dconnexion Space Navigator 3D mouse using [hidio] (hcs et al) * Novint Falcon force-feedback 3D mouse using [np_nifalcon] (K. Machulis et al, reusing also E. Berdhal's HSP toolbox) * OSX-only Apple Macbook Unibody multitouch trackpad with a flext port of [fingerpinger] from anyma.ch The first alpha version is available here, and has been tested on OSX Leopard only so far: <http://www.numediart.org/download/> Please send me your comments on the design and usability. The 2-finger rotation abstraction is still buggy! I have other devices available (Hercules DJ Control MP3, Wacom Bamboo Pen & Touch...), support pending. It would be great once it is in an acceptable shape that it would be directly integrated into the pd-extended release! I've just read on the flext list that flext objects integration on pd-extended is underway. Best, C.

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adstatus?
by Jamie Bullock 28 Jun '10

28 Jun '10

Hi, Does anyone know of an external, or scripting tricks to provide equivalent functionality to Max's [adstatus] in Pd? [adstatus] can be queried for information about the DSP hardware and allows get/set of current state. E.g. it can be used to programmatically select which audio device to use as input/output. Jamie

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Re: [PD] Wacom Bamboo Pen Touch HID attempts
by David Kirkpatrick 28 Jun '10

28 Jun '10

I used a Bamboo Touch for an installation a little while ago. The only way we got it to work with Pd was to use a program called AutoHotkey to remap the incoming scroll wheel and keypress data. Then we used a combination of [gemkeyname] and [gemmouse] to get the data into Pd. Not a very nice solution but it worked after a bit of trial and error. David Kirkpatrick Sound and Multimedia Artist www.davidk.com.au Re-; Hans-Christoph Steiner, 7/06/10 21:49: > > Maybe Thomas Grill's [wacom] will help you? The problem is that Wacom > uses their own custom API, not the OS-native HID APIs. [hidio] deals > with the native HID APIs, which sometimes includes other types of devices. OK, thanks for the tip, I'll give it a try: <https://svn.grrrr.org/ext/trunk/wacom/> > .hc Best, C. > On Jun 7, 2010, at 10:24 AM, Christian Frisson wrote: > >> Dear pd-list, >> >> I'm running 0.41.4-extended, currently under OSX, with [hidio] >> compiled (it is part of the source package but not the binary package). >> >> I could interface jog wheels and 3D mice using this solution >> successfuly, but I'm now stuck with Wacom's Bamboo Pen and Touch. I'd >> like to find a solution, first on OSX, towards cross-platform support. >> >> 1) bamboo-tuio is Windows-specific (I took a look a the code): >> <http://code.google.com/p/bamboo-tuio/> >> >> 2) linuxwacom is linux-specific and it seems multi-touch events from >> this device are not yet supported: >> <http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1321238> >> >> 3) [hidio] can only detect buttons and single finger touch when >> grabbing the first of the three virtual devices contained in the >> physical device (driver uninstalled). And buttons are mapped to system >> commands (right click and so on...). Some of the undetected events are >> listed on the console when opening the device with [hidio] with >> undefined Page/Usage, while the source of hidio contains lots of >> definitions. Is this the track to follow? >> >> 4) I tried Kyle Machulis way of reverse-engineering HID devices >> (parsing with libhid), but I'm stuck at the earliest stages: OSX >> becomes the first responder (I cannot thus grab the device properly >> with libhid) and maps the device to the UI. I have frankly a hard time >> writing a "codeless kext" for this composite device to be detected as >> simple serial device (not mapped to the UI). Any help or good pointer, >> as the Apple doc is not that verbose? >> <http://www.nonpolynomial.com/portfolio/> >> >> 5) Other solution: writing a Bamboo Mini TUIO/OSC bridge in >> ActionScript 3.0, but you need to run your browser or AIR, fear that >> your Mini won't get accepted... Detected events can be bridged (I >> tried), but not the 4 buttons... >> <http://mini-developer.wacom.eu> >> >> Anybody else tried? Any other suggestion? Any good codeless kext >> writing reference? HID/[hidio] experts? >> >> Tip: try to discover your HID devices first without installing drivers >> (that may contain panels or apps that route them as mice or keyboards)! >> >> Best, >> Christian >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pd-list(a)iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > "[T]he greatest purveyor of violence in the world today [is] my own > government." - Martin Luther King, Jr. > > > -- Christian Frisson UCL (University of Louvain-la-Neuve) TELE (Communications and Remote Sensing Lab) Batiment Stevin, Pl. du Levant 2, bureau a.159 B-1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Tel: +32 10 47 23 07 Fax: +32 10 47 20 89 <http://www.tele.ucl.ac.be/~frisson> <http://www.numediart.org> _________________________________________________________________ View photos of singles in your area! Looking for a hot date? http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/

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Wacom Bamboo Pen Touch HID attempts
by Christian Frisson 28 Jun '10

28 Jun '10

Dear pd-list, I'm running 0.41.4-extended, currently under OSX, with [hidio] compiled (it is part of the source package but not the binary package). I could interface jog wheels and 3D mice using this solution successfuly, but I'm now stuck with Wacom's Bamboo Pen and Touch. I'd like to find a solution, first on OSX, towards cross-platform support. 1) bamboo-tuio is Windows-specific (I took a look a the code): <http://code.google.com/p/bamboo-tuio/> 2) linuxwacom is linux-specific and it seems multi-touch events from this device are not yet supported: <http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1321238> 3) [hidio] can only detect buttons and single finger touch when grabbing the first of the three virtual devices contained in the physical device (driver uninstalled). And buttons are mapped to system commands (right click and so on...). Some of the undetected events are listed on the console when opening the device with [hidio] with undefined Page/Usage, while the source of hidio contains lots of definitions. Is this the track to follow? 4) I tried Kyle Machulis way of reverse-engineering HID devices (parsing with libhid), but I'm stuck at the earliest stages: OSX becomes the first responder (I cannot thus grab the device properly with libhid) and maps the device to the UI. I have frankly a hard time writing a "codeless kext" for this composite device to be detected as simple serial device (not mapped to the UI). Any help or good pointer, as the Apple doc is not that verbose? <http://www.nonpolynomial.com/portfolio/> 5) Other solution: writing a Bamboo Mini TUIO/OSC bridge in ActionScript 3.0, but you need to run your browser or AIR, fear that your Mini won't get accepted... Detected events can be bridged (I tried), but not the 4 buttons... <http://mini-developer.wacom.eu> Anybody else tried? Any other suggestion? Any good codeless kext writing reference? HID/[hidio] experts? Tip: try to discover your HID devices first without installing drivers (that may contain panels or apps that route them as mice or keyboards)! Best, Christian

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[PD-announce] Pure Data Intro Workshop, 15-16th July, Electron Club, Glasgow
by Marco Donnarumma 28 Jun '10

28 Jun '10

__PURE DATA WORKSHOP__ Thursday 15th and Friday 16th July 2010, 3pm-7pm Electron Club CCA – Centre for Contemporary Arts, 350 Sauchiehall Street, Glasgow G2 3JD Electron Club presents an introduction to Pure Data, a real-time graphical programming environment for audio, video, and graphical processing. Pure Data is the third major branch of the family of patcher programming languages known as Max originally developed by Miller Puckette and company at IRCAM. Pd is free multi-platform software. This two day workshop will bring participants through the basic idioms of dataflow, real-time audio and visual processing and networking. It is lead by Edinburgh based new media artists Marco Donnarumma and Ioann Maria. What: Participants will learn how to communicate with Pd and surf through the audio and visual processing objects libraries. Together we'll build basic processing audio and video structures and discover tricks and tips to create our own performance tool. No previous programming experience is needed. A sample of the workshop program can be viewed online at: http://marcodonnarumma.com/teaching/pd-aka-pure-data-intro/ Who for: Musicians, producers, live visualists, film-makers, programmers, sound designers or passionates of digital arts or electronic music and experimentation who wants to enhance and extend their skills and tools will find this workshop inspirational for the further development of their works and creative ideas, free from the limitations of user-friendly and proprietary software. When & Where: Thursday 15th and Friday 16th July 2010, 3pm-7pm Electron Club CCA – Centre for Contemporary Arts, 350 Sauchiehall Street, Glasgow G2 3JD How: The workshops are free, but participation is limited to 20 people. To register a place, please send an email giving some info on your interests and current knowledge of Pure Data to: pd(a)electronclub.org Participants should bring their laptops with Pure Data installed. The most recent Pure Data stable release can be found online at: http://puredata.info/downloads We also encourage people to bring sensors, USB game controllers, cameras, photo cameras, webcams, microphones, sensors, MIDI Devices. We'll learn by experimenting! Instructors: Marco Donnarumma is an independent new media artist, teacher, composer and performer. The understanding and the deconstruction of the semantic relation models among nature, man and technology is the main focus in his artistic research. The aim of his work is to highlight the communicativeness of human action through the use of self-designed responsive systems and physical computing technologies. His audiovisual real-time performances, interactive participative installations and electroacoustic compositions have been exhibited and performed in 19 countries across South America, Europe and Asia. He is a MA Professor of Sound Design for Sensitive Environment with FLOSS at LABA – Brescia Academy of Fine Arts, Italy. He is a researcher at FLxER.net and member of the board of directors of Live Performers Meeting, an international gathering of new media artists. http://marcodonnarumma.com Ioann Maria - new media artist, instructor, filmmaker, live video performer. An active member of FLxER team and Dorkbot Alba -people doing strange things of electricity-, an organizer of LPM Live Performers Meeting - the world's biggest annual meeting dedicated to live video performance. With her wide background in multimedia arts, she now works with new media technologies and interactive arts, exploring new possibilities in creative artistic-scientific demonstration. In her recent solo and collaborative projects she investigates the issues of physical computing and human-computer interaction. Being passionate about numbers, she’s particularly interested in linking the pure mathematical understanding with the beautiful sensation of experiencing sound and image in the new coherent audio-visual artistic expression. http://ioannmaria.com __ELECTRON CLUB__ The Electron Club is a voluntary run space where people interested in things like free open source software, circuit bending, hardware hacking, computer recycling, streaming, audio and video editing, green technologies, and amateur radio can meet, use equipment, and share and disseminate their skills and ideas. All are welcome. http://www.electronclub.org -- Marco Donnarumma aka TheSAD Independent New Media Arts Professional, Performer, Teacher - Edinburgh, UK PORTFOLIO: http://marcodonnarumma.com LAB: http://www.thesaddj.com | http://cntrl.sourceforge.net | http://www.flxer.net EVENT: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net _______________________________________________ Pd-announce mailing list Pd-announce(a)iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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Fwd: l'franglais, et éventuellement de retour à PureData...
by Pierre Massat 28 Jun '10

28 Jun '10

I apologize in advance for all those who don't speak french... Je voudrais juste ajouter mon petit grain de sel à cette discussion. Il me semble que le vrai problème ne tient pas au fait que Pd soit en anglais. Je crois plutôt que c'est du côté de l'aide et des événements organisés autour de Pd qu'il faudrait creuser. Pd est un logiciel pour faire de la musique et de la vidéo, c'est un truc pour faire du vivant, du live, et il faudrait d'abord le faire vivre en français. Une bonne traduction de FLOSS et du bouquin de Puckette serait un bon départ, et ensuite il faudrait développer les rencontres et les ateliers, surtout en France. Je crois qu'on est en retard pour les mêmes raisons éternelles quand il s'agit de nouvelles technologies. En tout cas je ne vois pas bien l'intérêt d'avoir une interface traduite, étant donné que le coeur de Pd se trouve dans les patches, et qu'il est à peu près impensable d'espérer traduire les objets en français. Le fait que VB ou C soient en 'anglais' ne me semble pas poser un grave problème aux développeurs de langue française. L'important serait de faire vivre Pd dans les pays francophones. Je préfère écrire un morceau avec Pd en anglais et chanter de belles paroles en français dessus que l'inverse. Voilà, ce sont justes quelques idées qui n'engagent que leur auteur... Pierre Le 26 juin 2010 18:36, Mathieu Bouchard <matju(a)artengine.ca> a écrit : > On Sat, 26 Jun 2010, matohawk wrote: > > C'est vraiment classe le franglais. Ça donne envie de pratiquer. >> > > Je sais pas à quel point tu fais du sarcasme (étant donné le lien du clip > de Jean-Claude van DAMN), mais ça, c'est justement un perpétuel sujet chaud, > mais définitivement pas autant que dans les années soixante, époque à > laquelle des géants comme André Laurendeau et Jean-Paul Desbiens > éditorialisaient sur le méchant dialecte Joual qui pourrit les esprits. De > grands politiciens comme Pierre Bourgault ont appelé à l'abandon du Joual et > considéraient que cet abandon serait un _affranchissement_ ! Mais rendu en > 68, le Joual était rendu culturellement mûr et s'est retrouvé coup sur coup > langue de théâtre d'un nouveau courant réaliste, ainsi que langue de la > nouvelle chanson, et de vidéoclips. Mais l'anglicisation du Joual a > généralement des tendances très fonctionnelles (on le fait d'abord pour ses > avantages pratiques) tandis que l'anglicisation du français parisien se fait > en termes de cool, d'exotisme, etc. ; et que d'autre part, le Chiac (le > dialecte de mes trois liens précédents) se caractérise probablement par > avoir un pied qui s'abandonne carrément à la langue anglaise dominante, > pendant que l'autre pied refuse de s'abandonner. C'est beaucoup de visions > des choses qui sont concurrentes, opposées et interagissantes. > > Mais en quoi ça a rapport avec PureData, tout ça ? > > Bonne question, parce que dans un cas, on a une traduction > d'interface-utilisateur bien faite et bien amorcée, qui va dans un logiciel > qui ne fonctionne pas (un des miens... désolé), et on a un logiciel qui > marche, dans lequel va une... euh... je vais dire que ça n'a pas tellement > l'air _commencé_, même. Mais néanmoins on a parlé de traductions de manuels > de Pd récemment et je me disais que c'était l'occasion d'exposer un petit > bout de la toile de fond qui amène beaucoup de gens comme moi à considérer > certains mots de France comme étant non-français, par exemple. Mais ce > serait vraiment plus un sujet pertinent si la communauté pd était plus > dynamique par rapport au multilinguisme. > > Il reste que pour un logiciel spécialisé existant depuis longtemps et pour > lequel les mécanismes de traduction sont primitifs (aucune branche n'a même > essayé de traduire les messages d'erreur de pd en général !), le public que > ça a attiré est un ensemble de gens qui n'ont pas de besoin pressant de > traduction. Ces gens-là n'ont pas tendance à se donner de temps pour > traduire de quoi, et les gens qui ont besoin de traduction sont mal placés > pour traduire de quoi, surtout s'il ne connaissent pas encore le logiciel ! > On a alors que ceux qui sont les mieux positionnés sont ceux qui donnent > déjà beaucoup de leur temps au monde de pd, et il faudrait, en quelque > sorte, que ce soit eux qui donnent encore plus. Je me demande si on peut > expliquer ce cercle vicieux à un commanditaire* ou un subventionneur, afin > de briser ce cercle vicieux, mais parmi les artistes québécois, je suis > sûrement celui qui s'y connaît le moins en financement ! (et encore là, ça, > ça compterait comme du développement en informatique, et les artistes > connaissent pas tellement les ficelles de cette sorte-là de financement). > > La nétiquette de pd-list ne met pas les esprits de ses participants dans > des dispositions linguistiques propices non plus. > > _ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ... > | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801 > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list(a)iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > >

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