Pd-list November 2010

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Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd
by patko 17 Nov '10

17 Nov '10

we can have a few examples in here: http://james-ingram-act-two.de/stockhausen/stockhausenScores.html particulary Xi for flûte, http://james-ingram-act-two.de/stockhausen/Xi/sxia1l.html he use exactly the same notation shown in your preview picture, thank you for showing it. Those are samples of papers written by the master, but the pieces I played at school contained also explanations about symbols used all along the scores, maybe be that's why I confused the issue by saying he used his own standard. Also, how a composer would do when he need to build his own scale, from empiric harmonic rules? Let me try to explain, music composition has evolved a certain way technically that one composer could build up a scale for each different piece he makes. How could he write scores that could be read by any genuine musician any time? ----- "João Pais" <jmmmpais(a)googlemail.com> a écrit : > > Can we have a view of one of these pieces written with "modern > > notation"? > > > > just to have a clue about what we are saying in here. > > I don't have the time now to look for scores with didactic examples. I > > made a small image which has the most used examples (or they wouldn't > be > in sibelius). inside the black area [only the upper row, I notice now] > are > the mostly used for 1/2 (chromatic) and 1/4-tone notation. > The accidentals with arrows can be interpreted on different ways > depending > on the composer, but in most cases mean smaller inflection than 1/4 > tone. > They can also mean a) 8th or 16th tones b) 1/4 tones (if the composer > > doesn't use many) c) unscaled deviations, like natural harmonics d) > 1/3 > tones e) something else. > But main point is, they're used quite often, even if there's no > standard > as traditional as for chromatic notation. > I guess main composers I was thinking of are Grisey, Ferneyhough, some > > Nono, and lots of young people I know (more or less personally). > For example, my old composition teacher, Spahlinger, has a system for > > 32th-tones, but that I don't find it to be a standard. > > > > I've played several pieces where composers like K. H. Stockhausen > used > > their own > > notation, not based on a standard, in fact there is no standard for > > > microtonal > > the scores I have from Stockhausen are not microtonal yet, they're > before > the Licht period. which scores are you talking about? > > > > music because: > > > > 1/ this style doesn't exist since a significant enough amount of > time. > > true, notated microtonal music is around one century old now, although > no > one play Wyschnegradsky or Hába nowadays. only from/after the 60s it > > really kicked in in a systematic way. > > > > 2/ actually many different styles of microtonal music emerge from > > different > > composers > > that uses their own notation system. > > that was more the case in the 60s-80s - and the sudden notation > expansion > happened with any kind of musical parameters, not just with pitch > notation. nowadays it's becoming slowly a standard, one symptom of it > is > that all main notation programs offer the symbols I sent. also > composers > nowadays are thinking more of 1/4 (and 1/8 tones) as part of the > tempered > scale - of course, not all. and also depending on the geographic > (cultural) location. > > > > 3/ no one (that I know) has been able to find an harmonical > relationship > > that > > would introduce a real notation system like we have in classical > music > > notation. > > don't know if I understand the problem exactly. anyway these systems > are > built upon the classical "tonal" notation system, which doesn't make > much > sense nowadays if we consider that each note is equal to each other, > > instead of having a diatonic scale. > but I don't know if I understood what you meant, and if it even is > that > important for the use of these symbols. -- Patrice Colet

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Pd 20% idle CPU usage on MBP
by Jamie Bullock 16 Nov '10

16 Nov '10

Hi, On my Macbook Pro (2.5 GHz Core 2 Duo), Pd's idle CPU usage is 15-20%. This is really high for an application in idle state. I get this regardless of the version of Pd I use -- I've tested with 0.42 and 0.43 latest. The load is in the server, the GUI CPU usage seems quite low. Does anyone know why this is? Is there anything that can be done to improve the situation? Jamie -- http://www.jamiebullock.com

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Re: [PD] Musical notation object on Pd
by patko 16 Nov '10

16 Nov '10

----- "Mathieu Bouchard" <matju(a)artengine.ca> a écrit : > On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, patko wrote: > > > particulary Xi for flûte, > > http://james-ingram-act-two.de/stockhausen/Xi/sxia1l.html > > I just noticed the parts in IPA (phonetic alphabet). > [y] [ø] [œ] > > First time I see those on a score. Interesting. > yes he has wrote some pieces that use phonemes as musical events, that's really interesting indeed. > > Also, how a composer would do when he need to build his own scale, > from > > empiric harmonic rules? Let me try to explain, music composition has > > > evolved a certain way technically that one composer could build up a > > > scale for each different piece he makes. How could he write scores > that > > could be read by any genuine musician any time? > > What's a genuine musician ? > That could be a complicated question, because I'm not sure to have used to good word, for describing who in the future will be able to have a clue about what is wrote on the paper, and this is also influenced by what E. Varese said about music in the future, interprets would disappear only composers would remain, that's what happening with using machines or tape instead of musicians, and from my point of view, only 'genuine' musicians could have a knowledge by doing some researches or studies about how the scores should be interpreted, the 'false' ones would be the machines for example, or the "lambda machine users" by 'lambda' I mean someone that only use the machine without asking questions. > > _______________________________________________________________________ > | Mathieu Bouchard ---- tél: +1.514.383.3801 ---- Villeray, Montréal, > QC -- Patrice Colet

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Linux Computer for mappping with GEM
by F. Medeiros 16 Nov '10

16 Nov '10

Hello, I will buy a computer for mapping with pd + GEM and it would be nice to get some advice before I make a mistake. I will be using 3 projectors so I though about using 2 nvidia cards to get 4 outputs (3 projectors + 1 screen for control), anyone knows if this is working easily with Linux? I want to get a Gemwin that covers the 3 screens. I also want to get some video input from a camera or dvd or a VJ, I read on this list nice things about the Canopus ADVC-110 so I guess this is a good option but since I don't need it to be external maybe someone can recommend a nice internal card that works nice on Linux. Thank you for the help.

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HHT HilbertHuangTransform objects in Pd?
by Ludwig Maes 15 Nov '10

15 Nov '10

I was wondering if somebody made HHT objects in Pd like: [EMD x], splitting a signal in IMF (intrinsic mode) functions...? How hard would it be to implement? Greetings!

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[PD-announce] NYC Patching Circle this Thursday 11/18, 6-10pm
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 15 Nov '10

15 Nov '10

The Patching Circle got a residency at Eyebeam! So for the next three months, we'll be on a Thursday evening, starting this Thursday. And Miller Puckette, the creator of Pd/Max will be joining me as a guest host this Thursday and next month. Pure Data 0.43 is about to be released, so some of us will be working on finalizing that. It includes a major update to the GUI to enable lots of customization. You can now customize the Pd GUI using simple plugins. Come bring your projects or try out Pd 0.43. We'll be at Eyebeam this Thursday from 6-10pm, please RSVP to info(a)eyebeam.org http://eyebeam.org/events/nyc-patching-circle We spend enough time alone staring at our computers; we are proposing to work together. So often issues that arise when working can be solved with a quick two minute discussion that would take hours to solve alone. We have Dorkbot to see people's work, we have Share where anyone can play, we have workshops and universities to learn from. This is a meeting where we all can come to work. This is an informal gathering of patching and patchers (Pd, Max/MSP/ Jitter, and even vvvv, Eyesweb, Labview, etc.). Beginners and Experienced welcome. Open to everyone, students, the public, etc. Work on personal projects, professional projects, school projects, ask for help, help others, or just patch quietly to yourself, in a room full of other people patching patches and helping other people patch. Every third Thursday of the month, so this Thursday 6-10pm Free! Directions ---------- Patching Circle, http://puredata.info/community/NYCPatchingCircle NYC Resistor, http://eyebeam.org/ Thursday, Nov 18th, 6-10pm 540 W. 21st Street Manhattan Tel. 212.937.6580 (Eyebeam) or 347.850.4872 (Hans) RSVP to info(a)eyebeam.org _______________________________________________ Pd-announce mailing list Pd-announce(a)iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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Multiples toogles and bangs
by Jose Luis Santorcuato 15 Nov '10

15 Nov '10

Hi all, I'm working for a long time to solve the multiple bangs that sometimes I throw some devices, I tested debounce, edge, but I can not control the multiplicity of bangs or Toogle, I can retard or miss one, send it to the right ( edge) but I can not control multiple bangs or toggle. Any ideas? Best regards José -- http://arselectronicachile.blogspot.com http://comunicacionnativa.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/santorcuato

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settings on Ubuntu
by Derek Holzer 15 Nov '10

15 Nov '10

Hi all, two of my students at a workshop today had the same problem. They installed Pd-ext from their package manager, but they have no preferences file thus no externals loaded, paths or anything. I scanned HC's page, the puredata.info FAQ and the list and didn't find anything about this. Did they forget/not know to do something or is this an error on the package manager's part? What should I do to fix their problem? D. -- ::: derek holzer ::: http://macumbista.net ::: ---Oblique Strategy # 202: "Back up a few steps. What else could you have done?"

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.deb for AMD64 Maverick
by Spencer Russell 15 Nov '10

15 Nov '10

I just upgraded to Ubuntu Maverick 64-bit, and the first thing I did was grab pd-extended 0.42.5 and build a deb, because there currently isn't one on the download page. What's the protocol for submitting the deb? I haven't really tested it much yet, but so far so good. Thanks, Spencer

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Re: [PD] fun with dynamic patching
by Jonathan Wilkes 15 Nov '10

15 Nov '10

Some more fun... -Jonathan --- On Thu, 11/11/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans(a)at.or.at> wrote: > From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans(a)at.or.at> > Subject: [PD] fun with dynamic patching > To: "PD list" <pd-list(a)iem.at> > Date: Thursday, November 11, 2010, 11:59 PM > > What 500 instances connected via a [route] with 500 floats > in it looks like: > > > Try yourself with the attached patches. > > > .hc > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > You can't steal a gift. Bird gave the world his music, and > if you can hear it, you can have it. - Dizzy Gillespie > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list(a)iem.at > mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >

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