Pd-list January 2010

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Graph-on-Parent GUI debugging - please test and report!
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 19 Jan '10

19 Jan '10

Hey all, Since I've seen a lot of people put a lot of effort into making pretty elaborate GUIs with the Graph-on-Parent, things like netpd and MetaStudio, I want to try to nail down the last GOP bugs in both Pd- extended 0.42.5 and pd-gui-rewrite 0.43. So I am asking for lots of testing and reporting of problems, and I'm going through all of the bug reports and emails that I have on the topic now. .hc ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith

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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
by Jonathan Wilkes 19 Jan '10

19 Jan '10

Hi Hans, There's some scrollbar flickering happening on winxp (see attached patch). -Jonathan --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans(a)at.or.at> wrote: > From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at..or.at> > Subject: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable > To: "PD list" <pd-list(a)iem.at> > Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 11:02 PM > > There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and > it should be quite useable now. Please try it for any > daily patching and report any issues that you might have so > that they can be fixed. There is a bunch of fun new > stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key, > for example make "O" give you an [osc~] and "P" give you a > [pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original > meanings. > > For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, > see: > http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite > > Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to write GUI > plugins. Please add anything you know of, and ask > questions so we can get more stuff documented: > > http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI > > .hc > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Programs should be written for people to read, and only > incidentally for machines to execute. > - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs > > > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list(a)iem.at > mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >

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pyext always crashes
by Matteo Sisti Sette 19 Jan '10

19 Jan '10

Hi, I got the windows binary of py/pyext for Windows from here: http://grrrr.org/ext/beta/windows/pd/ I get the following on the console: ------------------------------------------------ py/pyext 0.2.1pre - python script objects (C)2002-2008 Thomas Grill - http://grrrr.org/ext using Python 2.6.4 (r264:75708, Oct 26 2009, 08:23:19) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] ImportError: No module named numpy.core.multiarray ------------------------------------------------ I don't know if the error message that appears there is the cause, but whenever I try to create an object like: [pyext scriptname classname] with any of the example scripts, pd crashes. If I use a nonexistent script name it fails to create the object, it only crashes when the .py script is actually there, so it seems it does find the files. Can it be because of the ImportError? If so how can I fix that? The scripts have unix-like newline characters, I thought that could be the problem, but even after converting them to dos/windows-like newlines, it still crashes. Indeed, if I create a totally empty .py file (not a trivial dummy one, I mean an empty file), named "emptyfile.py" and I try creating: [pyext emptyfile anything] it crashes. Any idea? thanks m. -- Matteo Sisti Sette matteosistisette(a)gmail.com http://www.matteosistisette.com

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pd-extended - where to start from?
by Matteo Sisti Sette 19 Jan '10

19 Jan '10

Hi, I am new to PD Extended. Is there some complete and reasonably-easy-to-search "reference"? With Vanilla, I am used to having ALL objects in one patch, organized by category; also, help patches usually have "see also" links to related objects. With Extended, I feel like I don't even know where to start from when looking for an object that does something... Is there anything better than PDPedia? thanks m. -- Matteo Sisti Sette matteosistisette(a)gmail.com http://www.matteosistisette.com

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(0.43) new Window menu with tree view
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 19 Jan '10

19 Jan '10

Ok, this kicked my butt a little bit, but I got it working. Now, the Window menu shows all windows, whether they are from a parent or child window, or a supatch. Even better, it shows them in tree-ish way so you can see how they are related. The child windows are intended and inserted after their parents. GIve it a try and let me know if it works for you. http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite .hc ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- All information should be free. - the hacker ethic

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Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 18 Jan '10

18 Jan '10

There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it should be quite useable now. Please try it for any daily patching and report any issues that you might have so that they can be fixed. There is a bunch of fun new stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key, for example make "O" give you an [osc~] and "P" give you a [pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original meanings. For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see: http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to write GUI plugins. Please add anything you know of, and ask questions so we can get more stuff documented: http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI .hc ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs

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[PD-announce] Pure Data presentation - La Cantine - Paris
by thomas thiery 18 Jan '10

18 Jan '10

Sorry in french REMIX LA CANTINE : Pure Data : une matinée pour bien démarrer Formation par Thomas Thiery N'hésitez pas à amener votre ordinateur personnel. Pure Data est un environnement de programmation graphique dédié au son et à la vidéo pour le temps réel. Comme tout environnement de programmation il n'est pas vraiment possible de former des débutants à ce langage en une seule journée. Néanmoins une demi-journée permet de faire découvrir les possibilités de l'environnement, de montrer des exemples d'utilisation, donner quelques bases de programmations et enfin de fournir des ressources pour que chacun puisse poursuivre sa formation s'il le souhaite.Cette formation prendra plus la forme d'une présentation et sera d'une durée de 4 heures. 1. Pure Data - Origines - Qu'est ce? 2. Quelques bases de programmation 3. Des exemples commentés sous Pure Data (DIY, Netpd, PDMTL...) 4. Les ressources Le 28 Janvier 2010 de 09h00 à 13h00 La cantine 151 rue Montmartre, Passage des Panoramas 12 Galerie Montmartre, 75002 Paris salle de réunion du haut -- Matohawk alias Th-Th www.th-th.fr _______________________________________________ Pd-announce mailing list Pd-announce(a)iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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abs~ on 64-bit and 0.42.3
by Orm Finnendahl 18 Jan '10

18 Jan '10

Hi all, abs~ seems to be broken on my machine with 64-bit linux and pd 0.42.3 Clicking in the bang in the attached patch should result in a straight line at +0.5 (at least that's what I think it should do). Instead the result is a straight line at -0.5 with only two points at arrayindex 0 and 64 set to +0.5 I checked the sources which were used to compile the program and they look ok. It feels like a 64-bit problem somehow (maybe some compiler flags I didn't set up correctly), but then again I shouldn't rely too much on feelings even though it is a computer. Any ideas? -- Orm -- This mail was scanned by AntiVir MailGate. This product is not licensed. See http://www.avira.com/ for details.

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debugging Graph-On-Parent
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 18 Jan '10

18 Jan '10

Hey all, Since talking with Ico, Luke, Ed, and others it seems to me that fully debugging the GOP GUI stuff should be a big priority for the 0.42.5 release of Pd-extended. This would also fit in well with the wrapping up of pd-gui-rewrite. So for all you deep into GUIs with Pd, please report bugs and make example patches so we can get to the bottom of this. Ico's is a good example: .hc ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers

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Re: [PD] slightly off topic - interesting generative/recursive music inspiration
by Matt Barber 18 Jan '10

18 Jan '10

This is interesting, but unfortunately it isn't a correct analysis -- for it to be a real mobius strip it would need inversional symmetry, not symmetry in time -- the topology of this piece does not match that of a mobius strip (to visualize the topology of the music itself, you have to imagine it being written on a transparent strip). With an opaque strip, you can actually just write any music whatsoever -- this would have worked fine with no twists in the strip (and no music on the inside). > > Canon 1 a 2 from J. S. Bach as a M?bius strip > http://strangepaths.com/canon-1-a-2/2009/01/18/en/

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