Pd-list September 2009

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Re: [PD] higher math
by Mathieu Bouchard 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, Hans Roels wrote: > I noticed some strange behaviour of some higher math objects in Pd > vanilla (0.42-4): 'log~' has a right inlet log(a,b) = log(a)/log(b) it's dumb, because when a two-input log is computed, it takes the time of two one-input logs plus the time of a division... which is normal and useful, but the problem is that you can't make it compute any faster. e.g. you could precompute log(b), or you could even precompute 1/log(b) because nowadays it's faster to multiply than to divide, but those accelerations would need the existence of a one-input log. You don't find this in Pd's internals. You find this as [expr~ log($v1)]. > file a 'optional creation argument initializes right inlet (the base of > the logarithm)' but this doesn't work. If I create a 'log~ 10' object it > still computes the logarithm base e I tried it with 0.42-5 and it worked. _ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801

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Re: [PD] future of the "Text Editor" (fwd)
by Mathieu Bouchard 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

resending because i accidentally had used a different "From:". ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 17:49:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Mathieu Bouchard <mbouchard(a)videographe.qc.ca> To: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans(a)at.or.at> Cc: PD list <pd-list(a)iem.at> Subject: Re: [PD] future of the "Text Editor" On Wed, 9 Sep 2009, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > Now that cut/copy/paste works in all object boxes, comments, etc. on all > platforms, is there any reason to keep the "Text Editor"? Shift+arrows : select Ctrl+arrows : skip words Shift+Ctrl+arrows : both Home, End Shift+Home, Shift+End. Triple-click (should select a whole line). I probably forgot some other things. _ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801

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Re: [PD] future of the "Text Editor"
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

On Sep 9, 2009, at 9:53 PM, dmotd wrote: > > Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: >> >> Now that cut/copy/paste works in all object boxes, comments, etc. >> on all >> platforms, is there any reason to keep the "Text Editor"? > > data-structures + clarity of editing. > > i'm not sure if viewing the struct in DS launches > the same 'Text Editor', but it is quite useful for > editing/debuging values. > > as for clarity, if i am wanting to review a large > block of text, ie. a message box with a number of > initiation settings. then i find it better to do > so in its own window. i think as matju pointed out > there are a number of extra bindings that make > text editing a little easier, and perhaps these > could be expanded - such as a import / export text > button? i guess what you're suggesting is that if > i want these features, i'm better off using my > favourite text editor and hitting the cut button? > > i'm not strictly opposed to removing it, but i > have been known to use this feature in the past. > > cheers, > dmotd The data structures dialog is totally separate. The Text Editor is the thing you get from the Edit menu. FYI: I just added the data structures dialog to pd-gui-rewrite. .hc ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith

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future of the "Text Editor"
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

Now that cut/copy/paste works in all object boxes, comments, etc. on all platforms, is there any reason to keep the "Text Editor"? .hc ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers

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Feedback discussion
by Andres Ferrari 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

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Re: [PD] "computer music" WAS: Re: Pd at a livecoding event on the BBC
by Daniel Wilcox 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:43:49 +0000 > From: babsyco babsyco <babsyco(a)hotmail.com> > > I think the area of MIDIcontroller technology is so ignored, probably cause > there's no market fo it cause of that dumb attitude. I wish someone would > come up with some interesting physical controller that actually requires > substantial physical effort to manipulate parameters, or at least could > withstand and respond to it. > I am always surprised when people have no idea about my casio midi guitar <http://www.robotcowboy.com/musical-interfaces/digitar/>when it's been around since the late 80s. At most they think it's a toy ... *sigh*. I'm disappointed that, at this day and age, I can't go buy a digital controller like this that's new without having to pay money++ aka ztar. I wish casio made these in wood+metal. I have 3 of them now so I can fix the two working ones if a part breaks. Oh boy thanks Roland .. I can buy a chaos "kaoss" pad. Woopty do. Oh boy Yamaha, I can buy your latest a greatest keytar reissue which is mostly for the 80's revivalists. Or better yet, I can drop $2000+ for a custom super tactile midi controller from [insert small german electronics company here] that most people play with feather fingers. *sigh* You can't blame just the musicians for making bad performances. Not everyone playing music is a hardware hacker, etc like many of us on the list, so unless more interfaces are available, then people won't use them. -- Dan Wilcox danomatika www.robotcowboy.com

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future of the "Text Editor"
by Daniel Wilcox 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

> > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:52:42 -0400 > From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans(a)at.or.at> > > > Now that cut/copy/paste works in all object boxes, comments, etc. on > all platforms, is there any reason to keep the "Text Editor"? > > .hc > There's a "text editor" ... ? :D ... actually, you'll keep if for [ coll ], etc right? -- Dan Wilcox danomatika www.robotcowboy.com

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Re: [PD] future of the "Text Editor"
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

On Sep 9, 2009, at 5:49 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > On Wed, 9 Sep 2009, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > >> Now that cut/copy/paste works in all object boxes, comments, etc. >> on all platforms, is there any reason to keep the "Text Editor"? > > Shift+arrows : select > Ctrl+arrows : skip words > Shift+Ctrl+arrows : both > Home, End > Shift+Home, Shift+End. > Triple-click (should select a whole line). > > I probably forgot some other things. Some of those things are there already, like Home, End, Ctrl-a/Ctrl-e emacs bindings, and I think I could add the others with a 'bind'. Matju, in DD you are embedding a full 'text' widget into the canvas using a window? .hc ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free software means someone else controls that, and to some extent controls you." - Richard M. Stallman

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pix_image & memory use
by enrique franco 09 Sep '09

09 Sep '09

Hello, I have a problem loading images into the pix_image object. It seems that anytime I load a picture it fills the RAM memory, even if I load the same image every time (I just need one image at a time). Is there a way to empty the memory when I change the image? There is a point when the memory is full and PD shuts down. I´m attaching the patch. Any ideas? Cheers, -- Enrique Franco Telefono/Phone: +572 5552334 ext 388 Webpage: http://richie.idc.ul.ie/~enrique/

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Re: [PD] Pd-list Digest, Vol 54, Issue 38
by enrique franco 09 Sep '09

09 Sep '09

> > Hello Iohannes, > Please look at the answers below... > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 09:13:39 +0200 > From: IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig(a)iem.at> > Subject: Re: [PD] pix_image & memory use > To: pd-list(a)iem.at > Message-ID: <4AA755A3.5020707(a)iem.at> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > enrique franco wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I have a problem loading images into the pix_image object. It seems that > > anytime I load a picture it fills the RAM memory, even if I load the same > > image every time (I just need one image at a time). Is there a way to > empty > > the memory when I change the image? There is a point when the memory is > full > > and PD shuts down. > > > > I?m attaching the patch. > > [counter] cannot create. > > please be more specific about your setup: > - OS > MAC OS 10.5.2 (IMAC, 1GB Ram memory) > - Gem-version 0.91.1 > , Pd-version > 0.40.3-extended > - the order of magnitude of number of images you are trying to load > 10...one at a time > - size of images > 10KB-50KB > - amount of RAM increased each time you load an image > 1-2MB > > does the problem persist if you disconnect [pix_image] from whatever > comes afterwards? > Yes Enrique

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