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pd-extended for ALT Linux
by Timur Batyrshin 16 Oct '09

16 Oct '09

I have built RPM of pd-extended (0.42.5 from SVN) for ALT Linux recently. It is available through standard apt-get/synaptic or from http://www.sisyphus.ru/en/srpm/Sisyphus/pd/get though I don't think it will work and even install on other distributions but ALT Linux. You can also check my git I build RPM from if interested: http://git.altlinux.org/people/erthad/packages/pd-extended.git

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Re: [PD] Binfile (was Turning non-audio data feeds into audio)
by Jerome Covington 16 Oct '09

16 Oct '09

Right. Well then how can I add mrpeach to the libdir_loader that runs in the log console at startup? On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:28 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans(a)at.or.at>wrote: > > I think you meant to CC the list. That's a configuration that I think > causes problems down the line. > > On Oct 14, 2009, at 7:40 PM, Jerome Covington wrote: > > How do I configure PD extended so that mrpeach and all other included > libraries and extensions are loaded every time I start it up? > -- > Regards, > Jerome Covington > . . . . : . . . . : > "define audio development" > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans(a)at.or.at>wrote: > >> >> In Pd-extended 0.41.4, just load it like this: [mrpeach/binfile]. Its >> included. >> >> .hc >> >> On Oct 13, 2009, at 10:49 PM, Jerome Covington wrote: >> >> Done, I the file named binfile.pd_darwin in the PD app package in the >> directory path you provided. Should I name the file something else? I'm on >> an Intel Mac. Still no audio though I can see in the log window that >> messages are being sent when I use your binDATApayer program. >> >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:33 PM, <alan.dubdub(a)googlemail.com> wrote: >> >>> Im on a mac so everything is hidden inside the app package, which is a >>> folder really. >>> I go to application> right click/ ctrl click on the file and select "show >>> content" then put the binary in contents/resources/extra >>> >>> If you on linux it should be work the same (being Unix and all) but not >>> sure about windows i am afraid >>> >>> Does anyone have any suggestions to get binfile.pd working on windows / >>> linux?? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> marius. >>> >>> On 13 Oct 2009 02:21, Jerome Covington <info(a)thespacebetweenthewords.org> >>> wrote: >>> > I can't seem to find this directory. >>> > >>> > ~/pd/contents/resources/extra >>> > >>> > >>> > Should I create that directory structure myself? And if so where does >>> it go? >>> > >>> > >>> > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:54 PM, alan brooker >>> alan.dubdub(a)googlemail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > darn! I think it may have something to do with the binfile.pd which is >>> > >>> > an external from Mr.Peaches-for some reason the binary doesn't get >>> > >>> > found by PD- I attach a copy for OSX- if you add it to >>> > >>> > ~/pd/contents/resources/extra (don't put in in the the mrpeach folder >>> > >>> > because cant find it). I m not too sure where binaries are for other >>> > >>> > os >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Basically If the binfile gets working it is a good way to make sound >>> > >>> > based on computer data, as opposed to just playing the raw file of a >>> > >>> > jpeg -thank for looking :) >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On 10/12/09, Jerome Covington info(a)thespacebetweenthewords.org> wrote: >>> > >>> > > Hey, I can get the visualization to work, but not the "audioization". >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 4:53 PM, The Space Between the Words >>> > > info(a)thespacebetweenthewords.org> wrote: >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >> Thanks, Alan! >>> > >>> > >> >>> > >>> > >> I will take a look at your binary conversion patch first chance I >>> get. >>> > >>> > >> >>> > >>> > >> Regards, >>> > >>> > >> Jerome >>> > >>> > >> >>> > >>> > >> >>> > >>> > >> On Oct 11, 2009, at 7:40 PM, alan brooker >>> alan.dubdub(a)googlemail.com> >>> > >>> > >> wrote: >>> > >>> > >> >>> > >>> > >> it's better if you can recognise the stock price in the music, >>> > >>> > >>> because if you can't, you could have taken that data from anywhere >>> > >>> > >>> else and it wouldn't matter, so why would you call it stockmarket >>> > >>> > >>> music then?... >>> > >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > >>> I agree fully- the point in which the output is true to it's >>> source >>> > >>> > >>> and making something sound good is tricky and down to skill- >>> > >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > >>> I worked on a simple patch that created audio from binary data from >>> > >>> > >>> loaded files and I am trying to make good sounds from the patch in >>> > >>> > >>> different ways continually- half the fun though!(a work in >>> progress! >>> > >>> > >>> contains osx app and pd patch for other os- uses Mr.Peaches >>> binfile): >>> > >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > >>> >>> http://databodega.googlecode.com/files/bin_data_application.macosx%20.zip >>> > >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > >>> On 10/11/09, Jerome Covington info(a)thespacebetweenthewords.org> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > >>>> Excellent, Mathieu. >>> > >>> > >>>> I have a lifetime of experience in music to inform the aesthetics >>> well. >>> > >>> > >>>> >>> > >>> > >>>> Now I just need more on the "how", and to that extent I am very >>> > >>> > >>>> interested >>> > >>> > >>>> in process within this community. >>> > >>> > >>>> >>> > >>> > >>>> -- >>> > >>> > >>>> Regards, >>> > >>> > >>>> Jerome Covington >>> > >>> > >>>> . . . . : . . . . : >>> > >>> > >>>> "define audio development" >>> > >>> > >>>> >>> > >>> > >>>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Mathieu Bouchard >>> matju(a)artengine.ca >>> > >>> > >>>> >wrote: >>> > >>> > >>>> >>> > >>> > >>>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2009, Jerome Covington wrote: >>> > >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>> > >>>>> Is anyone interested in sharing their process for turning >>> real-time, >>> > >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> non-audio data feeds, into music? See a great example of one >>> possible >>> > >>> > >>>>>> direction, here. >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>> > >>>>> Coïncidentally, I wrote some thoughts about it in the Pd chatroom >>> a few >>> > >>> > >>>>> hours before your email, because of a similar topic there: >>> > >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>> > >>>>> « >>> > >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>> > >>>>> musical meaningfulness comes from meaningfulness of the data >>> > >>> > >>>>> beforehand... >>> > >>> > >>>>> basically, if you put garbage in, you get garbage out. >>> > >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>> > >>>>> the exception to that is that a programme is a kind of data in >>> itself, >>> > >>> > >>>>> so >>> > >>> > >>>>> the programme can be considered a kind of meaningful input... and >>> if >>> > >>> > >>>>> the >>> > >>> > >>>>> programme imposes itself as the source of the meaning and >>> successfully >>> > >>> > >>>>> downplays the incoming garbage, it can make the output >>> meaningful; >>> > >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>> > >>>>> but unless one is very skilled at understanding the information >>> theory >>> > >>> > >>>>> standpoint of music, using random values gives you just more >>> > >>> > >>>>> meaningless >>> > >>> > >>>>> music like what you are talking about... sort of like picking a >>> random >>> > >>> > >>>>> book >>> > >>> > >>>>> from the library of babel. >>> > >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>> > >>>>> » >>> > >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>> > >>>>> http://vimeo.com/5415629 >>> > >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>> > >>>>> now this is what I add to my above thoughts, this time in >>> relationship >>> > >>> > >>>>> to >>> > >>> > >>>>> the video: without necessarily explicitly thinking about >>> information >>> > >>> > >>>>> theory, >>> > >>> > >>>>> one can get to interesting results intuitively... one essentially >>> has >>> > >>> > >>>>> to >>> > >>> > >>>>> focus on getting beautiful results for likely inputs instead of >>> being >>> > >>> > >>>>> content with whatever fits with the description of a certain art >>> > >>> > >>>>> concept. >>> > >>> > >>>>> Any former stock-market music I had listened to sounded like >>> crap. What >>> > >>> > >>>>> Patrick did was to make his programme insert so much beauty and >>> > >>> > >>>>> coherence >>> > >>> > >>>>> in >>> > >>> > >>>>> the market's noise, that it made it sound meaningful... actually, >>> it's >>> > >>> > >>>>> more >>> > >>> > >>>>> like this: the programme can only output music that sounds >>> reasonably >>> > >>> > >>>>> good >>> > >>> > >>>>> no matter the input, and the meaningless input selects one of the >>> > >>> > >>>>> possible >>> > >>> > >>>>> nice-sounding outputs. Overall, the music is more shaped by >>> Patrick's >>> > >>> > >>>>> æsthetic decisions than by the stock market, and it's perfect >>> like >>> > >>> > >>>>> that. >>> > >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>> > >>>>> so, Jérôme, I would mostly just suggest that you make patches so >>> that >>> > >>> > >>>>> the >>> > >>> > >>>>> results sound fairly good no matter the input you give them, and >>> > >>> > >>>>> optionally, >>> > >>> > >>>>> if you can make the input also recognisable in the output, it's a >>> bonus >>> > >>> > >>>>> feature that can feel very rewarding, but it depends on the >>> context... >>> > >>> > >>>>> for >>> > >>> > >>>>> feeding stockmarket data it may not matter as much, but for live >>> > >>> > >>>>> interactive >>> > >>> > >>>>> data from performers or visitors, they have to recognise their >>> own >>> > >>> > >>>>> impact >>> > >>> > >>>>> on >>> > >>> > >>>>> the music, else the point is going to be lost on them, really. >>> but even >>> > >>> > >>>>> for >>> > >>> > >>>>> stockmarket data, it's better if you can recognise the stock >>> price in >>> > >>> > >>>>> the >>> > >>> > >>>>> music, because if you can't, you could have taken that data from >>> > >>> > >>>>> anywhere >>> > >>> > >>>>> else and it wouldn't matter, so why would you call it stockmarket >>> music >>> > >>> > >>>>> then?... >>> > >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>> > >>>>> so maybe you wanted people to explain their actual processes, but >>> I >>> > >>> > >>>>> hope >>> > >>> > >>>>> that you will also enjoy this reflexion on the question of what >>> might >>> > >>> > >>>>> make >>> > >>> > >>>>> processes be good or not. >>> > >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>> > >>>>> _ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ... >>> > >>> > >>>>> | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801 >>> > >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>> > >>>> >>> > >>> > >>>> >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > -- >>> > >>> > > Regards, >>> > >>> > > Jerome Covington >>> > >>> > > . . . . : . . . . : >>> > >>> > > "define audio development" >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Regards, >>> > Jerome Covington >>> > . . . . : . . . . : >>> > "define audio development" >>> > >>> > >>> > >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Jerome Covington >> . . . . : . . . . : >> "define audio development" >> _______________________________________________ >> Pd-list(a)iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Using ReBirth is like trying to play an 808 with a long stick. -David >> Zicarelli >> >> >> > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; > my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my > telephone." --Bjarne Stroustrup (creator of C++) > > -- Regards, Jerome Covington . . . . : . . . . : "define audio development"

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nrpn
by Silvio Almeida 16 Oct '09

16 Oct '09

hi list. can you please help me find the elusive nprnin/out object? if not then is there a better way to achieve the same results(midi non-registered parameter numbers)? thanks S.Al. _________________________________________________________________ Obtenha 30 Emoticons grátis para o seu Windows Live Messenger http://www.livemessenger-emoticons.com/funfamily/pt-pt/

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osculator cpu use
by Jose Luis Santorcuato 15 Oct '09

15 Oct '09

Dear friends, thanks for the old comments and help, now... i am working with osculator and wii.... no problem with Gem... but the sound sucks!... only a frecuency... with osc~... the Gem process is more hard than audio... why the cpu use says 94%?... Thanks a lot Saludos de Chile JOsé -- http://www.chilemigra.cl http://arselectronicachile.blogspot.com http://www.myspace.com/santorcuato

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Re: [PD] pd and openCV
by Loic Kessous 15 Oct '09

15 Oct '09

well, for those interested...but maybe it's a dev subject... On 2 oct. 09, at 18:46, ydegoyon(a)gmail.com wrote: > > estimado Loic, > > i don't have an idea of what you men by 'Jean Yves implementation'. > i never saw it posted anywhere > and where is the code? here is Jean-Yves's stuff,it has been posted on the pd-list : Projet CVlib : openCV (computer vision lib) dans pure data | Free ... - [ Translate this page ] 21 fév 2009 ... Le projet CvLib consiste en un framework de développement multiplateformes pour faciliter l'implémentation dans Pure Data des ... s184785159.onlinehome.fr/drupal/?q=node/167 - Cached - Similar i > > apart from this we try to make things easy for the people > and not a head-breaking library like gridflow is. > and that can only be used by scientifics.. yes, I see, this is an important thing, of course. > > tom schouten already went in that direction > and i totally disagree with it what do you mean by this? are you talking about pdp? Is pdp send a pointer from one external to another ? later, loic > > ciao, > sevy > > Loic Kessous wrote: >> Dear Lluis and Yves, >> >> I'm reading your paper about openCV from the pdconf, and I was >> thinking about a few things that I'd like to share with you. >> >> Some month ago I work on a project with pd and openCV and I observe >> that there was quit different approaches... >> >> with different advantage regarding platforms and implementations, >> including the use of flext o not apparently also. >> >> I recompiled and test for different purposes those different ones: >> pix_ , pdp_ and the one from Jean-Yves Gratius, and also some new >> experiment from myself (which the idea was to use openCV for >> display and video acquisition, this works more or less depending on >> the platform and configuration). >> >> ...this on MSW, Ubuntu and os X..., which tend to show that the >> cross-platform issue is not so obvious :) >> >> one very interesting thing with Jean-Yves approach is that from one >> external to another only a pointer (the one of the OpenCV image) is >> passed, and not the full image as (except if I'm confusing) with >> pix_ or pdp_ . But this need to compile the external as a full >> library (well it is like this in his implementation, I don't know >> if there is a issue to avoid this), and understanding the code and >> writing new codes is diiferent, I would say more complicated. >> This may make things more complicated for people who want to >> improve the library but just want to add new externals and not deal >> with all the lib. >> >> He use code:block to compile it, which is both a advantage and an >> inconvenient: >> it took me more sometime to understand it, make link to flex, pd, >> gem...but then it is in a way comfortable, and it is cross-platform. >> >> I wonder if it should not be possible to keep the idea to pass only >> the openCV image pointer (much more efficient) but using an >> approach closer to pix_ or pdp_ . From another project, I heard >> that there was some work about using shared memory in max and pd >> for similar issue. do you have any idea about this? >> >> Best, >> >> Loïc >> >> >> >

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turn abstractions into subpatches
by info＠timvets.net 15 Oct '09

15 Oct '09

hi all, just an idea: This would be a feature I would like: Turn all abstractions used in a patch into subpatches, replacing the "$1's" in objects inside by the actual assigned numbers or arguments. That way you could more esily distribute a patch as one file. Tim

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Cubemixer compiling error
by Konstantinos Benardis 15 Oct '09

15 Oct '09

Hi list, I tried to compile Cubemixer from source (svn) in Fedora 10, by doing make in /src and i get this error: make -C pd/src make[1]: Entering directory `/home/kostis/CUBEmixer/src/pd/src' make[1]: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/kostis/CUBEmixer/src/pd/src' make: *** [pd/bin/pd] Error 2 in /home/kostis/CUBEmixer/pd/src there is a makefile.in makefile.nt and makefile.clean but no Makefile. Am i doing something wrong? Many thanks

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Report on Pd-0.43.0-devel-windowsxp-i386.exe on windows xp
by João Pais 15 Oct '09

15 Oct '09

Hi, I installed the version on the title, and started doing some work with it. Here is a list of issues, big and small, as I go along: - lots of extra calls in the console while doing normal actions (new file, etc. etc.). won't list them all, I guess it might be a debugging thing. - alt-[key] doesn't work on menus? alt-f should make file menu open - path+startup windows with too small font size - text editor doesn't work, is he already gone? data properties' editor works. - don't know what popup mode is and saw no obvious difference - but I didn't bother to look for it as well - nice new design for the windows - in the past I asked for pd to save window position also when windows are saved on a 2nd screen (windows were always displayed on the 1st screen). today this backfired, as while working with 1 screen (on a "2-screen" patch) not all windows of the patch were visible. canvas values were "#N canvas 1422 54" on pd file. While I salute the possibilty of having windows automatically appear on multiple screens, how about also making sure that they appear only in 1 screen of there aren't any more? E.g. if this window's X value is 1422 and my x resolution is 1400, probably subtracting the screen resolution of the window value should be enough. can tcl/tk get these elements? Another representation of what I meant: if canvasres >= screenres, then canvasres=canvasres-screenres (apply to both x and y) - some automatic redrawing while mousing over data structures (no edit mode, no clicking, just moving the mouse). sliders blink, and uses cpu for redrawing. - I get the impression that redrawing of data structures with toggle in the inlet (i.e. visible/invisible) is slower now. maybe just an impression? but anyway, is it possible to enhance this, is the gui work related with that? - I use the [hcs/sys_gui] command to make my own color scheme (white is too agressive) and to place the pd window on a corner (wm geometry). These don't work now, are they going to be obsolete, or they have to adapt to the new tcl code? - font window: only works on patch if it's opened on a (any) patch window. if I do it from pd window, only affects pd window. - x and y, x only + y only have all the same result. but I think that was the normal behaviour before anyway (never used this feature) - I can only use courier now, wasn't verdana the latest standard? (maybe not) - when I do a find in a pd window, it looks in the whole patch. wasn't it before that it only looked deeper from the call window, instead of the whole patch? (i.e., if I do find on the subpatch "aaa", it only searches on patches deeper than it) In case I was dreaming before, is it possible to make find work on a deep-only modus? I think this might be more logical for big patches (one can always go to the grandparent patch to search the whole thing) - nice touch the "search in xxx.pd for" - what's exactly the "match whole work only" for? I searched for an incomplete string ("edit-ind" instead of "edit-index"), and neither of them found "edit-ind". besides for obvious purposes, this would be useful to find objects that have a $0 before - as replacing $0 by its number doesn't work in the search function. - audio meters (in sc style?) are nice. but: - is it possible to start them in any menu/command besides the clickbox? - out button in connected to the actual sound volume of the system, and not to pd dac~ output (independently of how many there are). the latter would make more sense. - dragging of patch fragments (several objects) around the canvas: works better in display purposes, but still uses lots of cpu (maybe even more?). anything can be done about that? - Help->About: Pd doesn't work (so I can't tell exactly which version it is) - Help->Html manual: opens up in internet explorer instead of opening up in my standard browser. that didn't happen before - Help->Browser: "ERROR: menu_doc_browser non-directory" pops up in the console. But the browser works. Btw, would it be possible to add scalable windows + key follow in the browser? (with key follow I mean that pressing "b" takes me to the first file with b in the window, "ba" to "ba...", etc etc Anything else specific you want to be checked, Hans? JoÃ£o -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 Studio +49 30 69509190 jmmmpais(a)googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp

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gp2xPd install issues
by Matthew Logan 15 Oct '09

15 Oct '09

I sent this already as a reply to the Open Mobile Platform discussion, but I think it got overlooked as OT.... Has anyone had any issues with installing gp2xPd? I can't get this thing to work. I'm on Firmware 3.0.0, on the F100(B). I put the python folder from the pygame package on my sd root per the instructions on Chris McCormick's site. I put the gp2xPd folder in my sd/games folder and try to open the bigtest.gpe. I get a black screen for a few seconds then a white screen that lasts until I move the joystick, at which point it kicks me back to the GP2X menu. I'd really like to get this thing to work, but have run out of ideas. Please help me out! Thanks, Matt Logan

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gem compiling error
by Jaime Oliver 15 Oct '09

15 Oct '09

hello all, I am compiling gem in a macbook pro using osx 10.6 and pd-0.42-5 and latest Gem from cvs downloaded yesterday, I get the following error when compiling, any suggestions? best, J GemPixImageLoad.cpp:70: error: ‘GraphicsImportComponent’ was not declared in this scope GemPixImageLoad.cpp: In function ‘imageStruct* image2mem(const char*)’: GemPixImageLoad.cpp:96: error: ‘GraphicsImportComponent’ was not declared in this scope GemPixImageLoad.cpp:96: error: expected `;' before ‘importer’ GemPixImageLoad.cpp:104: error: ‘struct FSSpec’ has no member named ‘name’ GemPixImageLoad.cpp:106: error: ‘struct FSSpec’ has no member named ‘parID’ GemPixImageLoad.cpp:109: error: ‘::GetGraphicsImporterForFile’ has not been declared GemPixImageLoad.cpp:109: error: ‘importer’ was not declared in this scope GemPixImageLoad.cpp:111: error: ‘struct FSSpec’ has no member named ‘name’ GemPixImageLoad.cpp:115: error: ‘importer’ was not declared in this scope GemPixImageLoad.cpp:115: error: ‘QTImage2mem’ cannot be used as a function GemPixImageLoad.cpp: At global scope: GemPixImageLoad.cpp:212: error: redefinition of ‘imageStruct* QTImage2mem’ GemPixImageLoad.cpp:70: error: ‘imageStruct* QTImage2mem’ previously defined here GemPixImageLoad.cpp:212: error: ‘GraphicsImportComponent’ was not declared in this scope make[1]: *** [GemPixImageLoad.o] Error 1 make: *** [Base] Error 2 -- Jaime E Oliver LR joliverl(a)ucsd.edu www.realidadvisual.org/jaimeoliver www-crca.ucsd.edu/ www.realidadvisual.org 858 202 1522 9168 Regents Rd. Apt. G La Jolla, CA 92037 USA

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