Pd-list March 2007

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libjack0.100.0-0 needed for newest extended - Kubuntu loop!
by Mark Pasquesi 09 Mar '07

09 Mar '07

pd ext needs libjack.100.0-0 which needs libc6 which needs libasound2_1.0.13-2 which needs tzdata and libnettle2_1.15. Libnettle needs tzdata, tzdata needs libnettle when installed with pike 7.6 core; when tzdata is installed alone, this it is blocked by a broken pipe with a Canadia installation??? I'm chasing my tail here. Any workarounds - or Kubuntu update needed? thanks, Mark ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097

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Re: [PD] in Pd-0.39.2-extended-test7 msg 'reset' and 'clear' doesn?t work as before
by robbert van hulzen 09 Mar '07

09 Mar '07

i had trouble counting myself... see http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2006-11/044431.html for another one of fb's great tutorials. another thing that may help, afaik, is to specify which counter you're using: rather than [counter], create eg [markex/counter], [cyclone/counter]. cheers, robbert > Hallo, > Jukka Boehm hat gesagt: // Jukka Boehm wrote: > >> in Pd-0.39.2-extended-test7 msg 'reset' and 'clear' doesn?t work as >> before. >> error: counter: no method for 'reset' >> ... you might be able to track this down from the Find menu. >> error: counter: no method for 'clear' >> >> is there a new help-file available? > > Which [counter] are you using? There are many [counter] objects and > they are incompatible, so many in fact, that I would advise against > using any of these at all! > > Better use [f ]x[+ 1] or [f ]x[+ 1]x[mod 16] if you know what I mean. > > Ciao > -- > Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__

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Re: [PD] PD-list Digest, Vol 24, Issue 41
by Jukka Boehm 09 Mar '07

09 Mar '07

Thank you, I got the point, that help-files in the context-menu of an object are not necessariely linked to the correspondig "doc.Resource". Yes,- I´am using the counter described in "cyclone". In "test4" the counter was working like in the "markex" -help-file shown. "/Pd-0.39.2-extended-test7.app/Contents/Resources/doc/5.reference/ cyclone/counter.pd" "/Pd-0.39.2-extended-test7.app/Contents/Resources/doc/5.reference/ markex/counter-help.pd" Ciao -- Jukka Am 8.3.07 um 16:20 schrieb pd-list-request(a)iem.at: > >> in Pd-0.39.2-extended-test7 msg 'reset' and 'clear' doesn?t work as >> before. >> error: counter: no method for 'reset' >> ... you might be able to track this down from the Find menu. >> error: counter: no method for 'clear' >> >> is there a new help-file available? > > Which [counter] are you using? There are many [counter] objects and > they are incompatible, so many in fact, that I would advise against > using any of these at all! > > Better use [f ]x[+ 1] or [f ]x[+ 1]x[mod 16] if you know what I mean.

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generative patches on mobile phones?
by yukio kuroiwa 09 Mar '07

09 Mar '07

hi, sorry for this stupid question... is a way of making generative pd patches for mobile phones? or is there any other alternative of creating generative music for mobile phones that support java? any idea? many thanx yukio -- yukio kuroiwa yukio_kuroiwa(a)fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The professional email service

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time-to-symbol
by Orm Finnendahl 09 Mar '07

09 Mar '07

Hi, attached is a small utility for a time display on a canvas for anyone interested, -- Orm

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[PD-announce] Pduino 0.3 release
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 09 Mar '07

09 Mar '07

http://at.or.at/hans/pd/objects.html You can read all about the protocol design here: http://www.arduino.cc/playground/Interfacing/Sensorbox Here are some key changes: - new MIDI-based protocol - rebuilt from scratch, cleaner and smaller code - timer-based loop to poll analogIns and serial - the firmware will report its version, and blink the version at boot - reduced serial speed to 57600 to work around glitches - Makefile to build from command line Hopefully this works better, test it out and let me know. .hc ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith _______________________________________________ PD-announce mailing list PD-announce(a)iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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law bla bla (was:Re: Percolate)
by marius schebella 09 Mar '07

09 Mar '07

law is not such a high above religion or a well hidden secret. you can read about court decisions, there are some videos on google at al, so I can only encourage everybody to start reading. plus: things are really changing and adapting to new situations (although slowly). but courts are aware of new forms of groupings and common workflows. usually such cases can't be generalized. like if you use software which is released under uncertain licences, then the court will look at for which purpose did you use the software, how big was the market effect (like did you make money with it, or did the author lose money by the infringement). and so on. It is true that laws are different in different countries, but for me it is also true that we live in civilized cultures and there is a "feeling" for what is right and what not... marius. there is also a problem that who will be sueing when some On Mar 8, 2007, at 5:14 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: > > Chris McCormick wrote: >> >> >> >> What does it mean if they violate the GPL and do so anyway? What >> >> does it >> >> mean for people who use the software? > > > > the problem is, that asking this questions is not as simple (i think, > > being no lawyer myself). > > > > it is rather: > > what does it mean to ... in the US? what does it meant to ... in > > austria? what does it meant to ... in germany? and so forth. > > > > (there probably (but who knows...) will be little differences between > > the austrian and german legal state, but i am pretty sure that there > > will be major differences between the anglo-american and the european > > way. (and other ways too, but about these i know even less) I think that they are not as big as you'd guess because there are international treaties that are all about making these laws work in the same ways across borders. Copyright, patents, and trademarks act quite similarly in all countries that participate in these treaties (which is most). >> >> It's confusing, which is why a real lawyer is needed to answer these >> >> questions. > > > > this is why it would require a host of lawyers. > > and that is the fun part of all this. > > > > things are certainly better in CreativeCommons (among other things > > because they are less u.s.-centric than the FSF). Hmm, that's debatable. They don't have a license without an attribution clause, it's not even an option. And the CC attribution clause is much worse than the BSD attribution clause ever was. .hc > > > > > > mfgasd.r > > IOhannes > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ > > listinfo/pd-list ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- http://at.or.at/hans/ _______________________________________________ PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

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[PD-announce] Patching Circle in Brooklyn
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 09 Mar '07

09 Mar '07

http://idmi.poly.edu/node/119 We spend enough time alone staring at our computers; we are proposing to work together. So often issues that arise when working can be solved with a quick two minute discussion that would take hours to solve alone. We have Dorkbot to see people's work, we have Share where anyone can play, we have workshops and universities to learn from. But we don't have a meeting where we all can come to work. This is an informal gathering of patching and patchers (Max/MSP/ Jitter, Pure Data, and even jMax, EyesWeb, vvvv, etc.). Beginners and Experienced welcome. Work on projects, school work, ask for help, help others, or just patch quietly to yourself, in a room full of other people patching patches and helping other people patch. This Thursday, the 15th from 6pm til we are done. Rogers Hall, room 207 (building A on the directions page) IDMI/Polytechnic University Six MetroTech Center (Jay St btw Johnson and Willoughby) downtown Brooklyn 718 260 3693 (you might have to call to get in) Maps: http://tinyurl.com/ye5c53 - http://tinyurl.com/3al4sm http://www.poly.edu/directions/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. - Benjamin Franklin _______________________________________________ PD-announce mailing list PD-announce(a)iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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GEM fullscreen on OS X primary screen
by Sciss 09 Mar '07

09 Mar '07

hi, i have the following problem : i'm running an installation with video projection from a mac mini. i can't get the menu bar disappear with GEM window in fullscreen mode. the mac mini doesn't have a second graphics card output so i have to use the main screen which normally has the mac os menubar. i can hide the dock and using [cursor 0( i can hide the mouse cursor, but even with [fullscreen 0(, the menu bar doesn't go away. thanks for help! ciao, -sciss-

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Re: [PD] PD Workshop files
by Pete Redest 09 Mar '07

09 Mar '07

I am also new to this list, so that I won't make many judgements about what is "off" here. I intuit that asking for downloading tutorial files that are learning materials for the main topic of the list, is not "off topic". But again, I am neither a list veteran nor a list admin. Just one more "Joe" around here. Anyways, for the benefit of Jared and of others interested in downloading the examples/tutorial/workshop from CVS, I am attaching a script, which surely can be adjusted/improved in several ways. The script is just what worked for me. It attempts to save some time in the download process by not using a large parameter -l (directory depth), which has a multiplicative impact on the time/space performance. It is a very rough first-cut thing. Only a couple of comments about the script. I ran this in FC5. During my PhD research on usage of wget (it is about a PhD), I found a couple of annoying bugs in the Fedora Core 5 version of wget (like the semantics of the -nc parameter buggily changed by RedHat: the program stops/"Abort"/bails out when given -nc and it finds an already downloaded file - not the wget intended semantics, and some strange behaviour of the -X (exclude) parameter). So basically, in Fedora Core 5 the download can not be resumed, it needs to be restarted from scratch. Not much to complain here as Fedora is a beta version of a product, not a final product. The above is bad news: this download takes about 5+ hours on a DSL line at 500Mbps: The total data transmitted is about 500MB (that's right: 1/2 GB). That is because of the vast CVS web interface auto-generated html material present that needs to be downloaded. The script keeps only the desired .pd and some other (.png, .txt, etc.) files. The .html overhead files are not saved. By far, this is a rather absurd way to download the examples, but given that IOhannes suggests, then who am I to object it ... It would be beneficial to have a simple tgz package that can be downloaded in 40 seconds (the true size of the working files is like 5MB (1% of the communication). This package could be updated once-a-month, say, and posted for easy download. I can prepare such if that is deemed appropriate by the bosses. The short answer to your problem, Jared, is that wget honors the "robots.txt" file already mentioned in this thread. To get this download to work, you need to use the -erobots=off parameter. The rest of the params are "fine tuned" details. Look at the man page for details. All that said, hope that the script is of help to Jared and others. Peter >From: "jared" <microcosm11(a)msn.com> >To: "'IOhannes m zmoelnig'" <zmoelnig(a)iem.at> >CC: pd-list(a)iem.at >Subject: Re: [PD] PD Workshop files >Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:17:02 -0000 > >Okay. You've successfully scared me away. I don't feel the need to >justify myself or my confusion. > >Someone obviously realizes that they are being rude if they feel the >need to say 'I hope I do not sound too rude'. > >Leaving the computer screen every once in a while is a good thing. It >helps you communicate better with humans. > >My apologies to those on the list for any inconveniences that I might >have caused with continuing this thread in the main list instead of the >off topic list. > >Good luck. > >-----Original Message----- >From: IOhannes m zmoelnig [mailto:zmoelnig@iem.at] >Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 8:19 AM >To: jared >Cc: pd-list(a)iem.at >Subject: Re: [PD] PD Workshop files > >jared wrote: > > > > > >>Seems like it worked and you already have the files. > > > >>Have a look in your current working directory. > > > > > > > > Okay, I checked my working directory. The only thing it seems >to > > be downloading is the index page...not files within--in my working > > directory, I only have an explorer link to the index page > > >whoa! > >your problem is _exactly_ described in the wget faq, of which i posted a >link several days ago. > >please see http://www.gnu.org/software/wget/faq.html#3.0 > >(to be honest, i anticipated this problem; that is why i directed you to >the faq) > > > >furthermore, if you do have problems with any software that is unrelated >to pd (e.g. proper inline quotes in emails) and you really want to ask >people here, then i suggest to use pd-ot, a mailing list dedicated to >off topic stuff. >(and yes, you should have been informed that such list exists, either >via the mail response when subscribing to pd-list or via the >webinterface where you did subscribe) > > >that said, i hope i do not sound too rude and wish you good luck (sic!). > >mfg.ar >IOhannes > > > > > > > > >>Please could you post the exact command line given > > > >>and we can see any possible errors. > > > > > > > > See attached tif file. Thanks guys! > > > > jared > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > >_______________________________________________ >PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list >UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAV…

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