Pd-list November 2007

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russian pdpedia
by danja vasiliev 04 Nov '07

04 Nov '07

hi there, taking on this ultimately nice initiative of pdpedia i'd like to talk for the russian part of pd users. so far i know only few of them but im sure they are out there being hit by the brownian motion of pd particles. i can translate the main/english tread of pdpedia in to russian and keep it updated, also would keep eye on some russian specifics (if there are any...? utf..phhh). -- _|_ danja vasiliev ---(*)--- http://k0a1a.net/recent " ' " +31-64-2654486 --

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TkWidget library
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 03 Nov '07

03 Nov '07

I've been working a bunch on GUIs recently, especially [entry], so I decided to start a standard library: TkWidget. There are already a number of half-complete Tk-based GUI objects in Pd (entry, popup, ticker, button, image), this library aims to be a direct port of the Tk widgets to Pd, with all of the Tk options exposed in Pd so that they are very flexible and configurable. I started a wiki page to start documenting ideas: http://puredata.info/dev/TkWidget Please add ideas, comments, etc and if you would like to help with this, join in! The next thing to for GUIs after this is to extend tclpd so that you can write totally custom GUI objects completely in Tcl/Tk. .hc ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- Using ReBirth is like trying to play an 808 with a long stick. - David Zicarelli

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Files attached and the archive of this mailing list
by Javier Garcia 03 Nov '07

03 Nov '07

Hi, dont the files attached to mails appear in the archive of this mailing list ( http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/ ) ?? how can i convert a patch to text? br. GARFF _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

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Re: [PD] minimize mac
by info＠timvets.net 03 Nov '07

03 Nov '07

Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > > What do you mean, "resizing does not always help"? > Resizing the window doesn't always cause a scrollbar to appear. Tim > _ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ... > | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada

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(no subject)
by info＠timvets.net 03 Nov '07

03 Nov '07

Sometimes this happens here on ubuntu too. Quite annoying. Resizing does not always help. What I do then is CTRL+a and SHIFT+arrow-keys to move the contents of the patch. = Slow if its a big patch. Dividing your big patch into smaller subpatches is better I guess. Tim marius schebella wrote: > hi, > one possibility is, to open the patch with a texteditor > and edit the first line > the 5 numbers are offset x/y, size x/y, fontsize. > #N canvas 20 20 800 600 10; > marius. > > hard off wrote: >> i feel your pain mate, >> >> i have a mac, and sometimes i get other people's patches, and the >> bottom corner of the patch goes below the bottom of the screen and it >> is impossible to resize. >> >> the workaround i use is to copy the entire patch into a new window and >> 'save as' >> >> if there is a real solution, then i have never heard about it, but i >> have my doubts that it can be fixed with the current way pd is >> implemented. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >

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Difference between import and declare
by Thomas O Fredericks 03 Nov '07

03 Nov '07

What is the difference between import and declare? Pd 0.4 and up, will on of the two be deprecated? Tom

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Re: [PD] PD-list Digest, Vol 32, Issue 7
by Simon Kilshaw 02 Nov '07

02 Nov '07

Have you tried menubar 0 attached to gemwin? -----Original Message----- From: pd-list-bounces(a)iem.at on behalf of pd-list-request(a)iem.at Sent: Fri 11/2/2007 4:18 PM To: pd-list(a)iem.at Subject: PD-list Digest, Vol 32, Issue 7 Send PD-list mailing list submissions to pd-list(a)iem.at To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to pd-list-request(a)iem.at You can reach the person managing the list at pd-list-owner(a)iem.at When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of PD-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: minimize mac (Max Neupert) 2. Re: minimize mac (hard off) 3. Re: hide menubar on Mac OS X/Pd-extended.app (marius schebella) 4. Re: minimize mac (marius schebella) 5. Re: Fun with Lua coroutines (Frank Barknecht) 6. (no subject) (info(a)timvets.net) 7. Re: minimize mac (Mathieu Bouchard) 8. a job posting for Paris (David Schaffer) 9. VBAP, pd-extended, OS X - or distributing players among a ring of speakers (David NG McCallum) 10. Re: minimize mac (info(a)timvets.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 13:41:59 +0100 From: Max Neupert <abonnements(a)revolwear.com> Subject: Re: [PD] minimize mac To: Hans Roels <hans.roels(a)versateladsl.be> Cc: pd-list(a)iem.at Message-ID: <1D019AA8-2990-4EFB-8DE6-C1E03A3823E0(a)revolwear.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed (my) pd windows have a yellow minimize (minus) button in its window bar. but pd uses the minimize command (Apple + M) for the message window instead, so there is no shortcut for it AFAIK sometimes there are no scroll-bars allthough there should be. but that gets resorted as soon as one resizes the window a bit. Am 02.11.2007 um 11:38 schrieb Hans Roels: > hello, > I am used to a windows computer but I have to work on Mac (OS X > 10.3.9) with PD-vanilla (40.2) installed. Often I can't scroll to the > bottom of a big pd-patch, what is the trick to see every part of a > patch in Mac? can you minimize or maximize the windows in PD on Mac? > I tried command + M and these kind of tricks but nothing works, PD > also doensn't have a - or + button in the title bar to > minimize/maximize the window. > I guess there must be a special Mac-trick to solve this... it's very > annoying now! > > hans r ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 22:05:21 +0900 From: "hard off" <hard.off(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [PD] minimize mac To: "Max Neupert" <abonnements(a)revolwear.com> Cc: pd-list(a)iem.at Message-ID: <161320dd0711020605p7d70b1enfa63a5b1f99a9648(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i feel your pain mate, i have a mac, and sometimes i get other people's patches, and the bottom corner of the patch goes below the bottom of the screen and it is impossible to resize. the workaround i use is to copy the entire patch into a new window and 'save as' if there is a real solution, then i have never heard about it, but i have my doubts that it can be fixed with the current way pd is implemented. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 09:10:57 -0400 From: marius schebella <marius.schebella(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [PD] hide menubar on Mac OS X/Pd-extended.app To: Alexandre Quessy <listes(a)sourcelibre.com> Cc: pd-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at Message-ID: <472B21E1.4080003(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi alexandre, I am not sure, if there is such a feature included, but I can help you with what I think is the most recent build of os x 10.3; http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=55736&package_id=76013 marius. Alexandre Quessy wrote: > Hi ! Nice to read you. > > Talking about the [menubar -1< message to [gemwin] > > > It only works on pd-extended Mac OS X 10.4, and not 10.3, it seems. > Tested on both today. Or, maybe it is only that the build is too old > to have that patch in. Is there a pd-extended or Gem build that has > this feature ? Maybe I should compile it, but installing the build > tools and the libs is not easy as on Linux. :) > > So, will I have to install Tiger, or is there a quicker workaround ? > > Thanks, > a > > > > > 2007/7/12, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans(a)eds.org>: >> Doh! I didn't know that... it would be nice if such things were >> documented. Currently: >> >> hans@palatschinken:~ > grep menubar ~/code/pure-data/Gem/help/* >> hans@palatschinken:~ > >> >> .hc >> >> On Jul 12, 2007, at 12:57 PM, chris clepper wrote: >> >>> [menubar -1( should be the equivalent of what Hans posted. [menubar >>> 0( can lock out the mouse and keyboard. >>> >>> [border 0( will remove the title bar if that shows. >>> >>> On 7/11/07, Max Neupert <abonnements(a)revolwear.com> wrote: >>>> why so complicated if >>>> [menubar 0( >>>> just works? >>>> >>>> Am 11.07.2007 um 15:21 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner: >>>> >>>>> If you've ever wanted to have Gem be full screen on the primary >>>>> screen, I >>>>> have found a way. It's called "LSUIPresentationMode". Basically, >>>>> using >>>>> Property List Editor.app, open Pd-extended.app/Contents/ >>>>> Info.plist. Add a >>>>> "New Child" to "Root". Call that node "LSUIPresentationMode", >>>>> change the >>>>> data type to "Number" and set the data to be "4". Then when you >>>>> launch >>>>> Pd-extended.app, the Menubar and Dock will auto-hide themselves. >>>>> >>>>> Here are some other modes: >>>>> >>>>> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSX/Conceptual/ >>>>> BPRuntimeConfig/Articles/PListKeys.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/ >>>>> 20001431-113616 >>>>> >>>>> .hc >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> zen >>>>> \ >>>>> \ >>>>> \ [D [D [D [D >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list >>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ >>>>> listinfo/pd-list >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ >>>> listinfo/pd-list >>>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> ---- >> >> Mistrust authority - promote decentralization. - the hacker ethic >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> > > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 09:16:39 -0400 From: marius schebella <marius.schebella(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [PD] minimize mac To: hard off <hard.off(a)gmail.com> Cc: pd-list(a)iem.at Message-ID: <472B2337.1080103(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed hi, one possibility is, to open the patch with a texteditor and edit the first line the 5 numbers are offset x/y, size x/y, fontsize. #N canvas 20 20 800 600 10; marius. hard off wrote: > i feel your pain mate, > > i have a mac, and sometimes i get other people's patches, and the > bottom corner of the patch goes below the bottom of the screen and it > is impossible to resize. > > the workaround i use is to copy the entire patch into a new window and > 'save as' > > if there is a real solution, then i have never heard about it, but i > have my doubts that it can be fixed with the current way pd is > implemented. > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:56:40 +0100 From: Frank Barknecht <fbar(a)footils.org> Subject: Re: [PD] Fun with Lua coroutines To: pd-list(a)iem.at Message-ID: <20071102145640.GP28311(a)fliwatut.scifi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hallo, Steffen Juul hat gesagt: // Steffen Juul wrote: > Ah, ok. It was especially the 'BibTex fashion' that got me curious. > Now i know what you mean by 'fashion'. I think. There is no nesting > in BibTeX for what i know of though. > > All that blah blah said i think what your write about the structured- > ness is a good thing, as it allows for a (BibTeX kinda) way of > handling/doing multi diminutional arrays even with strings as keys. > > - Which in a PHP fashion could be like: > > Instruments[bass][tb303][cutoff] = 10 > Instruments[bass][tb303][cf] = 440 > Instruments[drumm] = drummset1 > > Patterns[p1] = "1 0 0 0 1 0 0 1" > Patterns[p2] = "0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0" > > Score[bass] = p1 > Score[drum] = p2 A nice thing with Lua would/could be that many entries actually could be code. For example one could define harmonic voices in the config file as functions like: function major7(n) return {n, n + 4, n + 7, n + 10} end and use this with the instruments: sax(major7(60)) or c = major7(60) sax.play(c) trumpet.play(c) c = minor7(62) sax.play(c) ... I don't know if it makes sense to write a general purpose file loader around this, but I plan to do some examples of this approach. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__ ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 08:30:01 -0700 (PDT) From: info(a)timvets.net Subject: [PD] (no subject) To: hans.roels(a)versateladsl.be Cc: pd-list(a)iem.at Message-ID: <3197.208.97.187.133.1194017401.squirrel(a)mail.timvets.net> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Sometimes this happens here on ubuntu too. Quite annoying. Resizing does not always help. What I do then is CTRL+a and SHIFT+arrow-keys to move the contents of the patch. = Slow if its a big patch. Dividing your big patch into smaller subpatches is better I guess. Tim marius schebella wrote: > hi, > one possibility is, to open the patch with a texteditor > and edit the first line > the 5 numbers are offset x/y, size x/y, fontsize. > #N canvas 20 20 800 600 10; > marius. > > hard off wrote: >> i feel your pain mate, >> >> i have a mac, and sometimes i get other people's patches, and the >> bottom corner of the patch goes below the bottom of the screen and it >> is impossible to resize. >> >> the workaround i use is to copy the entire patch into a new window and >> 'save as' >> >> if there is a real solution, then i have never heard about it, but i >> have my doubts that it can be fixed with the current way pd is >> implemented. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 11:58:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Mathieu Bouchard <matju(a)artengine.ca> Subject: Re: [PD] minimize mac To: info(a)timvets.net Cc: pd-list(a)iem.at Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0711021151380.16526(a)paik.artengine.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, info(a)timvets.net wrote: > Sometimes this happens here on ubuntu too. Quite annoying. > Resizing does not always help. > What I do then is CTRL+a and SHIFT+arrow-keys to move the contents of the > patch. > = Slow if its a big patch. > Dividing your big patch into smaller subpatches is better I guess. Usually on Linux you can resize a window by dragging with Alt+Button3 (right button of mouse) but some window managers set it to Alt+Button2 instead (wheel button or thumb button) and some allow to reconfigure the "Alt" part to something else (e.g. Windows key or Menu key) What do you mean, "resizing does not always help"? _ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - t?l:+1.514.383.3801, Montr?al QC Canada ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 17:12:43 +0100 From: "David Schaffer" <schafferdavid(a)hotmail.com> Subject: [PD] a job posting for Paris To: "pd list" <pd-list(a)iem.at> Message-ID: <BAY143-DAV17CF037D3BDF6087B7BD79BF8D0(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi everibody, I came across this Paris Based Max/Pd programmer job offer on the web today, those of you with C++ knowledge might be interested: http://www.irma.asso.fr/offre15092.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/schafferdavid/ http://audioblog.arteradio.com/David_Schaffer/

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VBAP, pd-extended, OS X - or distributing players among a ring of speakers
by David NG McCallum 02 Nov '07

02 Nov '07

hi! I was trying to get VBAP working in OS X from the latest pd-extended and I seemed to get all sorts of errors that indicated that VBAP is broken in this release. Defining loudspeakers gives the error: error: vbap: no method for 'loudspeaker-matrices' ... which seems kind of weird. [vbap] also seems to have only one inlet. Is that correct? At any rate, what I'm trying to accomplish is to distribute several channels of audio evenly over several speakers (actually, a ring of speakers, to the first and last speakers should share some of the soundfield space). At this point, the number of speakers can be fixed, but the number of channels needs to be variable to accommodate an unknown number of performers. Any thoughts about the brokenness of VBAP or solutions to distributing the audio? Thanks! D!

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Re: [PD] minimize mac
by Max Neupert 02 Nov '07

02 Nov '07

(my) pd windows have a yellow minimize (minus) button in its window bar. but pd uses the minimize command (Apple + M) for the message window instead, so there is no shortcut for it AFAIK sometimes there are no scroll-bars allthough there should be. but that gets resorted as soon as one resizes the window a bit. Am 02.11.2007 um 11:38 schrieb Hans Roels: > hello, > I am used to a windows computer but I have to work on Mac (OS X > 10.3.9) with PD-vanilla (40.2) installed. Often I can't scroll to the > bottom of a big pd-patch, what is the trick to see every part of a > patch in Mac? can you minimize or maximize the windows in PD on Mac? > I tried command + M and these kind of tricks but nothing works, PD > also doensn't have a - or + button in the title bar to > minimize/maximize the window. > I guess there must be a special Mac-trick to solve this... it's very > annoying now! > > hans r

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a job posting for Paris
by David Schaffer 02 Nov '07

02 Nov '07

Hi everibody, I came across this Paris Based Max/Pd programmer job offer on the web today, those of you with C++ knowledge might be interested: http://www.irma.asso.fr/offre15092.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/schafferdavid/ http://audioblog.arteradio.com/David_Schaffer/

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Pd-list November 2007