Pd-list November 2007

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Re: [PD] Midi noteout: changing the instrument
by robbert van hulzen 11 Nov '07

11 Nov '07

this came at exactly the right moment! thanks. :) robbert frank barknecht wrote: > [makenote] "numberbox for channel number" > | / / > [pack 0 0 1] > | > [noteout]

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Reference article for Pdpedia & Templates
by Luke Iannini (pd) 11 Nov '07

11 Nov '07

Hallo, I spent some time working on the Pdpedia. I chose switch~ for the start of a reference article since it's very simple; I think if we can get it looking nice it will be a good step towards describing more complex objects, like the IEMGUIs or [pool]. So, most of my work should be pretty self-explanatory. One question: what is the intent of the "Messages" section? Is this "messages understood by the first inlet"? If so, I guess I should move the "Inlet 0" explanations there and put something like "Inlet 0: 1/0 for DSP On/Off + <Messages>" with a link to that section? I also made some templates called {{msg}} and {{obj}}. You can see them in action at http://wiki.puredata.info/en/switch%7E. The obj template automatically tries to link the object name, so I suggest (if people like them) that that is the preferred "object linking method". The regular [[link]] can be saved for linking to articles not directly about an object. Blurbs on their usage are at http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Help:Contents. When I'm feeling saucy I'll see about doing a version for ascii-art patches. So, it would be nice if everyone could check out and groom the switch~ article so it can be henceforth used as a starting point for cleaning up the rest of the 'pedia. I didn't try using tables yet; maybe they'd be handy for enumerating inlets/outlets etc. Cheers Luke

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Midi noteout: changing the instrument
by Timothy Sikes 11 Nov '07

11 Nov '07

Hi once again. I would first like to say that PD is really fun, and I enjoy learning it. I think to make the most out of PD for me is to learn it's midi uses. I'm hoping to get a midi keyboard sometime, and I'm sure I'll have loads of fun with it... Back to my question. Through some advice from some members of this mailing list (have I said thank you? haha) I've learned some different things, and I've gotten to midi. I would like to get into it a bit more in-depth now. Basically, what I know is that the [makenote (velocity) (pitch] and [noteout (velocity) (pitch) (channel)] does. What I'm trying to figure out now is how to change the instrument. I tried for the longest time to figure it out myself through the tutorials you all have suggested, but I can't find anything! So as a last resort, I'll ask you all how to change the midi instrument. I've read the introduction of midi sent, and it was very helpful. Oh, and what is the proper way to reply to a message if you have the daily digest version? Thanks once again. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook – together at last. Get it now. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL1006269…

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changing the look of Pd to be more readable
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 11 Nov '07

11 Nov '07

I think there is a lot that could be done to the look and feel of Pd that would make it much more efficient and usable. I think it is crucial to avoid flashiness, one of Pd's strengths is its lack of flashiness (no segmented patch cords! ;) But small things can make a big difference. For example, I think the inlet you're about to drop a connection onto should highlight itself, that would make life a lot easier. You can just drag to the middle of the box to connect to and see which inlet is selected instead of having to aim for the tiny inlet. Another thing is having the inlets and outlets look slightly different based on whether they are audio, message, or both. Another thing would be to automatically shape a cord when it is used to feedback to the top of a patch. This is the only time when I think that segmented patch cords are useful. Some of these ideas already exist, maybe in DesireData, maybe in Max/ MSP, maybe jMax, wherever. I'd like to try to come up with a coherent idea of the whole look. Another thing is choosing the line colors, weights, shapes, etc. I've been thinking a bit of how to make a patch more readable. Color, shape, and weight should be used to highlight what is important in the patch. I think that the shapes of the object box vs. the message vs. the atom box are a nice feature. I think that having them drawn in sharp, black lines draws too much attention to the boxes themselves, rather than the text, which is more important. Here are a couple of quick sketches I did, while talking with Roman, vade, and others: http://eds.org/~hans/pdsketch/ I'd like to see other sketches along these ideas. .hc ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- Mistrust authority - promote decentralization. - the hacker ethic

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pd-extended crash on saving
by marius schebella 11 Nov '07

11 Nov '07

hi, pd-extended on OS X 10.5 is not funny. saving causes Pd to crash. intel mac, 10.5, latest autobuild (11/10). marius.

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red dashed border bug (new color theme)
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 11 Nov '07

11 Nov '07

Hey all, For anyone who's tried a recent build, I made objects that don't successfully create have a red border. Previously, they had dashed border with normal color, I added the red. The red part was a bit too eager so it was showing up when you are creating a new object, I think I fixed this by removing a seemingly extraneous "itemconfigure" command. Please test and let me know if that part is working for y'all. .hc ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- All information should be free. - the hacker ethic

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pd's implementation in pdpedia
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 10 Nov '07

10 Nov '07

I just started to take notes of the implementation details of Pd on pdpedia. I think this could be a good place to develop documentation about how Pd's implementation works. Here's my first two attempts. http://wiki.puredata.info/en/t_glist http://wiki.puredata.info/en/t_canvas Ultimately, it probably would make sense to add this info in the form of comments formatted to be parsed by doxygen to have nice docs of the internals. These are some I'd like to know more about: t_gobj t_object t_text And anything else people feel like writing about... .hc ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- "Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free software means someone else controls that, and to some extent controls you." - Richard M. Stallman

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Re: [PD] pd-etended AMD64 build
by Justin Robert 10 Nov '07

10 Nov '07

Thanks for the tip errordev. But I'm having problems compiling it. I got the source to configure ok now with a more current version, but when I go to build it it sends me back errors. I'm actually not near my laptop to be more specific at the moment, sorry. But was curious if anyone else has gotten extended compiled and running on Mepis64 or another 64 distro? --- pd-list-request(a)iem.at wrote: > Send PD-list mailing list submissions to > pd-list(a)iem.at > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > pd-list-request(a)iem.at > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pd-list-owner(a)iem.at > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific > than "Re: Contents of PD-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: pd-etended AMD64 build > (errordeveloper(a)gmail.com) > 2. Pd in video game Spore (Hans-Christoph > Steiner) > 3. Re: Pd in video game Spore (Kyle Klipowicz) > 4. Re: Pd in video game Spore (chris clepper) > 5. way for GOP object to know its selected > (Hans-Christoph Steiner) > 6. Re: stupid GUI tricks (Hans-Christoph Steiner) > 7. Re: stupid GUI tricks (Hans-Christoph Steiner) > 8. Re: stupid GUI tricks (Alex) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 18:56:25 +0000 > From: errordeveloper(a)gmail.com > Subject: Re: [PD] pd-etended AMD64 build > To: pd-list(a)iem.at > Message-ID: > <20071109185625.GA8428(a)00110101.errordevlopment.org.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > you probably want to install pd-0.41-0test6, which > have the array bug > fixed for x86_64. > > i had it for ages and was really disapointed how the > arrays and graphs worked. > > On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 08:52:06PM -0500, Justin > Robert wrote: > > Hi, I'm a newbie to the list and pd. :) > > I am running the latest pd-extended on windows, > but would like to get it > > on my laptop that is running mepis linux AMD64. > is there a build for AMD? I > > downloaded the source, but there is no configure > file in src folder, so > > I get a "not found" when I run ./configure. What > am I doing wrong? > > Thank you in advance. > > > > > > Justin Robert > > www.justinrobert.com > > > > ps- thank you for your help on the list IOhannes > > _______________________________________________ > > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 14:20:28 -0500 > From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans(a)eds.org> > Subject: [PD] Pd in video game Spore > To: pd list <pd-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at> > Message-ID: > <3B28C585-ABE9-4B7F-8EDF-460973CDF12A(a)eds.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; > delsp=yes; format=flowed > > > I just read this on the Max list: > > http://www.cycling74.com/pipermail/maxmsp/2007-November/038995.html > > Apparently, Pd is part of the EA game Spore. Makes > sense, since Mark > Danks, Gem creator and UCSD alum, is pretty high up > at EA. > > .hc > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ---- > > All information should be free. - the hacker ethic > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:28:52 -0600 > From: "Kyle Klipowicz" <kyleklip(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [PD] Pd in video game Spore > To: "Hans-Christoph Steiner" <hans(a)eds.org> > Cc: pd list <pd-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at> > Message-ID: > > <f279b1600711091128q5ba4e692ifc875ca5fce45912(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Pretty awesome! Thanks for sharing. I love the tip > about good-natured > demeanor being a key to professional connection > building. I think that > tip should be emphasized more around here sometimes! > > ~Kyle > > > > On Nov 9, 2007 1:20 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner > <hans(a)eds.org> wrote: > > > > I just read this on the Max list: > > > > > http://www.cycling74.com/pipermail/maxmsp/2007-November/038995.html > > > > Apparently, Pd is part of the EA game Spore. > Makes sense, since Mark > > Danks, Gem creator and UCSD alum, is pretty high > up at EA. > > > > .hc > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ---- > > > > All information should be free. - the hacker > ethic > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > > -- > ----- > ------------ > ---- ----- > ---- -------- - ------ > http://perhapsidid.wordpress.com > http://myspace.com/kyleklipowicz > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:32:37 -0600 > From: "chris clepper" <cgclepper(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [PD] Pd in video game Spore > To: "Hans-Christoph Steiner" <hans(a)eds.org> > Cc: pd list <pd-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at> > Message-ID: > > <a8e0bc960711091132p25fb23cekea9b46d6aa3cd763(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Mark is now really high up in Sony's PS3 division. > > On Nov 9, 2007 1:20 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner > <hans(a)eds.org> wrote: > > > > I just read this on the Max list: > > > > > http://www.cycling74.com/pipermail/maxmsp/2007-November/038995.html > === message truncated ===

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Re: [PD] Thanks and now for something else!
by Daniel Wilcox 10 Nov '07

10 Nov '07

I would suggest you check out Composing Interactive Music<http://www.amazon.com/Composing-Interactive-Music-Techniques-Ideas/dp/02627…>by Todd Winkler which covers using MAX to do lots of fun stuff with midi. Naturally, you can implement most of the examples in PD. I bought this book and went through the whole thing, making the example patches as I went. If you want more of the technical bones behind this stuff, I'd also recommend Machine Musicianship<http://www.amazon.com/Machine-Musicianship-Robert-Rowe/dp/0262681498/ref=pd…> by Karl Rowe. Although it is getting a bit dated (includes a cdrom with MAX patches for OS 9 :P), it really helped me a good grasp on how I could use midi in pd to do what I wanted. Anyway, those are two books that got me going in pd. Shoot, there is enough experience on this list to write better books then these focusing on pd! >Hallo, >Timothy Sikes hat gesagt: // Timothy Sikes wrote: > First of all, I want to thank everyone for the tremendous help you > guys gave me to start PD a day or two ago. I think parts of PD have > finally started to sink in. Whoever told me not to think of PD so > procedurally, or orderly, really helped. Right now, I am getting > the benefits of my labor by listening to a loop that goes from midi > sound 50 -100 then loops again... and again..... Alright, now for > the stuff I don't get! So, my next project I would like to tackle > to better understand PD is to have it play a simple midi C scale. > Some of the things that I want to understand better is the 'select' > object, and what happens when an outlet is connected to it, how to > use the equality (>, <=) symbols accurately, and how they work in > PD. I have already looked at the examples that came with it, and > they just confused me: When I took them out at started it over, it > seemed to work just fine. This is the 'more counting' one, and > when I remove the >= 0 boxes, it still works, plus they're not > really explained at all.Thanks again! -- Dan Wilcox danomatika www.robotcowboy.com

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robotcowboy patches for you
by Daniel Wilcox 10 Nov '07

10 Nov '07

Hey guys! I've been working on some patches and music while I was at STEIM in October with the result being a bunch of gui patches inspired by Chris McCormicks awesome s-abstractions that use the equally awesome Frank Barknecht's sssad state saving. The sequencing objects + s-arranger finally allow me to make full songs more like when I was using FL Studio. Screw FL Studio now! Some of the objects included are: - rc-seq: a variable length xoxo sequence - rc-drumseq: a variable length sequencer container a number of the above - rc-track: a variable length midi note sequence - rc-tracker: a variable length tracker containing a number of the above - rc-chipwave~: a chiptunes emulator built around Phill Phelp's chipwave~ example <http://www.zenpho.co.uk/chipwave.shtml> - rc-wavetable~: a wavetable gui osc - rc-arp: the arpeggiator from Tod Winkler's Composing Interactive Music - blahblahblah ... Webpage: software.robotcowboy.com/rc-patches See my myspace <%20%20http://www.myspace.com/robotcowboy> (redundant?) for two new songs, MyLungsWereAchingForYou and SpaceLight, built entirely in pd using the rc-patch song structuring, generation from live midi, and realtime mixing of the mic/distorted digitar (hey, thats pretty good for a 500Mhz box!). Anyway, I've started making gui objects to save time when I make the songs (compose) and I just want to get into a a groove. Some of them are unfinished but check em out, I'll update them as I go. Hopefully they will be useful to someone. -- Dan Wilcox danomatika www.robotcowboy.com

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