Pd-list October 2007

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Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE
by acastonguay＠artengine.ca 21 Oct '07

21 Oct '07

From: "Alexandre Castonguay" <acastonguay(a)artengine.ca> To: pd-list(a)iem.at Cc: ydegoyon(a)free.fr User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Hi all, Yves, Here are some facts may help explain and paint a correct picture of the convention's gender distribution. Number of applications received for the exhibition component : 9 (F) 26 (M) Invitations sent : 6 (F) 12 (M) Number of applications for performances (* I am unsure as to the gender of one applicant as we didn't ask people to specify it in their application.) 3 (F) 32 (M) Invitations sent : 2 (F) 18 (M) As Andrew Brouse noted, the applications for papers did not carry the author's names so it makes it hard to get a picture of the gender breakdown. Out of 46 'papers invitations', 2 were extended to women and I believe that may unfortunately be the number of applicants? Andrew may be able to answer to that. I believe that the impression Yves got is justified. It is just that the community is overwhelmingly male and 'white' (another thread!). It also seems that the juries for the papers, exhibition and performances were conscious of the fact as it is somewhat reflected in the final breakdown of invitations sent. Some observations on other parts of this long thread that may yet yield something positive. * The component of the convention that had the highest representation of women applicants was the exhibition. It shows that this form of contribution is often the way through which women enter the community. It should be maintained and expanded through other conventions. * I heard through the application process that some women were intimidated by the perceived technological sophistication of the pd scene and thought that their work may not be 'pure' enough to warrant an application. In that light, dismissing people whose work process calls on external expertise to be realized does not help with that perception of purity. * I am personally glad that our efforts of providing better documentation and access to the software got a renewed push through the work groups and discussions happening at the convention. * Building a more representative community will take time and many more pd-conventions, workshops, efforts through documentation and packaging, participating in long email threads and chats. Let's keep in mind that most of us take part in these efforts because we believe we can make the community more inclusive, make good work and have fun while doing it. A bientot, Alexandre On Friday 19 October 2007 08:24:26 ydegoyon(a)free.fr wrote: > ola, > > > Honestly I wasn't even sure this sevy was really Yves, and for that > > matter I know nothing about Yves. As I said- the original statement was > > completely untrue; and the original poster hasn't responded to that fact. > > I honestly did not believe the subject was a problem on this list. > > wrong! i sent this after reading 'wettest dream' in a mail from 2 weeks > ago, but anyway it was 2 years or more that this was going on, > and was also a general feeling from pd convention > ( seems work groups were only constituted of men ), > too bad some people speaking here were not there. > > saludos, > sevy > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

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Spectrum graphing amplitude problem
by Jason Plumb 21 Oct '07

21 Oct '07

Hi. I'm building a super simple but reconfigurable GOP spectrum graphing abstraction, but got some weird behavior early on. Please see my example: http://noisybox.net/computers/pd/questions/freq_graph_work3.pd The magnitude computation and dividing by the block size I got from one of the help examples. It's almost doing the right thing -- if you drag the slider around the single frequency peak moves around. The problem is that the peak amplitude, as graphed, changes based on the frequency. It even seems to be periodic WRT frequency, which makes me think there's a kooky phase issue... Any ideas? Thanks, -jason http://noisybox.net

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Please test! OSX 10.3 and G3s!
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 21 Oct '07

21 Oct '07

Hey all, I just made a 10.3/G3 build of the latest Pd-extended release. If you have a Mac that's running something older than Tiger (10.4), or a CPU older than a G4 (iBooks, old iMacs, old PowerBooks, old PowerMacs, etc.), please test this build. It should work for all of those. http://idmi.poly.edu/pdlab/Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx103-powerpc.dmg There is one thing that I know doesn't work: Gem. Recent versions of Gem don't work with Mac OS X 10.3. If anyone can tell me the most recent version of Gem that works on 10.3, then I'll include that in the 10.3 package. .hc ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. - Benjamin Franklin

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Getting system time from an object
by Batuhan Bozkurt 20 Oct '07

20 Oct '07

Hi, Is there any object or way to extract system time from within PD? Resolution of a second would suffice. A friend using PD for an experiment needs to dump system times to results automatically. It would be fairly easy to make an external for it but I think there should already be a way to obtain time. Any suggestions? Batuhan

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last testing for Pd-extended release!
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 20 Oct '07

20 Oct '07

Hey all, I think I fixed the GNU/Linux Help links bug and the Mac OS X/PowerPC fft/freeverb bugs. Please test this build because I think it's ready to go! http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-10-20/ .hc ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- "[W]e have invented the technology to eliminate scarcity, but we are deliberately throwing it away to benefit those who profit from scarcity." -John Gilmore

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Re: [PD] Getting system time from an object
by Batuhan Bozkurt 20 Oct '07

20 Oct '07

Thanks Martin, I do know about pdpedia. What I was asking was an offline and single (big) page of digital document which had names of most of the objects and their descriptions in short sentences near them, probably a single line for a single object that you can skim through, something you will see just like when you right click on an empty canvas and select "help". Try clicking that and it will amaze you. Thanks anyways. Batuhan Martin Ahnelöv wrote: > fre 2007-10-19 klockan 18:14 +0300 skrev Batuhan Bozkurt: > >> Thanks I have a happy friend now. >> >> The Max/MSP reference manual has a facility at end that has a list of >> all the objects and their descriptions, usually one little sentence per >> object. Is there anything like this available for PD? The core objects >> can be seen by the help reached from the help and I know that it is hard >> to maintain such a thing with a growing list of externals as in >> PD-extended package. But I'm asking anyways as even an incomplete list >> of descriptions of extended object list that is put together would >> suffice I think. This becomes a problem for me too, sometimes. I happen >> to be sure that an object doing a particular job exists but I just don't >> know the name. The mailing list definitely helps(as I got an answer >> within a couple of minutes! Thanks!). But searching keywords from such a >> list would point to the right direction easily I think. >> >> > > What's the url to pdpedia again? wiki.puredata.info ? www.pdpedia.org , > something like that? > > Gasten > > >

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pd doppler shift patch
by Michael A. Thompson 20 Oct '07

20 Oct '07

Anyone know where I might find a pd patch that implements a doppler shift? Thanks, m

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pixeltango on linux PD extended
by altern 20 Oct '07

20 Oct '07

hi i am checking out pixeltango on Ubuntu studio Linux using Pd 0.39.3-extended-rc5. I can see that pixeltango is there but when i open the examples in the browser i get many errors, I have been checking the dependencies (many!). I thought they all would be included in PD extended, since pixeltango is there as well. is this correct? if so i guess the problem would be to start PD with the right externals loaded in the right order. Otherwise i need to find out which ones are not included and try to compile them... thanks enrike

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Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE
by pueblo＠mail.ljudmila.org 19 Oct '07

19 Oct '07

> hey ho hi roman > let me switch in again. it was not my intention to stop a thread in a > dictatorship way. i just noticed, that the discussion meandered through > very different subject-matters, that weren't related anymore at all to > the original topic 'sexism', and it seems, that it wasn't coming to a > point. thanks for switching in again, I feel we don't discuss the topic of sexism which is in front of our sex, it is basically always there. gender, we keep on being fixed on gender on agressive attitudes, intolerance. for example this http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-10/054689.html If I remember well Matju was also molested by this. to me this was intolerance because it doesn't allow us to get into a deeper degree in the conversation. It may also be known as male bonding (funnily enough it was followed by a funny advertisementlike max msp thread) I've been speaking with other fellow women from the Pd convention in Montreal about why we don't write to the list and I have to mention some practical factors, a different division of labor, many of the women that can take the time to read the pd list are independent, self employed and doing multiple jobs and arrangements to live-- some of us are not 'professional' programmers but we get to deal with a lot of technology in our work with sensors, diy, electronica, computer music, web programming,. So, some of us feel that we don't have time to answer it!. I learn pd by myself and the list is very useful though. My last problem was creb compilation and I solved it very fast following that thread until the end ;) since this is still a list about pd, i proposed in a not so > serious way to bury that thread, since a real discussion obviously > couldn't be established. i think your attempt was very kind and brought some peace. I wanted to propose to brew a drink that people make in bolivia, peru, chile, argentina, ecuador guatemala and many places in altiplano (high mountains) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicha and about feminist jokes. well you know feminism is in total discredit, is not fashionable anymore but the conditions for women are not equal and we face feminicide (this is extermination of women)in various areas of the world. So I don't mind being sensitive to anything that is related to this. and some feminist from the south are excellent, in case you would like some good internet radio http://nueva.radionumerocritico.cl/news.php I didn't start this thread on sexism because I didn't have any particular complaint against this list although I can remember some situations outside the list: - once a pd friend said to me that still no women wrote an external, ah yes I would like to program a external I said. He said oh well Yves can do that you don't have to do that. -once a pd friend which I wanted to talk to said ah! you are the visual artist that works with Yves. that was ok but there is this prejudice that women doing pd do visuals. Ah no, I make noise. -once a pd friend didn't include me in the logs of a pd irc chat meeting (!) -once a pd friend said that his professor said that women can't do sound because is too abstract for them, they need the materiality of visuals but many other times I have also been -very encouraged by people that participate a lot in the list and in pd meetings and pd projects to keep on learning and feel more confident in my autonomy towards media. it would be better IMHO to discuss things and not avoid it but yes that would take time, to look into what we really mean by sexism and ask around why women (hey but not only women) don't participate in this spaces. Alejandra > On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 19:38 +0200, pueblo(a)mail.ljudmila.org wrote: >> > yves, >> > I haven't noticed anything offensive on the list like you describe >> (maybe >> > you're mixing life on the streets with life on the pd-list? :)) >> >> hi David and all, >> I don't know if you didn't follow some threads but here are some >> examples >> of greasy jokes: > > yo, i am glad, that you bring some realworld cases up. i think, this > could be a basis for a real discussion. > >> From: JoÃ£o Miguel Pais <jmmmpais(a)googlemail.com> >> Date: Tue, October 9, 2007 1:29 pm >> >> - do you know how many feminists are necessary to change a lightbulb? 2: >> One to change the lightbulb, and one to s**k my c**k. >> [I think all users are old enough to read this, and at least it's a >> humorous tone, not purely offensive like some mails in the last weeks] > > i don't know, how obvious this was, but i am pretty sure, that in the > first place it wasn't jmmmp's intention to make bad jokes, that insult > feminists. i would rather say, that he, as probably some others, felt, > that this discussion was going to nowhere and probably wanted to > provocate a discussion by bringing up the most stupid macho joke (or > whatever this should be called) he could think of. obviously he > succeeded. i wouldn't count that as an example of chauvinism in the > list, since it seems, that it was triggered by the topic 'sexism' in > order to question the ongoing discussion. > > accusing him of chauvinism would be too simple in that case, though i do > not approve sending such sentences to a public mailing list, regardless > of the intention. > >> I really didn't want to post another OT but to be blind about the facts >> is >> just a bit too much for me to keep silent. > > i think, the whole community would agree, that whatever is troubling > someone in a serious manner, it should be brought up here. > > roman > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: > http://mail.yahoo.de >

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Re: [PD] patch syntax file for Vim editor
by Vircy Parker 19 Oct '07

19 Oct '07

> Curious, for to activate I add to my .vimrc: > > au BufNewFile,BufRead *.pd so $VIMRUNTIME/syntax/pd.vim > syntax on 2007/10/19, ilya .d < errordeveloper(a)gmail.com>: > > > > i just put it there .. > > > > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=181676… > > it can probably go into CVSROOT/doc/additional/ , cause > > pd-fileformat.html is there. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > >

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