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Re: [Pd] my "microtonal" sequencer
by bigswift＠cox.net 01 Sep '06

01 Sep '06

sounds awesome Chuck! i will try it tonight! thanks for posting Pat Pagano instrument curator & deposed pope South East Just Intonation Society ---- Chuckk Hubbard <badmuthahubbard(a)gmail.com> wrote: > OK, here goes... > > This patch is for composing in extended just intonation tunings. The > idea is that every interval between two notes is based on a small > integer ratio of the frequencies. DO is always 1/1, and in my program > this starts as middle C. > Csound and Scala both have text-based score formats for writing this > way, in which any arbitrary frequency can be used; I made this for a > couple of reasons. Mainly, you can enter JI (just intonation) notes > with the mouse and see them on the screen. Of course, you could do > this with any sequencer, if you fed it a series of samples that were > pretuned to just ratios. But with my program, you can transpose the > whole score to a new "1/1" with one keystroke, allowing you to > sequence themes, modulate, etc, without having to do all the fraction > multiplication. > > If you don't feel like going through all this, at least try opening a > few of the scores I included. The actual scores are the .ji files. > > The instructions for using it are pretty dense. Here's a primer, and > I'll see if I can write it up more conciselyl later. > > _LIBRARIES_ > The patch uses toxy, cyclone, and zexy. > > _OPERATION_ > The patch to open is JI.pd. This should open a control window and a > blank score. > The 8 "JIvoice" abstractions in the main control window are the > instruments. Each has a different color, since they are all on the > same spread. The numberbox next to each JIvoice is for assigning MIDI > program numbers to colors. The vertical radio buttons are for > selecting which voice to add to the score. The colored toggles right > next to the JIvoice abstractions were to be for muting, but this > hasn't yet been implemented. Underneath the JIvoice boxes is a > horizontal radio with three options. MIDI turns off all audio > processing and sends pitch bends, program changes, and notes to MIDI > out; this won't work with any softsynths I know, because each note is > sent to a different channel. It will only work with samplers or > soundfonts. By default, PD output is turned on, and audio is on. > This will generate audio according to the parameters for each voice: > click on a JIvoice to see the parameters. The only thing I'll say > about this window is that the FOF parameters at the bottom are only > set up for MIDI control as of now; changing the numbers manually won't > work. The only other thing I'll say is that the preset system has > been getting jiggy with it... use caution if you use presets. They > are saved in the .prs file with the same name as the .ji file for each > score. > > To open a piece, click on the symbol box under "Filename" in the upper > right. Type in, for instance, "sonata04rondo" and hit enter, then > click the "load" messagebox. You should see the score for the 4th > movement of my JI sonata. Next click on the gray and purple JIvoice > boxes in turn, and play with some of the parameters. Just make sure > there is some kind of waveform in the box. Click the PLAY toggle in > either the main window or a JIvoice panel. Music. > > _TRANSPORT_ > > The buttons should be self-explanatory. To record to an audio file, > select wave or AIFF under the RECORD button. Type the name for the > output file, hit enter, and hit RECORD/STOP once. The num2 GUIs in > the middle of the main window show the time in minutes and seconds for > PLAY, but not for RECORD > The transport can be controlled with the keyboard. Control-I starts > playback, and "I" alone stops it. Control-PageUp moves the playback > cursor back one quarter-note, and Ctl-PageDown moves it forward one > quarter note. Clt-Home moves the playback cursor to the beginning. > Under Windows, Ctl-Help and Ctl-Delete move the cursor forward and > back by 4 quarter notes at a time. > > _SCORE EDITING_ > > This is the main reason for this patch to exist. With the main window > active, switch to the score window. This should enable the mouse > control. > The important keys to know: > > Q: prepares the mouse cursor to enter notes. You should see a black > preview note jump to the mouse when you hit Q, and it cycles through > common note ratios when you move the mouse. If you now click the > mouse, you create a note. > > E: disables note entry so it's safe to click on the score, and sets > the score window to edit mode. You can now select wrong notes and > delete them, or whatever. > > Ex2: hitting E again returns from edit mode, but does not prepare the > score for editing. This way, you can drag on the right end of a note > line and change the duration. Hit Q again to enter more notes. > > 1-0: the number keys change the duration of the preview note. > > Shift+1-8: Shift and numbers 1-8 changes the voice to be entered, as > well as the color of the preview note. > > T: the most important one of all. This causes the entire score to > transpose to the key of the preview note; whatever ratio is showing by > the mouse cursor will become 1/1 and the whole score changes to > reflect the new DO (not an abbreviation... DO as in "a female deer"). > > G: also important. If you accidentally hit T without looking, or go > through a series of changes and lose track of the original key, G will > return the entire score to 1/1 = Middle C. > > Y and H: Y and H change the volume of the note to be added. You will > see the small vertical block on the preview note increase or decrease. > > , and . OR < and >: these change the rhythmic quantizing of the > preview note placement. < snaps to 1/6 of a quarter note, and > snaps > to 1/4 of a quarter note. > > All of the score editing is enabled by the toxy external. So have it. > > _MEASURES_ > > This only works from the main window. To the right and just down from > the main Volume, select the number of measures to add, and underneat > that, select the time signature. Hit the button to the right of the > number-of-measures-to-add to add them. Hit Clear if you want to > remove all of them. Changing existing measures is a biaiaitch at this > point. Not sure how to fix it. > > _TEMPO_ > > The 'Add Breakpoint' button will insert a tempo marker with the > current value wherever the playback cursor is. It will be relative to > whatever note value you select to the right, but this will not be > visible in the score. Also, only exponential tempo currently works. > I came up with a solution to make the tempo change exponentially, and > never got around to reconnecting the linear tempo change. "Ignore > Tempos" will playback a score at whatever speed you select, instead of > what the markers say. > > _MIXING_ > > Open pd mixer if you like, it's hiding to the right of the Tempo > section of the main window. > > _CAUTIONS_ > > There are many other features that I created and don't use much > anymore, or just aren't as essential. Experiment, but save your stuff > if you come up with anything you like. The save feature won't ask > about overwriting, so make sure you type a new name for each file > before saving. The zoom has worked and not worked correctly at > various stages; everything I added after the zoom had to incorporate a > sort of "zoom cosmological constant" called "zoomfact", and I can't > guarantee I put it everywhere it should be. The "EDIT THE SCORE" > section is pretty much replaced by mouse editing. It still works; it > highlights individual notes in red... but sometimes leaves them red. > That whole section is scary. > The selecting/copy/paste/move/transpose section is also scary, but a > little more reliable. It reads the location of the playback cursor > and selects what's between the Start and End spots. This "transpose" > function actually changes the heights and pitches of the selected > notes, instead of just the ratio names. > > _BIG BIG CAUTION_ > > The worst thing you can do is edit the patch itself and save it while > a score is open. The preset memory function stores the entire > waveform for each preset added in memory, and if you save the patch it > will grow in size giamongously. If this happens, edit JI.pd in a text > editor and remove everything between "canvas .... presetmemory" and > "restore .... presetmemory", and between "canvas ..... score" and > "restore ..... score". If you edit the patch itself, I suggest > closing it using the "Close" messagebox to the right of the Zoom > function. This clears the presets and score, and saves and closes the > patch. > > _LICENSE_ > > You may not become a millionaire off of my JI scoring idea and not > split it with me. Pretty much anything else is okay. Unless you're > already a millionaire, in which case you must pay me to write music. > > -Chuckk > > -- > "Far and away the best prize that life has to offer is the chance to > work hard at work worth doing." > -Theodore Roosevelt -- Patrick Pagano Digital Media Specialist University of Florida Digital Worlds Institute 352-294-2082

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namecanvas-help.pd error
by Alexandre Matheson 31 Aug '06

31 Aug '06

hello, in the namecanvas help patch there is a little typo. In the message box it says pd-namecanvas.pd when it should say pd-namecanvas-help.pd. here it is fixed Also, I was wondering why [expr] has disappeared in pd-0.40 alex

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pd & soundblaster audigy with alsa
by Thoralf Schulze 31 Aug '06

31 Aug '06

hi there, I'm trying to get pd 0.39-2 to work with my audigy2 soundcard. I compiled pd with --enable-alsa and --enable-jack on gentoo (kernel 2.6.17r4). pd works in oss mode but fails with alsa unless i specify -noadc . I would really appreciate any hints on getting the card (including its inputs) going with alsa, since oss is pretty much deprecated these days ... alsa itself seems to be okay: playing back media files with both xmms and mplayer works. cat /proc/asound/devices gives 0: [ 0] : control 1: : sequencer 4: [ 0- 0]: hardware dependent 6: [ 0- 2]: hardware dependent 8: [ 0- 0]: raw midi 9: [ 0- 1]: raw midi 10: [ 0- 2]: raw midi 11: [ 0- 3]: raw midi 16: [ 0- 0]: digital audio playback 18: [ 0- 2]: digital audio playback 19: [ 0- 3]: digital audio playback 20: [ 0- 4]: digital audio playback 24: [ 0- 0]: digital audio capture 25: [ 0- 1]: digital audio capture 26: [ 0- 2]: digital audio capture 28: [ 0- 4]: digital audio capture 33: : timer so the devices are there. pd started with -alsa -listdev spits out the following messages: input devices: 1. Audigy 2 Platinum [SB0240P] (hardware) 2. Audigy 2 Platinum [SB0240P] (plug-in) output devices: 1. Audigy 2 Platinum [SB0240P] (hardware) 2. Audigy 2 Platinum [SB0240P] (plug-in) API number 1 input devices: 1. OSS MIDI device #1 output devices: 1. OSS MIDI device #1 audio I/O stuck... closing audio selecting either the hardware or the plugin-devices doesn't make a difference. many thanks in advance, thoralf. ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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Pad sounds resources
by Chris McCormick 31 Aug '06

31 Aug '06

Grtz Patchers, On the LAU list I heard some great "pad" sounds being made with ZynAddSubFX a few months back, and I'd love to be able to make similar kinds of sounds using Pure Data. Does anyone have pointers to articles or tutorials on making nice pad sounds? Best, Chris. ------------------- chris(a)mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx

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List of pd objects and messages
by Javier García 31 Aug '06

31 Aug '06

Hi! where can i find a list with all possible objects and messages that come originally with puredata?

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pd-competition?
by Christopher Charles 31 Aug '06

31 Aug '06

hi list. i was just thinking about something, maybe it's a bad idea, but i'll fire it off anyway: how about having a pd-patching-competition on a regular basis (annual?). not to see who's the best of the best, but just to have an overview of the broad spectrum of state-of-the-art pd programming. categories might include: -best audio patch in general -best algorithmic composition patch -best sequenced/live track -best 2d/3d visualisation (interactive and sequenced) -best multimedial patch -best artistic installation patch -best (non-audio-non-video) utility patch -best patch coolness/filesize ratio -best game -best abuse of medium -funniest patch -best patch collection/patch lib -obfuscated pd contest? ;) -speedpatching contest (get a topic and finish within 2hrs) -everything(!) goes contest other suggestions? of course, some categories overlap a bit, so a patch could win in game/abuse/funny/obfuscated/multimedia/etc. all at once, so maybe there should be a restriction of 1 category per entry? prizes might include: -fame, kudos -lifetime free pd license (free updates included!) any sponsors for other prizes interested? judging could either be done by a jury, or by a community poll. the judging could be based on: -overall coolness -ease of use/interface ergonomy -installation (single patch or tons of paths to configure first) -adaptability/reusability for/in other contexts -portability (consistent gui appearance on major oses, not too exotic externals) -configurability -code readability (is it clean and well documented?) -filesize (no huge tables saved with the patch) -patch ethics? (no patches to harm kittens and fire missles anywhere) and maybe lots of other things. it's just that i observed that in some communities, like the demoscene or the int-fiction one, periodical contest results are a good starting point for interested newbies and an inspirational source for seasoned users. the competition could be held within a neat puredata.info wiki. the only thing i'd fear is that there might be not enough entries to hold an meaningful voting. the pd list is 1000+ members, but the regular posters are just a handful (and out of those, not everyone releases patches regularly). i hope that for such a contest some of the interested lurkers and occasional posters would come out of their holes and participate. but as stated in the beginning, maybe it's a bad idea. any comments? charlie

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pdp fixes
by doelie＠zzz.kotnet.org 31 Aug '06

31 Aug '06

hi folks, i made some minor pdp fixes, including fix for pd-0.40 and the libquicktime api change. there's no tarball, since i suspect some other things might be wrong. it's been a while, after all :) darcs get http://zwizwa.goto10.org/darcs/pdp-12 cd pdp-12 . bootstrap ./configure --enable-mmx && make sudo make install (the glx bug i think i know how to fix. it's fixed in pf, but it's not fixed in pdp yet.) tom

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same extra patch for different pd versions
by patco 31 Aug '06

31 Aug '06

Hello list, is there a trick to avoid copying-pasting libraries or making links in all extra folders of different pd versions installed on a windozed computer, without having to use .bat files? I am using four different versions of pd for different reasons. Under linux life is far easier because of the .pdrc that is shared by any pd version. Patco --------------------------------- DÃ©couvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/RÃ©ponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expÃ©riences. Cliquez ici.

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Re: Re: [PD] pd-competition?
by Marc Fournel 31 Aug '06

31 Aug '06

Hi list, If this friendly competition hapens, and since the second PDconvention will happen in Montréal, Québec (Canada) in august 2007, it could be a good ideal to show all the patch submited. The patchs submited could be presented in a general public exhibition where the patchs could be shown with good sound and video, or robotic, or network system, etc. Beeing on the organisation comity of this convention, I know there is some exhibition spaces in Montréal that could be interested. We may have to do a schedule of presentatioin if there is to many patchs but still, they should all be shown. Not just the so called "Winners"... Anyways...Just a thought! Marc > > De: "David Powers" <cyborgk(a)gmail.com> > Date: 2006/08/30 mer. AM 11:17:49 GMT-04:00 > À: pd-list <pd-list(a)iem.at> > Objet: Re: [PD] pd-competition? > > I think this is a cool idea. > > My only concern would be, whether cross-platform and version issues, > which are obviously still being sorted out by some of us, might be a > problem. What happens if someone who is judding six entries, can't run > three of them for some reason? > > ~David > > On 8/30/06, Christopher Charles <schraubzwingenhalterung(a)web.de> wrote: > > Kyle Klipowicz wrote: > > > But in all seriousness, this is a great idea. I'd love to use--uh, > > > judge the competitors patches, and learn better techniques through it. > > > > > > How would you propose the vote? By a panel of veterans? By the whole > > > list? > > i don't know yet. a jury of veterans would throw up the question who is > > a veteran and who is not and would prevent those veterans from taking > > part in the competition. i'd rather suggest some kind of community-vote; > > taking it out on the list might generate a lot of traffic though. a good > > solution might be a series of (closed?) polls on a page like > > puredata.info, but i don't know if that's possible. > > > > > On 8/30/06, Kyle Klipowicz <kyleklip(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> Just watch out for the best visual external category...flamewar! > > >> ;-) > > >> > > i did not include an externals category into my suggestions, for they > > are often too diverse and specialized to compare. > > > > charlie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > Marc Fournel http://ciam.dyndns.org/~mfco

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Re: RE : [PD] [popup] disappearing with "new" GoP standard thingie
by B. Bogart 30 Aug '06

30 Aug '06

Ok, since so many people are interested here is were I could use help: PixelTANGO is broken in current tests of PD extended because not all the dependancies are working in the autobuild farm. * We need pool so we need FLEXT working in the PD extended build system * We need Gem so the GemDevs need to add FTGL (for text support) to the Gem CVS. Thomas posted some ideas on how to get FLEXT to play with the build system, I don't think Hans's has had time to look at it. So if anyone can help with these things then great, but they need to be resolved before other issues get addressed. I need pT to work in pd-extended 0.39 before I even thing about 0.40. Pat, try this OSX binary (the last 0.39 build "manually" made, it has bugs I'm sure!) http://idmi.poly.edu/pdlab/Pd-0.39.2-extended-test4.dmg All you pixelTANGO supporters could also help by advocating the changes I talk about above. Once a few of the above is resolved then we have something to work from and fix bugs against! .b. shreeswifty wrote: > Ben > You are getting so busy > Any word on editing the pixeltango abs without this behavior > Is it even the same? > I am so ready to use the text :-) > You said to wait a few months > > > Let me know when you get time > > Pat > >> From: "B. Bogart" <ben(a)ekran.org> >> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:29:24 -0700 >> To: megalegoland(a)yahoo.fr >> Cc: David NG McCallum <d(a)mentalfloss.ca>, pd-list(a)iem.at >> Subject: Re: RE : [PD] [popup] disappearing with "new" GoP standard thingie >> >> I'm sorry but I don't have windows and have no way to test it. >> >> Not to mention I have no idea how I can tell you to help be debug it... >> >> I guess I'm Yves like in that way.. >> >> I thought I heard of people using it on windows, but maybe I imagined it. >> >> .b. >> >> patco wrote: >>> At least [popup] works in one pd version, with my windows box this >>> external has never worked. >>> >>> */David NG McCallum <d(a)mentalfloss.ca>/* a écrit : >>> >>> Howdy, >>> >>> I've just started fiddling around with the versions of Pd past the >>> point where the outline was added where you can see the GoP space of >>> a patch. >>> >>> I recently resaved an old abstraction with Ben Bogart's [popup] in >>> it and now the popup doesn't show up in the GoP. >>> >>> Any ideas? >>> >>> Running .40-0t04 on an Intel Mac. mactel. >>> >>> D >>> >>> -- >>> __ _ _ _ __ _ >>> http://sintheta.org _______________________________________________ >>> PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Découvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le >>> sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/Réponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos >>> opinions et vos expériences. Cliquez ici >>> <http://fr.rd.yahoo.com/evt=42054/*http://fr.answers.yahoo.com>. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >

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