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Spectral Modeling Synthesis in PD?
by David Powers 14 Aug '06

14 Aug '06

How can one do Spectral Modeling Synthesis in PD, i.e. ability to analyze both sinusoidal and noise components in a sound, and then resynthesize those? Has anyone done this? This seems to be something similar to what I'm interested in: http://taps.cs.princeton.edu/ But I'd settle for something much more primitive. ~David

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Re: [PD] pd-based procedural chord progression database..
by patco 14 Aug '06

14 Aug '06

padawan12 <padawan12(a)obiwannabe.co.uk> a Ã©crit : >What about with more flowing classical music of >Vivaldi, Debussy and Gorekci? I suppose that works in the same >way but the rythmn/timing is just more subtle or implied. Vivaldi is a composer from a period when the sixth semi tone, or the fifth flat, or the devil note, were not allowed at all by the church. He had to follow very strict rules, that's why his music sounds very childish (in my paradigm). While Debussy is a more modern composer, he has been very influenced by Erik Satie which has stopped to follow the old rules of harmony imposed since centuries, they have introduced the concept of enharmony, and arythmic patterns. >What is a tri-tonic substitution? The seventh flat in a major chord is the triton of the major third, if we substitute a 7 flat major chords with another one, _six semi-tones below_, or above (same one), we will get the same notes than the altered chord. The altered chord is often used instead of the 7 flat major chord for resolving to the major chord or a minor chord one fift above. It's a kind of mirror effect. Regards, Patco. PS: I've attached a better sounding of voices example patch. --------------------------------- DÃ©couvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/RÃ©ponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expÃ©riences. 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Re: [PD] pd-based procedural chord progression database..
by patco 14 Aug '06

14 Aug '06

hello, padawan12 <padawan12(a)obiwannabe.co.uk> a Ã©crit : >, basically letting some pitches >lead others which makes transitions between one triad >an another "allowed" and "correct" One thing very important, is the rythm, made of strong beats (2,4), and weak beats (1,3) in a four beats pattern. The harmony is following this law of strong and weak beats, on the weak beats we play the the chord that is following harmony (the correct ones), on the strong beat we play out of tune (diminished chords are almost always used to go out of tune, but we can also play one half tone above or below) and this is very "allowed". Also we can do the same thing with odd (weak) and even (strong) number of bar in a sequence. What have been driving jazz improvisators to follow this logic is very simple, the last bar (even) must be the 7 dominant, then we are allowed to play anything, the best choice would be about playing the tritonic substitution, which gives a chromatic chaining of cords, like Maria has been explaining before, and players like saxophonists have a lot of abilities for playing fast chromatically. Patco. --------------------------------- DÃ©couvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/RÃ©ponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expÃ©riences. Cliquez ici.

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Gem: vertical line moving from left to right becomes jagged
by tim 13 Aug '06

13 Aug '06

Hello, I want to achieve a simple straight ribbon moving from one side of the srcreen to the other horizontally. looking something like: (with the grey ribbon moving from left to right) but in reality it comes out jagged, somewhat like: is there something i can do about that ? (framerate? antialliasing? videocard ? ...) what is the best way for moving basic figures smoothly over the screen? I was fiddling about with an alternative to the line object: | [for++ 0 64000 0.1] | | | [* 0.05] | | | [- 1600] | | | [/ 400] | \ [translateXYZ] | [rectangle 0.5 7] I get rather jumpy movement, as if it skips some pixels now and then... (pd, Gem, WinXp) thanks! Tim

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd-graz: merchandising....
by Kevin McCoy 13 Aug '06

13 Aug '06

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Kevin McCoy <km.takewithyou(a)gmail.com> Date: Aug 13, 2006 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd-graz: merchandising.... To: IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig(a)iem.at> Sorry, but I can't find the book anywhere... do you know a place to purchase it or if it's available right now? Thanks, Kevin On 8/13/06, IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig(a)iem.at> wrote: > Chuckk Hubbard wrote: > > As usual, I can't find the link I want. Can someone point me to the > > shirts? > > can't find it myself :-( > it should be somewhere on http://kig.mur.at (look out for > "auslage/shop"); go to "wear", select artist "KiG!" (i definitely have > to talk to them about _this_ ...) and scroll down to the end of the > page. there you'll find the original convention-tshirts, try to order > one of these (the convention shirts are out of order, but the new ones > just arrived) > > > > > BTW, since you guys are in Graz, why not see about teaming up with these > > guys: > > http://bci.tugraz.at/ > > and get us a Pd brain interface external... > > > > > > as far as i know, they've already worked with pd, but for unknown > reasons have stayed outside of the pd-community. > > > mfga.sdr. > IOhannes > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > -- "[D]aily life [is] a theatrical landscape in which 'everyone has their price,' God (via televangelism) and happiness (smile buttons) become commodities, radio stations say they love you, and detergents have compassion for your hands. -- "[D]aily life [is] a theatrical landscape in which 'everyone has their price,' God (via televangelism) and happiness (smile buttons) become commodities, radio stations say they love you, and detergents have compassion for your hands.

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[PD-announce] pd-graz: merchandising....
by IOhannes m zmoelnig 13 Aug '06

13 Aug '06

pd-graz proudly announces: pd-WEAR: after the success of the pd~convention shirts, we have decided to produce another charge of the well beloved t-shirts. they are available for sale pd-BOOK: finally the documentary of the pd~convention has left press: the book "bang" is 'a compilation of texts describing the different approaches to pd, a profile of its usage and development. It is contradictory and at the end, one finds oneself with a lot of open questions, on a technical level as well as on a philosophical one'. With articles by: Miller Puckette, Marc Ries, Christian Scheib, Brian Jurish, Susanne Schmidt, Reinhard Braun, Andrea Mayr, Frank Barknecht, Günther Geiger, Thomas Grill, Hans-Christoph Steiner, IOhannes Zmölnig, James Tittle, Cyrille Henry, und Winfried Ritsch, Michael Pinter, Reni Hofmüller and others. ISBN-10: 3-936000-37-9 ISBN-13: 978-3-936000-37-5 the book comes with a complimentary DVD of audio/visual works presented at the 1st international pd~convention (the DVD is also separately for sale, see http://pd-graz.mur.at) attack the shops! mf.adsr. IOhannes _______________________________________________ PD-announce mailing list PD-announce(a)iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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any?
by yukio kuroiwa 13 Aug '06

13 Aug '06

hi pd friends, do anybody know where can i find the any abstractions? many thanx yju -- yukio kuroiwa yukio_kuroiwa(a)fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A no graphics, no pop-ups email service

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Real Time Composition Library
by David Powers 13 Aug '06

13 Aug '06

Hello, I recently came across RTC-lib for Max here: http://www.essl.at/works/rtc.html I thought that it would be great to make a similar library for PD, perhaps even mimicing some of the functionality of those objects, only using PD objects. What do people think? ~David

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object creation msg to abstraction subpatch
by Julian Sorrel 13 Aug '06

13 Aug '06

hello all, i'm having trouble sending an object creation message to a unique subpatcher [pd $0-subpatch] in an abstraction i'm building. i've tried sending "obj 250 70 ctlin" to both an appropriately named messagebox and a [s $0-subpatch] object. is patch-msg object construction not allowed for dynamic variables? technically i'm not sending a dynamic variable, becuase the $0 number is already "decompressed" by message time in my patch. i have no idea what's going on because [; pd-"decompressed $0"-subpatch vis 1 ( works fine. i have no aversion to using [dyn~] - but i'll be calling numerous instantiations of this abstraction, and i've found before that using [dyn~] in that situation is a bit slow ... so i'd prefer to use patch messages if i can ... myer abstraction title: midibutton -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- #N canvas 402 0 584 961 12; #X obj 0 0 cnv 15 100 60 empty \$0-button button-0 5 50 0 14 -233017 -66577 0; #X obj 0 0 bng 20 250 50 0 empty empty empty 0 -6 0 8 -228992 -1 -1 ; #X obj 194 28 tgl 15 0 empty empty rec 0 -6 0 8 -262144 -1 -1 0 1; #X obj 56 167 ctlin; #X obj 54 206 spigot; #X msg 55 276 obj 250 70 ctlin \$1; #X obj 358 322 makefilename button-%d; #X obj 358 298 float \$1; #X msg 358 347 obj 250 95 send \$1; #X obj 4 206 sel 0; #X msg 4 231 bang; #X obj 81 67 nbx 3 14 -1e+037 1e+037 0 0 empty empty empty 0 -6 0 10 -228992 -1 -1 0 256; #X obj 55 251 f; #X msg 148 155 2; #X msg 148 179 3; #X obj 358 240 loadbang; #X msg 468 250 bang; #X obj 438 293 float \$0; #X msg 366 405 \; \$1-button label \$2; #X obj 366 380 pack f s; #N canvas 0 0 478 328 1132-subpatch 0; #X restore 272 10 pd \$0-subpatch; #X obj 57 570 symbol; #X obj 79 10 nbx 3 14 -1e+037 1e+037 0 0 empty empty empty 0 -6 0 10 -228992 -1 -1 0 256; #X obj 57 545 makefilename pd-%d-subpatch; #X obj 57 519 float \$0; #X msg 383 878 conn 0 0 1 0; #X obj 57 601 a2l; #X obj 57 627 glue; #X msg 5 550 bang; #X text 2 109 _____________________________; #X text 231 -7 \; \; \; \; \; \; \; \;; #X text 257 37 <-- graph on parent; #X text 146 136 debug; #X text 252 65 this abstraction is designed to make \; it easy to program a midi profile \; for your midi instrument. it rec- \; ords a user-entered ctlin parameter \; and makes a send "button-$1" when \; the record button is deselected.; #X text 75 880 once i get the objects created ->; #X obj 292 296 print a; #X obj 103 723 print b; #X text 171 207 <----create a ctlin with the specified param; #X text 53 348 create a send for the ctlin ------->; #X text 66 415 name the button ------------------>; #X text 282 546 <-- send message to subpatch; #X obj 315 497 t b l; #X obj 315 472 a2l; #X msg 57 729 \; \$1; #X obj 57 653 l2s; #X text 97 748 comment; #X obj 352 794 s \$0-subpatch; #X text -3 748 ---> \; \; \; L----these should be the same \, right? --->; #X text 456 230 debug; #X text 98 627 i have to use [glue] here because [pack] receives \; lists only in its left inlet - and here i need \; the list on the right side of the filename.; #X obj 306 712 makefilename pd-%d-subpatch; #X msg 306 736 \; \$1 vis 1; #X text 170 693 so why does this work if other messages don't?; #X connect 2 0 4 1; #X connect 2 0 9 0; #X connect 3 1 4 0; #X connect 4 0 11 0; #X connect 4 0 12 1; #X connect 5 0 35 0; #X connect 5 0 42 0; #X connect 5 0 46 0; #X connect 6 0 8 0; #X connect 6 0 19 1; #X connect 7 0 6 0; #X connect 8 0 35 0; #X connect 8 0 46 0; #X connect 8 0 42 0; #X connect 9 0 10 0; #X connect 10 0 12 0; #X connect 12 0 5 0; #X connect 13 0 4 0; #X connect 14 0 4 0; #X connect 15 0 7 0; #X connect 15 0 17 0; #X connect 15 0 24 0; #X connect 16 0 7 0; #X connect 16 0 17 0; #X connect 17 0 19 0; #X connect 17 0 50 0; #X connect 19 0 18 0; #X connect 21 0 26 0; #X connect 23 0 21 1; #X connect 24 0 23 0; #X connect 26 0 27 0; #X connect 27 0 44 0; #X connect 28 0 21 0; #X connect 41 0 28 0; #X connect 41 1 27 1; #X connect 42 0 41 0; #X connect 44 0 43 0; #X connect 44 0 36 0; #X connect 50 0 51 0; #X coords 0 0 1 1 200 140 1; --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1Â¢/min.

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[PD-announce] bverb: reverb abstraction
by Ben Saylor 13 Aug '06

13 Aug '06

bverb is my shot at an artificial reverberator. A number of damping-related parameters and global scale factor give it a fairly wide range of sounds. It uses SSSAD for state saving and needs the highshelf external from ggee, and Pd 0.39 for the GOP stuff. Screenshot: https://puredata.info/Members/bensaylor/bverb-screenshot.png/view Download: https://puredata.info/Members/bensaylor/bverb.tar.gz/view Enjoy! Ben _______________________________________________ PD-announce mailing list PD-announce(a)iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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