Pd-list February 2006

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Re: [PD] Snd as a pd external documentation.
by Kjetil S. Matheussen 09 Feb '06

09 Feb '06

On Thu, 9 Feb 2006, David Plans Casal wrote: > > On 9 Feb 2006, at 21:09, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > >> This would allow you to write bonafide Pd objects in snd. What language >> they are written in would be transparent to the user. They would behave >> just like objects. They could be bundled into libraries, they would work >> with the system path settings, they would work in the newly developing >> namespace, they could have their own help patches, etc. etc. > > So this means that because snd work can be written in Ruby, we could write > bonafide PD objects in ruby-snd? > Actually, sorry, you can't combine the --with-ruby switch and the --with-snd-as-pd-external switch when compiling up snd. Theres no ruby interface to pd in snd. (gridflow?)

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Webcam advice
by Jonathan Goodwin 09 Feb '06

09 Feb '06

Hi all, I'm about to go out and buy a webcam for integration of live footage. via gem's pix_video, into my current patch. Any advice tips etc on what to look for? I'm using Mac OS X and preferably want a firewire cam due to available ports. What works, what doesn't?...or can I buy any cam?! Cheers, Jonathan

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How to update GOP GUI features
by Ed Kelly 09 Feb '06

09 Feb '06

Hi List, I'm trying to create a patch where the gui changes according to a selector, and I want this changing GUI to be displayed GOP when the patch is called as an abstraction. It seems that whatever is in the GOP frame when the patch is opened will remain visible, and moving something else into the frame with a [pos $1 $2( message doesn't work. If I save the patch afterwards, it works. Is there a way of saving the PD patch so that GOP shows the contents of the frame regardless of whether they change or not? b est, ed -> -> --> ---> -----> --------> -------------> (insert quote here) ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com

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argument objects revisited
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 08 Feb '06

08 Feb '06

I removed the second inlets on the *_argument objects since it was unnecessary, and its cleaner to have one hot inlet, rather than two hot inlets. .hc ________________________________________________________________________ ____ "[W]e have invented the technology to eliminate scarcity, but we are deliberately throwing it away to benefit those who profit from scarcity." -John Gilmore

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GEM: translucent objects, other effects, and tutorials/instruction
by Tomato Thaumato 08 Feb '06

08 Feb '06

Hello list, The answer may already be on the webpage, but to a graphics newbie such as myself, I could not find the answer. How do I create a translucent object? And for that matter other "vital" effects? I personally learn by example, and if anyone would be willing to supply me with some really exciting looking patches I'd be more than happy to break those patches down into "tutorials" for someone like me who is just learning to use the material. Some of it has to do with the basic ideas behind objects. For example, as a beginner to audio production, I might discover that I could get a "neat sound different from osc~" by using phasor~, but it might not occur to me that phasor~ has other uses besides just as a saw-tooth wav that would help me later on as I tried to accomplish more complex tasks. If someone thinks they have a bunch of varied, interesting, patches, I would LOVE to look at them, and I'd be happy to try and put together some "help" files like those found within Pd if somebody would be willing to proof them for me. I found the basic things in the GEM HTML manual currently being worked on by IOhannes, but it was not enough. Is there more out there already? Whether there is or isn't, tell me what I can do to be helpful, and tell me what I can do to learn. Thanks list! -Michael

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no signal from osc~??
by Jacob Last 08 Feb '06

08 Feb '06

Hi all-- I've been unfortunately away from Pd for awhile, but I'm back... I just compiled the latest devel_0_39 from CVS, succeeding in grabbing portaudio from cvs, and everything seems to work except... i get absolutely no sound from the [osc~] object. it does show some signal when attached to an [env~] but nothing comes out of my speakers. other things work, like [noise~] for instance, and others don't, like [vcf~] (this doesn't show up on an [env~]). this seems very odd to me, any clues? Thanks a ton, Jacob

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Re: [PD] Further GEM rendering problems
by Max Neupert 08 Feb '06

08 Feb '06

hi jonathan, list the list is the place to ask all pd questions, how silly they might be does not matter. if the questions are easy this gives also the beginners the chance to answer some to give back to the list what they learned from it. i just fiddled a bit around with your patch and hopefully it gives you an idea how to proceed with it. max Am 08.02.2006 um 13:31 schrieb Jonathan Goodwin: > Hi Max, > > Sorry to approach you directly, but I feel I have harassed the list > too much > already with this same problem all to no avail. I want to clarify > something > you said in a previous reply (see below). You said I can use the > path of the > movie to open the movie *once* and then control gemheads with the > buttons. > How exactly did you mean to do this. I am loading my movies with a > path now, > but the movies restart each time they are triggered whereas I want > them to > re-start where they left off. Is this working in the way you > imagined? > > Ultimately, the way I know I could have this working, is to have > multiple > instances of [gem_movie] and then pause/play them, but when I do > this, the > Gemwin goes white and stops rendering. Do you know how I could make > this > work? Do I need a separator object, these seem to come up a lot on > old posts > I've read, but I'm not sure how to implement them? > > Sorry for all the no-doubt naïve questions!...I'm very new to PD > and I'm > just really struggling on this one, and I don't know where else to > turn! > > Kind Regards, > Jonathan Goodwin > > P.S. I've attached my patch in its current state...works for switching > videos, but they restart each time they are triggered. I use OS X. > > > On 24/1/06 18:44, "Max Neupert" <abonnements(a)revolwear.com> wrote: > >> hi >> >> in your attached patch you linked the hid button to the openpanel >> function, this will cause the panel to pop up every time you press >> this button. >> use the path instead to load the desired movie once, then control the >> gemheads with the buttons. >> >> m. >> >> >> Am 24.01.2006 um 17:59 schrieb Jonathan Goodwin: >> >>> Ok, I've attached my patch so far...be prepared for some obvious >>> mistakes I >>> expect!...i'm very new to this! >>> >>> I think I may have found the problem...The rendering problems begin >>> when I >>> try to add more than one set of GEM objects. In the working patch >>> I've >>> included, you'll see that I have mapped a playstation controller to >>> act as a >>> video trigger. I'm looking to have more than one channel of video, >>> hopefully >>> 4 or 5, which will each be triggered by different gamepad keys. So >>> what I >>> was doing was copy & pasting the working set of GEM objects and >>> linking them >>> to a separate controller key. This is when the problems start. >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> Jonathan >>> >>> >>> On 24/1/06 16:23, "chris clepper" <cgc(a)humboldtblvd.com> wrote: >>> >>>> You might either have a catastrophic hardware/driver failure or you >>>> are doing something wrong patching. The latter is more likely so >>>> post >>>> the patch you are using. Also, try the included example and help >>>> patches. >>>> >>>> cgc >>>> >>>> On 1/24/06, Jonathan Goodwin <jonathan(a)jgoodwin.co.uk> wrote: >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> After initially thinking that everyone's advice here had solved >>>>> my problems, >>>>> I appear to be back at square 1! >>>>> >>>>> I'm having a problem whereby when a video is played through the >>>>> GEM window, >>>>> the sound is played, but the images are not present, and a white >>>>> screen is >>>>> displayed where the video should be playing. Earlier in the week >>>>> someone >>>>> suggested to me to replace the Gem.pd_darwin file with one from >>>>> the GEM >>>>> website. Which at the time seemed to solve the problem. But now >>>>> it's stopped >>>>> working properly again! >>>>> >>>>> I'm looking for any ideas...sometimes everything works fine, and >>>>> the video >>>>> plays without a prob, but at other times I get nothing and/or PD >>>>> quits on >>>>> me. It seems really sporadic, I cannot spot a pattern that may >>>>> indicate the >>>>> problem. I've also tried restarting my computer and re- >>>>> replacing the >>>>> Gem.pd_darwin file all to no avail! >>>>> >>>>> My system is: >>>>> >>>>> Mac Mini (OS X 10.4 Tiger) >>>>> 1gb RAM >>>>> 1.25GHz G4 PPC Processor >>>>> >>>>> PD Version: Pd-0.38.4-extended-RC7 >>>>> (With GEM.pd_darwin file from GEM-0.90.0-OS X-G4-bin) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list >>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>>> >>> >>> <gamepad_input.pd> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ >>> listinfo/pd-list >> > > <gamepad_input.pd>

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length of a table / xsample
by Georg Holzmann 08 Feb '06

08 Feb '06

Hallo! should [getmax ( sent to xsample output the length of the table ? - because I get other numbers sometimes ... if not, is there an external out there to get the length of a table? Thanks, LG Georg

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Re: [PD] GOP positioning
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 08 Feb '06

08 Feb '06

No worries. For example, in one of the loadlib/Startup text fields, it says: maxlib Then delete that, and add this to one of the Path text fields: "C:\Program Files\pd\extra\maxlib" Do that for each one that you need. FYI: I forgot, xsample is also a standard lib, so keep it in the loadlib/Startup section if you want to use it. To load Gem and xsample, you'll need to add this to one of the Path text fields: "C:\Program Files\pd\extra" (I am not sure about the quotes, try without if it doesn't work). .hc On Feb 7, 2006, at 7:46 PM, David Powers wrote: > I'm sorry, but I don't know what you mean. What's "libdir"??? How do I > "add a path instead"? You have TOTALLY lost me!!! I'm sorry if I seem > stupid here... > > ~David > > Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > >> >> Except for Gem, you need to turn those loadlib statements into path >> statements. They are in libdir format, which currently is only >> supported as a lib in Pd-extended. In Miller's Pd, you need to add >> to the path instead. >> >> .hc >> >> On Feb 7, 2006, at 6:36 PM, David Powers wrote: >> >>> Okay, never mind, I see it, but I don't understand how to make it >>> look good ... >>> >>> Also, as I thought, PD 0.392 can't see my libraries. I put them in >>> the Path, hit "apply" and "save settings" ... Nothing. But the 0.384 >>> library runs fine. This is what I get: >>> >>> Gem: can't load library >>> cyclone: can't load library >>> zexy: can't load library >>> cxc: can't load library >>> ext13: can't load library >>> iemabs: can't load library >>> iemmatrix: can't load library >>> markex: can't load library >>> maxlib: can't load library >>> memento: can't load library >>> mjlib: can't load library >>> motex: can't load library >>> oscx: can't load library >>> pddp: can't load library >>> pdogg: can't load library >>> pdp: can't load library >>> pidip: can't load library >>> pixeltango: can't load library >>> pmpd: can't load library >>> rradical: can't load library >>> sigpack: can't load library >>> smlib: can't load library >>> toxy: can't load library >>> unauthorized: can't load library >>> vbap: can't load library >>> xsample: can't load library >>> >>> ~David >>> >>> David Powers wrote: Hi, >>> >>>> >>>> Well, I just tried the new PD, but I can't tell any difference. I >>>> guess I'm missing something? >>>> >>>> On the other hand, I used your tutorial with the 0.384 and it >>>> worked GREAT! >>>> >>>> ~David >>>> >>>> Frank Barknecht wrote:Hallo, >>>> >>>>> dafydd hughes hat gesagt: // dafydd hughes wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Like IOhannes says, 0.39 is a _way_ big improvement for GOP, but >>>>>> if >>>>>> you're on 0.38 (because hc's installer is awesome) you should >>>>>> check >>>>>> out Frank Barknecht's "GOP done right": >>>>>> >>>>>> http://footils.org/cms/show/31 >>>>>> >>>>> Or Chun Lee's pd-gop at: http://goto10.org/-/pdgop.html for a >>>>> deeper >>>>> explanation. >>>>> >>>>> However if you have you read this and if you tried once how >>>>> immensely >>>>> more useful GOP became in pd-0.39 you'll never want to look back. >>>>> Add >>>>> to that the [list] object which was also new in 0.39 and I can only >>>>> recommend to upgrade. And if you intend to use data structures, >>>>> that's >>>>> a third argument for upgrading or at least installing pd-0.39 in >>>>> parallel. >>>>> >>>>> At least you should not waste too much time in understanding how >>>>> GOP >>>>> worked in Pd versions < 0.39, it totally changed for the better. >>>>> >>>>> Ciao >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> __ ____ >> >> I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and >> during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle >> man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. >> - General Smedley Butler >> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ ____ If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. - Eldridge Cleaver

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adding xsample library to Pd-0.38.4-extended-RC7
by alexandre r. decoupigny 08 Feb '06

08 Feb '06

hey, in os x ver. 10.3.9 im having great difficulties adding the xsample library to this particular version. in the .app info i can see the binary that i dowloaded is added as a plug in. but when i add xsample into the start up list pd prints out the message xsample: cant load library on the next start up. there must be something im missing.. i already talked to thomas grill who helped me a great deal. thanks alexandre -- alexandre r. decoupigny

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Pd-list February 2006