Pd-list February 2006

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Re: PD-list Digest, Vol 11, Issue 3
by Patrick Valiquet 02 Feb '06

02 Feb '06

On 2/1/06, pd-list-request(a)iem.at <pd-list-request(a)iem.at> wrote: > Send PD-list mailing list submissions to > pd-list(a)iem.at > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pd-list-request(a)iem.at > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pd-list-owner(a)iem.at > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of PD-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Freeverb~ Makefile (CK) > 2. Re: PD-list Digest, Vol 11, Issue 2 (Eric Lyon) > 3. Re: Freeverb~ Makefile (Hans-Christoph Steiner) > 4. Re: Freeverb~ Makefile (J_J_FUX J_J_FUX) > 5. Re: Re: PD-list Digest, Vol 11, Issue 2 (Hans-Christoph Steiner) > 6. Re: Re: [PD-announce] A new version of FFTease is now > available for Pd (Hans-Christoph Steiner) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:17:23 +0100 > From: CK <chris(a)lo-res.org> > Subject: Re: [PD] Freeverb~ Makefile > To: J_J_FUX J_J_FUX <j_j_fux(a)yahoo.com> > Cc: pd-list(a)iem.at > Message-ID: <20060201201723.GA54330(a)tema.lo-res.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I read: > > Dose anyone have a makefile for freeverb~ ( linux ) that they could post ?. > > adjust the path to the pd sources, > > all: > g++ -DPD -DUNIX -O2 -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer -Wall -W -Wshad > ow -Wstrict-prototypes -Werror -Wno-unused -Wno-parentheses -Wno-switch -I/home/ > x/audio/sw/pd/pd-0.37-0/src -c -o freeverb~.o freeverb~.cpp -lc -lm > ld -export_dynamic -shared -o freeverb~.pd_linux freeverb~.o -lc -lm > strip --strip-unneeded freeverb~.pd_linux > > > HTH > > x > > -- > chris(a)lo-res.org Postmodernism is german romanticism with better > http://pilot.fm/ special effects. (Jeff Keuss / via ctheory.net) > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:48:26 +0000 > From: Eric Lyon <audiodidact(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [PD] Re: PD-list Digest, Vol 11, Issue 2 > To: pd-list(a)iem.at > Message-ID: > <4fc349ba0602011248q4109cb4bj17b5eb633c879bd7(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > > > The main reason I did not post the source is because it is not yet unified > > > or easy to compile, and I wanted to make the externals available before > > > however many months it might take for me to get the code in shape. However > > > you are welcome to get the code over here (but you have to figure out how > > to > > > compile it). > > > > Figuring out stuff like this is what some people here specialize in. ;) > > > > I'm aware of that; for now the code is online for anyone who would like to > play with it, (http://eamusic.dartmouth.edu/~eric/MAX/FFTease/code.html) > but I'm not happy with its current state, so I guess I don't want > to put it on the main page where someone might download it, try to compile > it and it probably wouldn't work for them. There are a lot of gurus on this > list, but I think it's important to have consideration for some of the people > here who don't eat C code for breakfast. > > > > I think this is probably correct; as I understand it, the GPL places some > > > restrictions on what you can do with the code. I think we are a bit > > > more permissive, but if there is some way that you find our "licencette" > > > more restrictive, I'm willing to consider relaxing it. > > > > The problem is, that any Open Source/Free Software by definition must > > not pose any restrictions on how that software is used. So if FFTease > > would *only* be allowed to be used for research and arts, but not for > > any other uses (like making coffee), then FFTease would not be free > > software as it violates "freedom 0": "The freedom to run the program, > > for any purpose" - including making coffee. > > > > Thanks for putting it that way. Technically it doesn't prohibit you from > making coffee or doing anything else, but I see that explicitly stating the > things that we expect most people would do with FFTease might imply > that you can't do other things with it. I suppose we could say "can be > freely used for any artistic or research purpose, or anything else you > can think of," but that sounds kind of clunky. Note we did not use the > word *only* in the licencette - we said what you *could* do, not what > you couldn't do. I might consider something like Christopher's licencette for > HyperUpic which states, "use freely at your own psychological risk." > > It's tough to cover all bases. For example, IIRC Miller states that you > can use Pd "for any reasonable purpose." But I reckon that many uses > of Pd might be considered unreasonable and that's what makes them > interesting. If this is really a problem for people, I'll give it some thought > and see if I can come up with something that doesn't offend my sense > of aesthetics. > > Eric > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:08:45 -0500 > From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans(a)eds.org> > Subject: Re: [PD] Freeverb~ Makefile > To: J_J_FUX J_J_FUX <j_j_fux(a)yahoo.com> > Cc: pd-list(a)iem.at > Message-ID: <ad0f1a8cb242518cda2643a4fdd00916(a)eds.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > > Use the externals/Makefile. In externals, type: make freeverb > > The binary will then be next to the source file. Works on Mac OS X, > GNU/Linux and MinGW/Windows. > > .hc > > On Feb 1, 2006, at 3:08 PM, J_J_FUX J_J_FUX wrote: > > > Greetings friends of puredata > > > > In the puredata CVS there is no makefile for freeverb~ , ive tryed > > myself to write one but always withfailure . Dose anyone have a > > makefile for freeverb~ ( linux ) that they could post ?. or perhaps > > there is one already online somewhere that i have missed and could be > > directed to . > > > > thanks and all the best for 2006 ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more > > on new and used cars._______________________________________________ > > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ____ > > "Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more > direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it > can change entire economies." > - Amy Smith > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:10:40 -0800 (PST) > From: J_J_FUX J_J_FUX <j_j_fux(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [PD] Freeverb~ Makefile > To: pd-list(a)iem.at > Message-ID: <20060201221040.7155.qmail(a)web36407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > thanks Hans and CK > > Even with the makefile CK provided, freeverb~ would not compile properly for me . the resulting object seams to function completely wrong even in the help patch , or on other attempts pd dose not recognize the resulting binary. > > Perhaps this is a compiler issue ? > i use G++/GCC 3.3.4 Debian 1:3.3.4-2 > > ive just grabbed the externals from the CVS and will try the build system from that . > > > Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans(a)eds.org> wrote: > > Use the externals/Makefile. In externals, type: make freeverb > > The binary will then be next to the source file. Works on Mac OS X, > GNU/Linux and MinGW/Windows. > > .hc > > On Feb 1, 2006, at 3:08 PM, J_J_FUX J_J_FUX wrote: > > > Greetings friends of puredata > > > > In the puredata CVS there is no makefile for freeverb~ , ive tryed > > myself to write one but always with failure . Dose anyone have a > > makefile for freeverb~ ( linux ) that they could post ?. or perhaps > > there is one already online somewhere that i have missed and could be > > directed to . > > > > thanks and all the best for 2006 ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more > > on new and used cars._______________________________________________ > > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ____ > > "Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more > direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it > can change entire economies." > - Amy Smith > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. >

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shell object on osx
by matto belmondo 01 Feb '06

01 Feb '06

hi list, this is my first post... ! my question is: does anybody working with osx (pd 0.39.2) got experience with the shell-object? it's strange, i can build it but the object has no in- or outlets. even if i open the terminal i have no effects... thanxalot andaloop

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[GEM]-gemmouse and gemkeyname
by som e imagem 01 Feb '06

01 Feb '06

Hi, I have some problems with "Gemkeyname" and "Gemmouse" objects. I'd like to use GEMKEYNAME but it doesn't work: the "state"-outlet doesn't change (or recognize) when a pressed a key on my keyboard. Nether the GEMMOUSE seems to work: - The X and Y "position"-outlet doesn't change their value when I move the mouse on the Gem window; - The "Left, Right and Middle" buttons nether; - Only when I pressed the left button and move the mouse, It gives me the X and Y position value. I am using PD-0.39-2 with GEM 0.90 on a Mac PowerBook (OSX 10.3.9) Any help? Thanks Carlos Caires

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OSC blob type support?
by Gregorio G. Karman 01 Feb '06

01 Feb '06

Hi list, I would really appreciate hearing about any attempt to iclude ´blob´ type support in pd-OSC implementations. thank you! greg.

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GEM problem on nVidia
by Cesare Marilungo 01 Feb '06

01 Feb '06

Hi, I've just started experimenting with GEM. I compiled Gem and pd from source on Slackware 10.2 with kernel 2.6.13 and the nVidia binary driver. The problem is that creating windows works just the first time. When I destroy it the window closes properly, but when I recreate it the windows remains black, and I get this infamous message in the log file: NVRM: Xid: 6, PE0002 0470 c11daf4b 000bf858 00000000 00000003 I don't have any other problem using opengl on this setup, other than Gem. Before digging into the code myself I thought to ask here. It seems that the code that disposes the window fails to free some resource. Suggestions? Thanks in advance, c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com

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Re: [PD-announce] A new version of FFTease is now available for Pd
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 01 Feb '06

01 Feb '06

What are the rules about distributing this? Pd from Miller is released with a BSD license, so that's easy. But Pd-extended is released under the GNU GPL because most of the code in CVS is GPL'd, so that makes things more complicated. But it would be quite nice to be able to distribute FFTease built-in to Pd-extended. .hc On Jan 31, 2006, at 3:01 PM, Eric Lyon wrote: > FFTease is a collection of externals that do various kinds of spectral > sound processing - cross synthesis, spectral sampling, spectral > shaping, spectral tuning, spectral reanimation, and so forth. The > externals were originally designed for MaxMSP by Christopher Penrose > and myself. The new version (FFTease 2.5) is designed for both Pd and > MaxMSP. It has been compiled for Linux, Mac OSX, and Windows XP. > > FFTease 2.5 is available at: > > http://www.arts.manchester.ac.uk/subjectareas/music/academicstaff/ > ericlyon/software/fftease/ > > or > > http://tinyurl.com/83rj2 > > Best, > > Eric > > p.s. For various reasons the source code is not posted at the above > site, but anyone who is interested is welcome to contact me offline. > > _______________________________________________ > PD-announce mailing list > PD-announce(a)iem.at > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce > ________________________________________________________________________ ____ I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. - General Smedley Butler

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Pd-list February 2006