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[PD-announce] mmm-0.1.0-eden
by Enrique Erne 02 Nov '06

02 Nov '06

hi list. we proudly announce the first public release of our compact composer for pd, mmm. grab it at http://netpd.org/mmm-0.1.0.zip mmm is best described in it's faq, see below. don't expect too much yet, there is still a lot to be done. comments, bugreports, cash, are welcome. have fun with it! christopher charles & enrique erne faq for mmm-0.1.0 - eden what is mmm? mmm is a pd patch collection aimed at providing a studiolike(?), streamlined, dynamic interface for making synthetic music. screenshots? http://www.netpd.org/mmm.png ymmv depending on your operating system. we put some effort in detecting the operating system and setting the fontsize according to it, but quirky xorg or dpi settings might screw things up again. where can i get it? we currently host the mmm at http://netpd.org/mmm-0.1.0.zip , alternatively, you can grab netpd, enter the chat, and if either of the authors is online, download it directly through netpd and start rocking. what does "mmm" stand for? mmm was originally just the working title, but we came to like it somehow. the original meaning is "music making machine" but you can substitute every m for whatever you want. so "massive multiplayer music" is okay with us, too. what is the inspiration? having worked on/with the bagoftricks (lots inconsistently coloured gop-patches to be connected freely) and netpd (lots of inconsistent-looking windows to clutter up the screen), we came to mock up an clean, dynamic interface in which modules don't bring their own gop or open their own window, but log onto the interface that's provided for them by the motherpatch. all modules sharing the same interface made it easy for them to share the same sequencer and arranger. what are the dependencies? mmm should work with pd-0.39 and zexy installed. iemlib is important for many synth and effects patches, and there's even set of gem modules you can chain if you want. is it actually usable? no. this 0.1.0 release is rather a tech demo and a taste of things to potentially come. you can crunch some acid loops out of it already, but don't sell your protools studio equipment to start working with mmm on monday. how does it work? mmm's interface (mmmmain.pd) is divided into 3 parts: there is the module/channel view, where you can chain up synths and effects on 8 different channels. select an empty field on a channel, and then use the scrollbox on the left to select a patch and open it. when clicking on a patch you loaded up in the module view, the 2nd view comes into play: from there you control the patch's sliders on the left, right of it is the stepsequencer for each of the slider (means everything is sequencable!). yet you won't hear anything until you did the following 2 things: press play in the uppermost row of mmmmain, and set up the arranger to play the stepsequence. the arranger is not module-based, but controls all modules of a channel are grouped in the arranger. for now, you can only select pattern 01 or nothing to play in the arranger. so set up a loop for the first pattern (loopstart:0, looplength:1) set the first field on the channel you got your patch on in the arranger to p01 and start making some noise. does it work online? yes. mmm is compatible to netpd and will automatically log on to netpd's server if you have the netpd chat open. you can also download the whole mmm package through netpd. feel free to jam around the world. what's not working yet / what is planned? as for now, there is no support for samples whatsoever, it isn't planned to support them soon. further, there is no hard disk recorder available yet, but it is planned. the arranger/sequencer combo is very crippled at the moment, only supporting 1 16-step-pattern to choose from and 1 page of 16 patterns in the arranger. this will change rather soon. next there are plans for luxury editing functions, especially in the sequencer like copy, paste, random pattern, interpolation and so on. plans exist for full keyboard control, but this will be worked on not too soon. the module roster is far from being complete yet, more is to come. can i save my stuff? should be possible with the buttons above the channels. don't rely on the result though, this is still 0.1.0 :) can i add my own modules? modules are not to hard to write, but for now, the list of selectable modules is hardcoded. look at all the 4m-* patches in the patches folder to see how they are ticking. contact us for adding your patch to the mmm or try to figure out yourself how it works ;) what's the license? mmm is licensed under the gnu lgpl. if you think this is a too useful product to be free of charge, please consider donating the amount of money you would've paid for it (or the amount of money you got from selling your protools equipment on monday) to a trust of your choice. who are the authors? mmm is developed by enrique erne (eni, swiss, pd{at}mild.ch) and christopher charles (syntax_tn, germany, chr.m.charles{at}gmail.com). we can be contacted via email, irc (#dataflow) or directly in the netpd chat. several patches within mmm are based upon netpd versions of them, check netpd for the original authors. mmm shares some of it's netcode with netpd, by roman haefeli. disclaimer. we cannot give you any guarantees on using mmm, not even that you have fun. it should be relatively harmless, but don't come crying to us if mmm accidently hijacks your *mule and downloads david hasslehoff recordings to your computer. eofaq _______________________________________________ PD-announce mailing list PD-announce(a)iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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Pd *is* a programming language!
by Claude Heiland-Allen 02 Nov '06

02 Nov '06

Hi everybody, Remember those long discussions about whether Pd is a programming language or (an inferior) something else? Well, to settle the matter, I made a brainf*ck[1] interpreter in vanilla Pd using no externals[2]. Now you can be sure that you can compute anything computable[3] using your favourite multimedia tool! As Pd's string handling sucks, output is a printout of the decimal value of each character. Keyboard input is through [key], so you enter characters fairly naturally (wait for the yellow signal before you type each character). There is no way to indicate end-of-file. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck [2] As Pd's string handling sucks, you need to convert your .bf source code into decimal form before loading it. A simple C program "decdump.c" to do this is attached. [3] Provided it can be computed within the memory available, which in this interpreter is 1,000,000 cells each being an integer from 0 to 255 inclusive. 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#X text 190 57 (c) 2006 Claude Heiland-Allen; #X text 190 77 Licensed under GNU GPL v2+; #X text 190 117 Pd *is* a programming language!; #X text 190 17 bfi.pd version 0.0.1; #X text 190 97 Yellow means key-press expected.;

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Pd does not start... even if I recomile it
by a.flow＠tiscali.it 02 Nov '06

02 Nov '06

Hi again, I am still trying to fix my problem with pd... http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2006-11/043690.html probably nobody answered to this because this was to vague By launching the program in verbose mode, I discovered that probably something is going wrong in the communication with the Tk GUI. Pd version 0.38.4-extended-RC6 compiled 08:59:02 Jan 17 2006 port 5400 TCL_LIBRARY="/usr/local/lib/pd/tcl/library" TK_LIBRARY=" /usr/local/lib/pd/tk/library" "/usr/local/lib/pd/bin/pd-gui" 5400 Waiting for connection request... retrying connect... The strange thing is that those TCL and Tk libraries values. point to directories that does not exist... andrea@elettrototano ~ $ ls -a /usr/local/lib/pd/ . .. bin doc extra instead I have both TCL and TK installed in an other location: andrea@elettrototano ~ $ whereis tcl tk tcl: /usr/lib/tcl8.4 /usr/include/tcl.h tk: /usr/lib/tk8.4 /usr/include/tk.h /usr/share/man/mann/tk.n.gz some help would be appreciated, Thank you ! Andrea Naviga e telefona senza limiti con Tiscali Scopri le promozioni Tiscali adsl: navighi e telefoni senza canone Telecom http://abbonati.tiscali.it/adsl/

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[PD-announce] Pd Q and Faust interfaces / ICMC 2006 demo
by Albert Graef 02 Nov '06

02 Nov '06

Hi all, (Sorry for crossposting.) This should be interesting for all who want to extend their Pd with programs written in languages other than C/C++. I have created Pd plugin interfaces for these two languages: - Q, a functional programming language based on term rewriting (my own creation; see http://q-lang.sf.net). Q is a modern-style functional programming language in which functions are defined by equations. It also has an extensive collection of modules for doing graphics and multimedia. My Pd/Q external allows you to execute Q functions in order to do complicated control stuff in Pd, and it also provides a way to access Q's multimedia interfaces inside Pd. This is available as a source tarball (pd-qext-0.1.tar.gz); RPMs for Linux systems are also available. - Faust, Yann Orlarey's functional DSP programming language (http://faudiostream.sf.net). Faust's programming model combines two approaches: functional programming and block diagram composition. You can think of Faust as a structured block diagram language with a textual syntax. The resulting C++ code is heavily optimized and can compete in speed with handwritten C code. My Faust architecture file allows Faust programs to be translated to Pd externals using the Faust compiler. This makes it very easy to create new audio externals for Pd, and a bunch of examples are readily available. I have also written a Q script which generates complete Pd patches with graph-on-parent GUIs from Faust programs. This stuff can be found in the faust2pd-1.0.tar.gz package. You can find all the good stuff, including documentation and a lot of examples on the Q website at: http://q-lang.sourceforge.net/examples.html#Multimedia (see the bottom of this page). The Faust interface will also soon be available as a part of the mainstream Faust distribution. Yann and me will show Faust, Q and their Pd and SuperCollider interfaces at the International Computer Music Conference (ICMC) next week in New Orleans, so if you have an opportunity to come we hope to meet you there. (The presentation is on the very last day of the conference, Sat Nov 11th, 3:30 p.m., see http://www.icmc2006.org.) For more information please see http://faudiostream.sf.net and http://q-lang.sf.net. Enjoy. :) Albert -- Dr. Albert Gr"af Dept. of Music-Informatics, University of Mainz, Germany Email: Dr.Graef(a)t-online.de, ag(a)muwiinfa.geschichte.uni-mainz.de WWW: http://www.musikinformatik.uni-mainz.de/ag _______________________________________________ PD-announce mailing list PD-announce(a)iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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looking for good quality PV
by Hector Centeno 02 Nov '06

02 Nov '06

Hello, I was wondering if anyone knows of an external for good quality Phase Vocoder analysis and re-synthesis. I've tried the fft example included in PD and the quality is not really that good for extreme time stretching (which I'm interested in doing). I've been using the PVOC opcodes from Csound, which are of very good quality, but I would like to know if there is anything available for PD with similar quality. I know that I could modify the FFT example for making it sound better but honestly I'm not that proficient in DSP. Thank you! Hector

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Hilbert by fft; was: Re: On arrays
by Charles Henry 02 Nov '06

02 Nov '06

>Yeah, I'm not getting much joy from that either :/ >But it's still instructive to follow your implementation from >fft. There is actually a [hilbert~] unit available, which is >why I am interested. I figured out why the error signal was wrong on the hilbert_test patch. I was computing the error between the original signal, when the output was delayed from that by ~1024 samples. So, now the error is computed in the right place, and you can see the difference. I also figured out there are some definite effects of the block size on how well the patch performs on low frequencies. I've modified the transform to use an overlap factor of 8 which seems to help (everything above 20 Hz looks pretty good anyway), and (the part of this patch that was intended to demonstrate) when you mess with the phase inlet of [osc~] you can see that the hilbert transform does in fact trace the phase discontinuities very well. I came back to this idea, because I wondered if I could make a phase vocorder out of it somehow. With the phase / amplitude decomposition, you could differentiate the phase to get instantaneous frequency, multiply by a signal (representing the frequency ratio to stretch by), and integrate the result to get the new phase, [wrap~] it up (or not), feed it back to [cosine~] and multiply by amplitude Chuck

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Re: [piksel] cool video
by Mathieu Bouchard 02 Nov '06

02 Nov '06

On Tue, 24 Oct 2006, JS wrote: > You should have a look at CINT, a C/C++ interpreter: > http://root.cern.ch/root/Cint.html > It's pretty fine (impressive, in fact!) and should allow live coding of > Pd-patches _within_ the PD (or DD!) gui. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't like to spend more time coding in C/C++ than what I have to. I'd like to understand: what do you like about CINT ? _ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801 - http://artengine.ca/matju | Freelance Digital Arts Engineer, Montréal QC Canada

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pd dwatchdog: signaling pd...
by a.flow＠tiscali.it 02 Nov '06

02 Nov '06

Hi all, I am experiencing a very strange problem with pd. For a month I did not use pd and I did regular system updates and kernel recompiles. Today I have launched again pd, but it did not start up.. instead it spittes out this strange stuff: priority 98 scheduling enabled. priority 96 scheduling enabled. watchdog: signaling pd... watchdog: signaling pd... (when I don't run as root it just does not start up in a mute way) ... the worst thing is that this problem persists even after I uninstall (make uninstall) and recompile the program... Any advice? Thank you in advance, Andrea Fiore More Info: I am running PD (0.40.1) on a Linux Gentoo x86 and I use the 2.6.17 version of the Linux kernel with the realtime module. Naviga e telefona senza limiti con Tiscali Scopri le promozioni Tiscali adsl: navighi e telefoni senza canone Telecom http://abbonati.tiscali.it/adsl/

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[list length] counts unusual
by Frank Barknecht 02 Nov '06

02 Nov '06

Hi, I just found out that the new [list length] from Pd-0.40 counts the length of messages slightly unusual. Counting the elements in a meta-message like "walk the dog" will leave out the first element, "walk" in the example, and give a result of 2. The proper list message "list walk the dog" however will count as 3. This gets even more confusing with the other example in the list-help.pd file: "1 x y" has a list-length of 3, however "x 1 y" only has a list-length of 2. And it gets quite nasty with an argument-less meta-message like "set", which has a list-length of 0 just like the "real" empty list: a "bang"-message. I can see the logic behind this (counting only the arguments to a message but not the selector). But as all other [list] objects besides [list trim] automatically convert incoming meta-messages to list-messages I think I would expect the same to happen for [list length]. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__

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[PD-announce] Nightly Windows Builds
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 01 Nov '06

01 Nov '06

It looks like finally the nightly windows builds of Pd-extended are working regularly. pd-MAIN still needs work. Try it out and report any problems. http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/ The one big difference between the nightly Windows builds and the others is that Gem is not included. That's a bigger project, since the nightly builds use MinGW to build, while none of the Gem devs use MinGW. .hc ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can have three meals a day for their bodies, education and culture for their minds, and dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits. - Martin Luther King, Jr. _______________________________________________ PD-announce mailing list PD-announce(a)iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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