Pd-list March 2005

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[OT] noise in nyc
by John Nowak 28 Mar '05

28 Mar '05

GO! - John > Tuesday March 29th > at Siberia > 356 W. 40th St. (between 8th & 9th avenue. black door red light), NYC. > www.siberiany.com > 212-333-4141 > > Guilty Connector > Kelly Churko > The Maestros > Sickness > Dataclast > > 10pm. $5.

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Beginner
by Chuckk Hubbard 27 Mar '05

27 Mar '05

Hello group. I'm making my way through some of the documentation. It seems pretty awesome. I am interested in microtonal, and I'm starting to conceive of a step-sequencer for my tunings. But as of now, I would be content to find a few patches that are fairly musical. All of the patches I've tried from the documentation are good instruction, but just repeating ugly sounds over and over and over while you change parameters. Is there a repository of synth patches somewhere, or something? Thanks. Chuckk -- "Some people got attitude, Backed up with attitude." -G. Love

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Re: controlling robots/printers w/ PD
by Phil Stone 27 Mar '05

27 Mar '05

First time posting to this list: seeing this discussion about PIC's and PIC development, I have to introduce this wonderful software community (PD) to an equally wonderful hardware/software community (MIDIBox). See http://www.ucapps.de/ and http://midibox.org for an incredible array of free-to-use and well supported PIC projects, concentrating on live control of MIDI devices. One of many cool developments on this site is PIC chips preprogrammed with a bootstrap loader, which allows one to reprogram the PIC through MIDI! PC boards and all the code you need to get going are here for free (for non-commercial use only). Phil Stone Davis, California Ian Smith-Heisters wrote: >B. Bogart wrote: > >>> >>> Once still has to deal with ports and registers, so I guess there is >>> only so much wrapping that they can do. But also the basic interpreter >>> actually runs on the PIC on the stamp!!! pretty amazing. > > >The thing that gets me is the price of the Stamps. PICs range from 1USD >all the way up to about 7USD, whereas stamps are at something like >40-60USD. Of course you need the programmer for the PICs, but that's a >one time cost. But I'm sure you know that with the whole AID project. >Speaking of which, I want to build the AID board one of these days. > >But I do think Stamp BASIC is easier than assembler, though I've only >seen Stamp BASIC, never tried it. > > >>> >>> Windows only yes. >>> >>> For HW microcontroller stuff is... I heard about some linux toolkits for >>> programming chips, but I don't think there is one for PICs... I can't >>> remember the other manufacturer. AM something... >>> > > >There *is* one for PICs that I've heard some good things about. It was >posted to the PIClist a couple days back, but I've deleted the message. >It may have been at gputils.org They're also working on a new language >for the PIC that would make it much easier to program. > >But I think assembler is much maligned; it's actually easier than higher >level languages in some ways. And of course there are a half dozen C >compilers for PIC + Windows, and even an OSS Python compiler--if you >don't mind not using the more modern PIC18. > >Of course now I'm getting way OT, sorry. > >-Ian > > >>> B. >>> >>> Mathieu Bouchard wrote: >>> >> >>>>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005, B. Bogart wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>>> One programs the BASIC stamp in BASIC, hence the name. No assembler >>>>>>> required. >>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> My impression of BASICstamp's BASIC is that it's damn close to assembly >>>>> language. The use of the name "BASIC" is more marketing than anything >>>>> else. It's there to attract a generation of artists who are learning how >>>>> to code and solder in a fit of DYI-ness and are the right age to have >>>>> tried BASIC as a kid in a way that makes them nostalgic about it. >>>>> >>>>> Is there even a Linux interface for uploading to the BASICstamp ? I think >>>>> I recall it's Windows-only. >>>>> >>>>> _____________________________________________________________________ >>>>> Mathieu Bouchard -=- MontrÃ©al QC Canada -=- http://artengine.ca/matju >>>>> >>>>> > > > > > -

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opening a subpatch with vis 1; message
by Tati de la O 27 Mar '05

27 Mar '05

hi everybody. I was wondering is there's any way of open an abstraction with a send message. I'm able to do that with a subpatch, but i don't know how to do it with an abstraction. any suggestions? :::tatiana

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Re: Beginner
by Phillip Stearns 27 Mar '05

27 Mar '05

I've got a pretty extensive modular synth patch... right now it can be played with a midi controller. The ADSR behaves funny but has become part if its charm. There's a huge routing matrix that can become a bit of a pain to deal with in setting up but playing the patchbay can be preferable to playing the keyboard at times. I can send you the part and instructions if you'd like. You'll have to figure out how to adjust it to your needs though. about the clicks and pops... check to see that you're using the proper audio playback device. I don't know what OS you're running on or what soundcards you have but I would recommend that you not use any MME devices if you're using windows. It's slow and gave me problems when I first loaded PD. If you still get clicks and pops try increasing the buffer size if possible. cheers Phil > Thanks, Hans. I already have plans for Pd, though I > can't get any > good sounds yet. All of the synths I try from that > menu just feed a > note over and over while I change pitches and > options. I can't play > anything. The site you mentioned "cannot be > displayed". I'll check > out the archives. > Also, my audio output is terrible. Constant clicks, > static. > > I'll see what I can do with it. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

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Re: [PD] controlling robots/printers w/ PD
by Phillip Stearns 27 Mar '05

27 Mar '05

I am interested in controlling printers and other pieces of office equipment as well. I haven't follwed the recent posts as I've just gotten back from a trip. I was visiting a friend out in California who has written a patch that allows him to communicate to a speakjet chip using a USB to serial adapter of sorts. I can't remember the exact model or manufacturer even. >From what I can tell it would probably be a good idea to use the serial of comport objects to send serial data to a PIC or other programmable microcontroller. I would be interested in otherways via USB though I don't know much about the USB protocol. On a side note, we got a microcontroller to convert analog controlsignal into a digital stream and send it via serial to hyperterminal. The sure sign that it was working was hyperterminal filling up with ascii corresponding to the controller data. A max patch he was using displayed the same results. It would be pretty simple to do the reverse and program the PIC to accept commands and computer various things. You'll need to learn the assembly language if you're going to be dealing with most PICs but it is quite worth it. You'll be really hard core nerd. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

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syncgrain~ for windows
by Kyle Klipowicz 27 Mar '05

27 Mar '05

Hello list~ I've been looking around for a .dll file for Frank's syncgrain~ external, but to no avail. I would like to just compile it, but using windows xp makes this a little trickier than gcc in linux/osx. I have cygwin, but it seems a little tricky, since although it is a great shell, most of the native apps (vi, emacs, gcc) aren't included. Does anyone have a compiled version on hand, or on a webpage? As a related question, who has been successful at using cygwin for their compiling needs with the cvs? Do you have any hints or tutorial pages that might help me here? Are there any quick fix packets that I can download to add the basic unix apps to it with minimal fuss? Blah blah blah. I'll await your responses. ~Kyle

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$1, message objects and pdsend
by simon wise 27 Mar '05

27 Mar '05

This is my first post but I've been lurking on the list for a while - and learnt lots - thanks for all the work on pd and the lively discussions. When using $1, $2 etc in a message object the behaviour is odd: if a float is the first element of a list then it is used as $1 - all the examples I can find in the docs show lists of floats only. If a symbol is first it is ignored and the second symbol is used for $1. I assume this is so the first symbol can be special eg: 'set' and to fit with the general pattern of arguments, lists etc. but it would be nice to add a couple of symbol list examples to the help file to illustrate this difference - maybe from the attached patch. My problem is that I am making an subpatch to include in lots of my patches so I can stop pd rendering or quit from another machine if it gets overloaded while running GEM, and so I can easily run patches -nogui. I want to do it with standard pd so it is as portable as possible. The way I've set it up I want to send messages to various receive objects but I'm stuck trying to add 'list' to the head of a the text from netreceive without using external libraries - see my patch. There is also a consistent crash: when pdsend has been connected, then the patch containing netreceive is closed and reopened, and then pdsend sends some more messages. This is on OSX 10.3.8, Pd version 0.38 TEST13, GEM 0.90 and on Pd version 0.37.0. The terminal reports 'Bus error'. I've included bits of the console reports in case they is any use. When the pd side works smoothly I'll make a simple OSX wrapper for pdsend with buttons and a text box so it is very easy to use. Also a few sliders so I can share the patches that rely on running nogui and that I control with midi hardware. For now I can just type an extra word in the terminal each time I want to do a send, and wait till the patch is open before launching pdsend Thanks, Simon Wise

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Re: [PD] Beginner
by adam armfield 27 Mar '05

27 Mar '05

for starting with pd midi can be lots of fun.. provided midi is set up on your system (i'm using windows mostly, don't know about osx but i haven't sorted midi out on linux as yet).. i get very good results using pd in conjunction with another midi sequencer which supports vst's.. generally i use hubis loopback to make the two apps communicate.. midiyoke is another one.. attached to this message is a simple sequencer.. you can hook this up to lots of pd synth patches and get them to make noises.. the tutorial pdf for max (available from cycling74.com) is also good for learning the basics of pd (in pd object names must be typed, in max they can also be selected from a list.. this is one difference.. also a few basic max objects are not in pd) best wishes adam Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com #N canvas 0 0 1010 692 12; #N canvas 0 0 450 300 graph8 0; #X array a1 16 float 0; #X coords 0 90 15 20 200 140 1; #X restore 226 36 graph; #X obj 107 449 noteout; #X msg 151 387 125; #X msg 118 388 125; #X obj 255 714 tabwrite; #X obj 255 714 tabwrite; #X obj 255 714 tabwrite; #X obj 255 714 tabwrite; #X obj 91 244 tabread a1; #X floatatom 188 156 0 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 189 130 + 1; #X obj 134 131 float; #X floatatom 93 277 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 110 164 select 15; #X obj 213 185 hradio 15 1 0 16 empty empty empty 0 -6 0 8 -262144 -1 -1 13; #X obj 106 192 0; #X obj 197 388 tabwrite a1; #X obj 363 255 vsl 15 128 20 110 0 0 empty empty empty 0 -8 0 8 -262144 -1 -1 1300 1; #X obj 323 248 vsl 15 128 0 1000 0 0 empty empty empty 0 -8 0 8 -262144 -1 -1 1500 1; #X floatatom 317 403 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 50 246 vsl 15 128 0 127 0 0 empty empty empty 0 -8 0 8 -262144 -1 -1 7300 1; #X obj 90 422 makenote 64 100 250; #X obj 141 49 tgl 15 0 empty empty empty 0 -6 0 8 -262144 -1 -1 0 1 ; #X text 317 424 note duration and tempo; #X text 381 375 pitch slider; #X text 296 201 step selector; #X obj 190 322 notein; #X text 32 490 this is a 16 step sequencer.. use the pitch slider to record the pitch while the metro is playing when the metro is stopped \, select the step you want to add a note to with the step selector \, then use the pitch slider to set the pitch of that note. a midi keyboard can also be used to set the pitch.. i think the duration and tempo slider sets those things.. enjoy; #X obj 139 105 metro 150; #X connect 2 0 21 2; #X connect 3 0 21 1; #X connect 8 0 12 0; #X connect 9 0 8 0; #X connect 9 0 14 0; #X connect 10 0 9 0; #X connect 10 0 11 1; #X connect 11 0 10 0; #X connect 11 0 13 0; #X connect 12 0 21 0; #X connect 13 0 15 0; #X connect 14 0 16 1; #X connect 15 0 11 0; #X connect 17 0 16 0; #X connect 18 0 19 0; #X connect 19 0 21 2; #X connect 19 0 28 1; #X connect 20 0 21 0; #X connect 21 0 1 0; #X connect 21 1 1 1; #X connect 22 0 28 0; #X connect 26 0 16 0; #X connect 28 0 11 0;

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abstractions distro
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 27 Mar '05

27 Mar '05

The Pd distro discussion in combination with the 'made with Pd' discussion got me thinking. I think we should start a 'made with Pd' distro. Basically it would an organized collection of patches that would distributed as a set. It would be compiled from the 'abstractions' section of the SourceForge CVS and could be a .zip and a .tar.gz for easy cross-platform distribution. I had been thinking that this should be part of the Pd packages, but now I am thinking that it might make more sense to have it a standalone collection. .hc ________________________________________________________________________ ____ http://at.or.at/hans/

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