Pd-list February 2005

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runtime error
by Phillip Stearns 23 Feb '05

23 Feb '05

OK. I'm trying to run GEM on Windows XP and I believe that I have finally gotten the library to load properly but I can't quite tell because when I open ANY of the included pd files, PD crashes and gives me this error in windows: "Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime Library: Runtime Error program c:\pd\bin\pd.exe abnormal program termination." This is as specfific as I can get. I have run into this before and it was when I tried opening some patches that I had written with and earlier version of .38. Any ideas as to what could be wrong? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball.

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readanysf~ segfaults
by Ian Smith-Heisters 23 Feb '05

23 Feb '05

Hi all, August, I'm getting lots of segfaults from readanysf 0.13 with PD 0.38-2 from CVS stable with Guenter's help browser patch. I put it through gdb and got the following. Note the "invalid command name..." seems to always be there and has no apparent connection to readanysf~. I get an error when I try to stop playing an ogg file with [stop( <gdb> Starting program: /usr/local/bin/pd [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] [New Thread -1210414336 (LWP 8346)] [New Thread -1210942544 (LWP 8351)] PDP: version 0.12.2 [New Thread -1225798736 (LWP 8352)] [New Thread -1235555408 (LWP 8353)] [New Thread -1410163792 (LWP 8354)] [New Thread -1418552400 (LWP 8355)] [New Thread -1427735632 (LWP 8356)] invalid command name ".x83deee8.c" invalid command name ".x83deee8.c" ReadVorbis:: calling close function Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. [Switching to Thread -1427735632 (LWP 8356)] 0xb7e1aa35 in free () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 (gdb) run </gdb> And when I try to play an mp3 I get this: <gdb> [New Thread -1427735632 (LWP 8415)] invalid command name ".x83deee8.c" invalid command name ".x83deee8.c" MAD_ERROR_BUFLEN Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. [Switching to Thread -1427735632 (LWP 8415)] 0xb7e1bb12 in mallopt () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 (gdb) run </gdb> or this: <gdb> [New Thread -1427735632 (LWP 8424)] invalid command name ".x83deee8.c" invalid command name ".x83deee8.c" ReadMad::couldn't read from InputFIFO, bailing... Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. [Switching to Thread -1427735632 (LWP 8424)] 0xb7e1bb12 in mallopt () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 (gdb) </gdb> Any thoughts? Oh, I'm running this on Debian SID w/ libmad 0.15.1b-1 and libvorbis 1.0.1-1 Best, ian -- Ian Smith-Heisters http://www.0x09.com

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Gem: pix_snap
by august 23 Feb '05

23 Feb '05

I know this has been axed before, but how can you get predictable results from pix_snap? it seems to me that pix_snap will only take pixel values from the background color - the color you set when you send a |color r g b ( message to gemwin. I've tried setting the gemhead render order, and I've tried setting the gemwin buffer to 1 or 2. when I set the gemwin buffer to 1, I _sometimes_ can see that it is outputing pixel values from the screen, when I set the buffer to 2, I can only see that it is reading the backround color info. attatched is a test patch. any thoughts? thanks -august.

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qlist reading txt files
by amatheso＠alcor.concordia.ca 23 Feb '05

23 Feb '05

I am trying to compose my first piece using qlist as a sequencer but there are a few things I would like to know before getting too far along. 1 - what is the limit to the amount of text that can fit in a message box? 2 - does the structure of the messages change when using a .txt file to sequence? so far this is what I have in my message box: clear, add note 60 100 1000 100 1000, add note 63 100 1000 500 1000, add note 67 90 1000 500 1000, add 2000 note 68 80 1000 400 500, add note 56 80 1000 50 500, add 2000 note 63 90 3000 250 30, add note 54 90 3000 500 30, add note 58 90 3000 500 30, add note 73 100 3000 1000 30, add 3000 note 65 100 7000 200 30, add 7000 note 70 110 7000 2500 30, add 2000 note 58 110 5000 100 30, add 1000 note 67 100 4000 30 30, add 4000 note 67 90 2000 100 1000, add note 59 70 2000 300 1000, add note 62 70 2000 300 1000, add 3000 note 60 90 3000 30 1000, add note 63 80 3000 1000 1000, add note 67 80 3000 1000 1000, add note 70 90 3000 30 1000, add note 48 80 3000 1000 1000, add note 55 80 3000 1000 1000, bang if I copy paste this to a .txt file called score and use the |read score.txt{ message it does not seem to work. alex matheson

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flash/pd
by joreg 22 Feb '05

22 Feb '05

halo. recently i stumbled over a site that i remember offering something like a flash interface to pd. now that i cannot find this site anymore in my mail-archive of this list nor on google i am no longer sure if i was dreaming this?! the site was mainly text. and a menu on the left side that was red/orange. believing in collective dreams i hope that someone finds the link in his dreamdiary. joreg. --cut here------------------- current: http://vvvv.meso.net allstar: http://joreg.ath.cx

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Re: [PD-announce] Volume Curvature
by Andres Cabrera 22 Feb '05

22 Feb '05

Hi Ben, I just checked it today. It looks very nice! Can you give a brief description of the process you use to create those visuals? Do you use 3d models? Cheers, Andres B. Bogart wrote: > Hey all, > > I'm writing to annouce the start of a new performance and installation > project > "Volume Curvature". From the website: > > Volume Curvature is a performance piece settled in the body of work > known as > Self-Similar. During performance, complex organic volumes are created. I > think > of these volumetric forms as virtual kinetic sculpture. The colours, > structure > and style of the piece are inspired by the architectural work of Frank > Gehry. > The piece is a fusion of the structure of music over time and > architecture. This > performance is the first iteration of Volume Curvature. In future > development > the piece will be realized as an interactive installation. > > http://www.ekran.org/ben/volume_curvature/index.html > > B> >

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Re: [PD] flash/pd
by joreg 22 Feb '05

22 Feb '05

mm.. but what i remember was something like a gui-replacement for pd written in flash. and if it was even readonly. so that you could view a patch in a browser generated out of the .pd file. but not a screenshot. and maybe even see values changing as it runs.. hmmm- joreg. > Max Neupert wrote: > >> hi, >> >> you could communicate between pd/flash via OSC. like this you could >> make an flash interface for pd >> >> http://www.benchun.net/flosc/ >> >> > -- --cut here------------------- current: http://vvvv.meso.net allstar: http://joreg.ath.cx

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RE: [PD] touch pad
by robertgarvin＠bellsouth.net 22 Feb '05

22 Feb '05

i am using windows XP, but I can't find any properties or drivers that tell me the brand of the touchpad -robert -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Ouellet Fredericks [mailto:iamonthebeach@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 7:15 PM To: robertgarvin(a)bellsouth.net; pd-list(a)iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] touch pad Do you have a synaptics touchpad and run XP? Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: <robertgarvin(a)bellsouth.net> To: <pd-list(a)iem.at> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 6:28 PM Subject: [PD] touch pad > is there a way to use the touchpad of a laptop in pd? maybe as a pressure > sesitive something or other.. I searched for the properties of it on my > dell, and couldn't find anything. > -Robert > > > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list >

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midi-keyboard display
by Orm Finnendahl 22 Feb '05

22 Feb '05

Hi, I don't know, if that has been implemented by someone already. Just in case it hasn't, the attachment contains a display of standard midi keyboard highlighting pressed keys. It contains global sends and receives so only one instance of it can be used in a session. If someone has an idea how to implement this with localized sends and receives without using makesymbol or other non-native pd objects, let me know. Nice extensions would be to reflect velocities with shade and display different midi channels with different colors, but I could never figure out pd's coloring scheme. Maybe a nice exercise for the reader? -- Orm

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Re: PD-list digest, Vol 1 #1759 - 13 msgs
by Boby Peru Dafoe 22 Feb '05

22 Feb '05

Hi friends I have a question: Gem 0.90.0 runs with PD 0.38.2, in windows XP? I want to run the "counter" object, and it is not possible for me in PD 0.38.2. The same patch don't have problems in PD. 0.37.0 can someone help me, sorry for my bad english regards Chrs pd-list-request(a)iem.at wrote: Send PD-list mailing list submissions to pd-list(a)iem.at To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to pd-list-request(a)iem.at You can reach the person managing the list at pd-list-admin(a)iem.at When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of PD-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. v4l permissions (derek holzer) 2. Re: compiling (adding objs to) GEM on OS X-- seeking advice (0001) 3. R: [PD] v4l permissions (Davide Morelli) 4. pdrc file (manuel knapp) 5. Re: pdrc file (Thomas Ouellet Fredericks) 6. touch pad (robertgarvin(a)bellsouth.net) 7. Re: touch pad (Thomas Ouellet Fredericks) 8. RE: touch pad (robertgarvin(a)bellsouth.net) 9. Re: touch pad (Thomas Ouellet Fredericks) 10. Re: touch pad (robertgarvin(a)bellsouth.net) 11. Re: pd on xp (Andres Cabrera) 12. configure error: 0.38-2 osx (Julian Peterson) 13. Re: touch pad (Thomas Ouellet Fredericks) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 07:20:55 +0100 From: derek holzer To: pd-list Subject: [PD] v4l permissions Can anybody help me work out how to automatically set permissions for my video4linux USB webcam device. If I modprobe "pwc" as root, it loads fine, but I still have to manually set permissions for myself to access /dev/video0 (and the actual /dev/v4l/video0 that /dev/video0 is a symlink to) as a user. Suggestions? I didn't seem to have this problem on my last setup... derek -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 36: "Consult other sources -promising -unpromising" --__--__-- Message: 2 Cc: pd mailing list From: 0001 <0001(a)ooo000ooo.org> Subject: Re: [PD] compiling (adding objs to) GEM on OS X-- seeking advice Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 12:32:32 +0100 To: zack you should try the gem-dev list http://iem.at/mailinglists/gem-dev/2005-02/005992.html . g El 18/02/2005, a las 0:51, zack escribi=F3: > I would like to compile some additional GEM objects for OS X. Has=20 > anyone out there done this? > I assume that doing so requires setting up a compilable version of=20= > GEM on my Mac OS X machine first. > This is where I could use a hand, knowing where to find gem-lib for OS=20= > X, and how to go about getting it all to compile. > > Any advice, or links would be appreciated. > > --Zack Settel > > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management ->=20 > http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list > --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Davide Morelli" To: "derek holzer" Cc: "PD list" Subject: R: [PD] v4l permissions Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:41:20 +0100 you can try editing /etc/security/console.perms find and modify the v4l group ciao, davide. > -----Messaggio originale----- > Da: pd-list-admin(a)iem.at [mailto:pd-list-admin@iem.at]Per conto di derek > holzer > Inviato: domenica 20 febbraio 2005 7.21 > A: pd-list > Oggetto: [PD] v4l permissions > > > Can anybody help me work out how to automatically set permissions for my > video4linux USB webcam device. If I modprobe "pwc" as root, it loads > fine, but I still have to manually set permissions for myself to access > /dev/video0 (and the actual /dev/v4l/video0 that /dev/video0 is a > symlink to) as a user. Suggestions? I didn't seem to have this problem > on my last setup... > > derek > > -- > derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl > ---Oblique Strategy # 36: > "Consult other sources > -promising > -unpromising" > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list > --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "manuel knapp" To: "pdlist" Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:15:59 +0100 Subject: [PD] pdrc file This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C5175F.15519FD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable can anybody tell me how to create .pdrc file in osx? thanx ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C5175F.15519FD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=3Diso-8859-1"> can anybody tell me how to create = .pdrc file=20 in osx? thanx ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C5175F.15519FD0-- --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Thomas Ouellet Fredericks" To: "manuel knapp" , "pdlist" Subject: Re: [PD] pdrc file Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 11:44:27 -0500 1) Create a TEXT file NOT a RTF file. 2) Type all your options in it (ex: -lib Gem) 3) Save it in your home directory as pdrc 4) open a terminal window (in the terminal window, you should already be in your home directory, if not type ~) 5) type mv pdrc .pdrc Done Step 5 changes the name of the file pdrc to .pdrc pdrc will become invisible You can also download a os x tool to view invisible files if you do not want to use the terminal Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: manuel knapp To: pdlist Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 9:15 AM Subject: [PD] pdrc file can anybody tell me how to create .pdrc file in osx? thanx --__--__-- Message: 6 From: To: Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:28:40 -0500 Subject: [PD] touch pad is there a way to use the touchpad of a laptop in pd? maybe as a pressure sesitive something or other.. I searched for the properties of it on my dell, and couldn't find anything. -Robert --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Thomas Ouellet Fredericks" To: , Subject: Re: [PD] touch pad Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:14:54 -0500 Do you have a synaptics touchpad and run XP? Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 6:28 PM Subject: [PD] touch pad > is there a way to use the touchpad of a laptop in pd? maybe as a pressure > sesitive something or other.. I searched for the properties of it on my > dell, and couldn't find anything. > -Robert > > > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list > --__--__-- Message: 8 From: To: CC: Subject: RE: [PD] touch pad Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:22:13 -0500 i am using windows XP, but I can't find any properties or drivers that tell me the brand of the touchpad -robert -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Ouellet Fredericks [mailto:iamonthebeach@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 7:15 PM To: robertgarvin(a)bellsouth.net; pd-list(a)iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] touch pad Do you have a synaptics touchpad and run XP? Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 6:28 PM Subject: [PD] touch pad > is there a way to use the touchpad of a laptop in pd? maybe as a pressure > sesitive something or other.. I searched for the properties of it on my > dell, and couldn't find anything. > -Robert > > > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list > --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Thomas Ouellet Fredericks" To: Cc: Subject: Re: [PD] touch pad Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:51:27 -0500 Check under : control panel / system / hardware tab/ device manager/ mice and other pointing devices It has to say something like : Synaptics ps/2 port pointing device. If you do have a synaptics, install the proper drivers and then try my experimental external: http://ciam.dyndns.org/~vitamin/danslchamp/lpn/travaux/synaptics.zip Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 7:22 PM Subject: RE: [PD] touch pad >i am using windows XP, but I can't find any properties or drivers that >tell me the brand of the touchpad > -robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Ouellet Fredericks [mailto:iamonthebeach@hotmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 7:15 PM > To: robertgarvin(a)bellsouth.net; pd-list(a)iem.at > Subject: Re: [PD] touch pad > > Do you have a synaptics touchpad and run XP? > > Tom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 6:28 PM > Subject: [PD] touch pad > > >> is there a way to use the touchpad of a laptop in pd? maybe as a pressure >> sesitive something or other.. I searched for the properties of it on my >> dell, and couldn't find anything. >> -Robert >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list > --__--__-- Message: 10 From: To: CC: Subject: Re: [PD] touch pad Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:12:49 -0500 ok... it doesn't say "Synaptics ps/2 port pointing device." here's the deal: I have a touchpad in the standard spot, and a lil blue nub in the middle of my keyboard, that's also a mouse. then I have a kensington mouse to make life easier. I have also used a small micro-mini optical mouse (micro innovations) for use in class, but it's not hooked up. I looked in the device manager, and this is what I found: |->Kensington HID Mouse*in*a*Box Optical Elite |->Kensington PS/2 Mouse Driver so that's what I've found. I'm gonna try and see if your external will work. Thanks for your help, Robert -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Ouellet Fredericks [mailto:iamonthebeach@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 7:51 PM To: robertgarvin(a)bellsouth.net Cc: pd-list(a)iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] touch pad Check under : control panel / system / hardware tab/ device manager/ mice and other pointing devices It has to say something like : Synaptics ps/2 port pointing device. If you do have a synaptics, install the proper drivers and then try my experimental external: http://ciam.dyndns.org/~vitamin/danslchamp/lpn/travaux/synaptics.zip Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 7:22 PM Subject: RE: [PD] touch pad >i am using windows XP, but I can't find any properties or drivers that >tell me the brand of the touchpad > -robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Ouellet Fredericks [mailto:iamonthebeach@hotmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 7:15 PM > To: robertgarvin(a)bellsouth.net; pd-list(a)iem.at > Subject: Re: [PD] touch pad > > Do you have a synaptics touchpad and run XP? > > Tom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 6:28 PM > Subject: [PD] touch pad > > >> is there a way to use the touchpad of a laptop in pd? maybe as a pressure >> sesitive something or other.. I searched for the properties of it on my >> dell, and couldn't find anything. >> -Robert >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list > --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:18:26 -0500 From: Andres Cabrera To: king s CC: pd-list(a)iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] pd on xp Hi, Does a DOS window appear momentarily and then close? If so, you may have a problem with an installer being designed for english XP operation system. You can fix the problem going to the directory where pd is intalled and modify the pd.bat file to point to the correct place where pd.exe is located. Cheers, Andres king s wrote: > hi! > > i have a problem...iÅ½ve worked with pd and anythhing was ok.then iÅ½ve > installed my windows xp for new.then iÅ½ve downloaded and installed the > newest version of pd.now i start the pd.exe and nothing happen...i can > see the pd.exe and wish84.exe in my taskmanager but only there.the > process is runnig but i dont see anything of the program interface or > something. > shit ...i donÅ½t know why or what > please help me to get my pd to run > thanks > manuel knapp --__--__-- Message: 12 To: pd-list(a)iem.at From: Julian Peterson Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:37:15 -0500 Subject: [PD] configure error: 0.38-2 osx I put up a post recently that might have been a bit confusing because jack was written in the subject line (although thanks to all of you who responded). My problem is not using pd with jack (yet). I'm having trouble getting pd's configure script to find my installed tcl/tk libraries. I've got Tcl/Tk 8.4 installed in the standard /Library/Frameworks/Tcl.framework and ./Tk.framework (Batteries Included Installer...), yet running ./configure (ignoring jack for now) fails with: checking tcl.h usability... yes checking tcl.h presence... yes checking for tcl.h... yes checking for main in -ltcl8.7... no ... checking for main in -ltcl8.4... yes checking for main in -ltk8.7... no ... checking for main in -ltk8.4... no ... no tk library found configure: creating ./config.status config.status: creating makefile Anyone else experience this? Know a good workaround? The only thing I can think of that might be confusing this that I have tcl/tk installed as part of the fink collection as well, although if I remove the fink version of tcl/tk it has no effect on my present difficulties with PD. Thanks again... I'm an avid user of PD (have been for over a year now) but am not a programmer at all, so I hope this isn't something *too* obvious.... -Julian Peterson --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Thomas Ouellet Fredericks" To: "Thomas Ouellet Fredericks" , Cc: Subject: Re: [PD] touch pad Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:57:33 -0500 oh yeah, you have to boot your system without the external mouse. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Ouellet Fredericks" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [PD] touch pad > Check under : control panel / system / hardware tab/ device manager/ mice > and other pointing devices > > It has to say something like : Synaptics ps/2 port pointing device. > > If you do have a synaptics, install the proper drivers and then try my > experimental external: > > http://ciam.dyndns.org/~vitamin/danslchamp/lpn/travaux/synaptics.zip > > Tom > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 7:22 PM > Subject: RE: [PD] touch pad > > >>i am using windows XP, but I can't find any properties or drivers that >>tell me the brand of the touchpad >> -robert >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Thomas Ouellet Fredericks [mailto:iamonthebeach@hotmail.com] >> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 7:15 PM >> To: robertgarvin(a)bellsouth.net; pd-list(a)iem.at >> Subject: Re: [PD] touch pad >> >> Do you have a synaptics touchpad and run XP? >> >> Tom >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 6:28 PM >> Subject: [PD] touch pad >> >> >>> is there a way to use the touchpad of a laptop in pd? maybe as a >>> pressure >>> sesitive something or other.. I searched for the properties of it on my >>> dell, and couldn't find anything. >>> -Robert >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>> http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list >>> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list > --__--__-- _______________________________________________ PD-list mailing list PD-list(a)iem.at to manage your subscription (including un-subscription) see http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list End of PD-list Digest --------------------------------- 250MB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo AbrÃ tu cuenta aquÃ

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Pd-list February 2005